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I'm just going to agree with everything Jamon says about this film. lol
I couldnt agree more with all of this, the epic journey from birth into being accepted on earth as their champion is just amazing, and all the little things in between really make the journey hard fought but totally worth it.
In this regard, I love the priest scene as well, the dialogue in it just perfect and then the switch from "Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith, the trust part comes later" to Superman floating in front of the army out in public in his suit for the 1st time is just amazing stuff. Stuff like this is why the movie is a lot cleverer than people give it credit for.
Tru dat !
I'm just going to agree with everything Jamon says about this film. lol
preaching to the choir my friend. Man of Steel is honestly my favourite film ever, everytime I watch it I get something new from it. Its just such an amazing ride from start to finish.
Here's a hypothetical type of question...IF Zod had located Kal-el on Earth during his teenage years, before Clark had gone through a majority of his development, do you guys think that zod would have been able to break through to the younger Clark and get him to see his way of things? Or do you guys think Clark would have still rejected Zod's offer?
^That would have been interesting to see, but the way it happened in the movie was just great, I actually think before the part in the dream sequence Zod tells the humans will be no more, Kal-El was warming a little to Zod.
Had Zod tried this on a teenage Clark things might have been different, I dont think he had the appreciation for mankind as a teen he did as an adult.
t:I have been telling you for years to listen me Spidey!
Yeah I sensed he may have started to trust a little, or at the very least think he could talk to him. I think if there were any lingering doubts after, when Zod revealed he had killed Jor El that was it for Clark.
It seemed that he became more distanced from humanity as time went on, when he was required to move around, not being able to maintain any strong ties/relationships, etc, so I think it was more tempting as an adult, if anything.
On the other hand, teens tend to be more sensitive about feeling different and he might have been subjected to bullying more often.
Hard to say.
Hmm...I did notice that, but I didn't see it that way. It's an interesting way to view it, KW, and I could see Snyder doing something visual like that.I said this once a long time ago, but did you guys notice the part when CK is riding his bike, at the end of the movie, they make the tie flapping in the wind the focal point in that frame? It's like CK's tie represents Superman's cape, if that makes sense.
Also, I like how they took a different route when it came to the presentation of their final shot from the film.
Every Superman film before this one always ended with superman smiling at the camera while flying away in space...However this one, we do see him smiling, though not as Superman and not flying away. Here we see him smiling as Clark Kent and towards a person as opposed to the audience.
Agreed...
Another thing that I wanted to ask everyone here is this.
Do you guys think "Man of Steel" is, in some ways, for Superman on what Tim Burton's "Batman" was for the character?
I mean when I think about it, there are some similarities between the two films.
While the lead up into "Man of Steel" was nowhere as big like the "Batmania" phenomenon that took place back then, there were nevertheless A LOT of HIGH EXPECTATIONS and enthusiasm for Snyder's film after the public/fans had been exposed to the film's trailers.
Another thing is that I think both films suffered from dividing quite a few people regarding their opinions about it, with critics from both films lamenting on how they thought that it was "too dark" in some areas for the two films.
Plus, in these films...they not only had their main antagonists (Joker and Zod) be responsible for the deaths of their respective fathers, but they also had the heroes kill off their respective villains which led to much criticism.
Any thoughts?
That's an interesting question, Herolee. I have to admit I don't remember a lot of controversy surrounding Burton's Batman. I was in middle school, so I really just remember loving the film. In hindsight, I can see why there was controversy. People probably were comparing it to the fun-loving Adam West movie and series, and it was nothing like that. One controversy I do remember among Batman fans is most were upset because the Joker was the same person who shot Bruce's parents, and they didn't like that because it went against canon. They also didn't like the fact Bats "killed" him at the end, but again I was too young to remember it being more than just nitpicks and gripes.
Honestly, I didn't really know there was a lot of high expectations for MOS. In comparison to the fervor for SR, people were excited there was a new film, but I don't remember people being as excited as that. Speaking only for myself, I was a bit fatigued and put-off with WB after the failure of SR. I had very low expectations for MOS, and I imagine anyone who was in my boat felt the same.
I'm just going to agree with everything Jamon says about this film. lol
Agreed...
Another thing that I wanted to ask everyone here is this.
Do you guys think "Man of Steel" is, in some ways, for Superman on what Tim Burton's "Batman" was for the character?
I mean when I think about it, there are some similarities between the two films.
While the lead up into "Man of Steel" was nowhere as big like the "Batmania" phenomenon that took place back then, there were nevertheless A LOT of HIGH EXPECTATIONS and enthusiasm for Snyder's film after the public/fans had been exposed to the film's trailers.
Another thing is that I think both films suffered from dividing quite a few people regarding their opinions about it, with critics from both films lamenting on how they thought that it was "too dark" in some areas for the two films.
Plus, in these films...they not only had their main antagonists (Joker and Zod) be responsible for the deaths of their respective fathers, but they also had the heroes kill off their respective villains which led to much criticism.
Any thoughts?
Personally, I see MOS as more of the Batman Begins of Superman.
The Superman films that preceded it had run the character into the ground
- I have NO idea how Superman returns got a better critical response than MOS, just shows how influential the original SMTM was, it's like it's greatness coloured everyone's perception of Superman films, and what they should be like.
In the same way Schumacher's interpretation had destroyed the credibility of Batman onscreen, The Quest for Peace, and Superman returns had ruined Superman's movie mojo.
Batman Begins restored Batman's mojo. MOS was incredibly divisive, but I suspect that division is more reflected in the critical response ( and critics aren't necessarily fans). I haven't spoken to any who are real Superman fans who didn't like MOS - they may prefer the Donner films, but none of them thought that MOS got Superman wrong.
I was 18, I think when Burton's Batman came out, I remember the people criticizing it's dark feel were certainly in the vast minority. People really embraced the most serious tone, and I think that made Nolan's revival effort with BB much easier.
Maybe if Bryan Singer's Superman returns had been an action packed epic, with a slightly darker tone than Quest for Peace.....instead of the insipid, boring piece of **** that it was, then MOS would have had an easier time appealing to the wider public. Apologies to those of you who liked SR,
it's just IMO, but I nearly walked out of that film.
Peace out Super-fans !
Jamon knows his stuff.
One thing I'm sure made it so divisive was because this wasn't the Chris Reeve Superman the critics had loved and unlike Batman we had never gotten to move on from the popular past incarnation (in Batman's case Adam West). The critics loved Superman Returns so much I believe because they fell in love with the Nostalgia of it all. So when they saw Man of Steel and it was a different Superman, I think that threw them for a loop. You see with Batman it crashed ad burned with B&R yet with Superman while the last Chris Reeve film sucked he didn't and the love never faded for him.Superman Returns didn't help when it was done as a love letter to Donner's version.
So I really think it was down to a case of having never moved on. I think there needed to be a different take before Man of Steel say in the 90s for critics to look at this more objectively.
Also it's a Sci-Fi film and these tend to divide opinion. Its a really strange genre. You can also add to this alot if critics don't like Snyder.