Apocalypse The LUCAS TILL / ALEXANDER SUMMERS discussion thread - "We have to call him Havok"

[The Infernal]

Depends of their ages and how long they've been a group. I could see Cyclops at least still pretty capable at hand to hand, but still a rookie in many ways and looks to Xavier for guidance most of the time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They probably wouldn't go with the idea their powers wouldn't effect each other since it's hard to believe if either got hit by each other's blast that it wouldn't do anything

 

[kasjan]

In comic it was both red blast:

 

[The Infernal]

Could just explain that their powers are on the same 'wavelength' and cancel each other out when the blasts hit or whatever psuedo-science bs that sounds better than brothers being immune to each others blasts that can somehow rip apart buildings, but not them. That way you could still have them trying to blast each other pointlessly before they figure out that won't work and start fighting hand to hand.

 

[ciscostudent561]

They're mot immune just because...
Cyke and Havok both blasst powers from the same dimensions and as being tunnels for that source they must be immune as channels. Therefore they are immune from themselves

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

They don't have to be enemies

 

[GuestStar2004]

I can see their powers cancelling each other out in that same way iceman and pyro did in X3 but I don't there powers not having some effect on each other, like in movie physics I could only imagine they would feel the punch of each other's powers blasting them into walls and whatever and not be like water off a ducks back for them as that could work in the comics and cartoons but could look silly on live action

 

[Duran Man]

I think it would be more interesting for them to be immune to each other's powers so that they have to resort to fisticuffs.

 

[GuestStar2004]

when they both have powers like that id think they would want to play with their powers then have them fight with fits

Not that it would be odd for a 16 year old to fight someone over 29 year old

 

[ciscostudent561]

But it does fit the physics of the nature of their powers. For th3m to channel the energy they must be immune in the firsr place.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But it might not look very convincing on screen, even if it doesn't actually harm each other you have to have something when one gets hit with a beam, although I can see their powers cancelling each other out and creating some... Havok!

Let's be honest you don't have Havok as a horseman so he fights with his fist, no its for the effects, even if Scott wasn't only 16 compared to Alex they will likely want to play with there powers in cool ways, it's like having storm fight psylocke in a fist fight... Then people will say that was boring and storm did nothing cool with her powers ect ect

 

[ciscostudent561]

I grt wha ur saying. j dont even want him to be a horseman. The only thing I disagree with is the power playing. Alex was obviously bothered by his lack of control before he met Xavier
There is no way hes finding it cool to boom his brother

 

[GuestStar2004]

Depends what they have planned for Havok, I think Havok as a horseman would be good because his powers are destructive and very similar to Scott's so to put them on opposite sides would make for an interesting twist

As for why Havok would do that? No idea, brainwashing? If not brainwashing then maybe something happens in them 10 years? Either way we will see, maybe he ain't a horseman

 

[Duran Man]

But it might not look very convincing on screen, even if it doesn't actually harm each other you have to have something when one gets hit with a beam, although I can see their powers can cancelling each other out and creating some... Havok!

Let's be honest you don't hav Havok as a horseman so he fights with his fist, no its for the effects, even if Scott wasn't only 16 compared to Alex they will likely want to play with there powers in cool ways, it's like havint storm fight psylocke in a fist fight... Then people will say that was boring and storm did nothing cool with her powers ect ect

He doesn't have to fight just Scott. There are others who will surely be hurt by his powers, and there could be time for showing their powers against each other and time for fisticuffs.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Surely it's stands out as more personal if it's with Scott though? And you can be more creative with Scott vs Havok because of how similar there powers are

Like X2 cyclops blasting Jean or iceman vs pyro in X3

 

[Duran Man]

Surely it's stands out as more personal if it's with Scott though? And you can be more creative with Scott vs Havok because of how similar there powers are

Like X2 cyclops blasting Jean or iceman vs pyro in X3

Of course. Just saying that if Havok is a Horseman, Scott may not be the only character he fights.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That is true

 

[ciscostudent561]

The Xmen to me have always been glass canons. Especially this team. Only defensive powers lie with NC and potentially Jean and even less Storm. So yeah to see them fight totally destructive beings should be interesting

 

[The Infernal]

They don't have to be enemies

No, but it makes for an interesting opportunities if Havok comes back as a Horseman (preferably brainwashed).

They're mot immune just because...
Cyke and Havok both blasst powers from the same dimensions and as being tunnels for that source they must be immune as channels. Therefore they are immune from themselves

Yeah, but what I said actually makes sense though. lol

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Psyched he's back. Really old he's Scotts Uncle or older brother and they share scenes together

 

[CyclopsSummers]

The problem is that Havok must be more than 35 years old. (older than Psylocke or Angel or Gambit) whereas Lucas Till is a bit younger

 

[GuestStar2004]

I hope Havok is scotts older brother, it was done in the ultimate comics so I don't see why not and as for the age gap yeah it's abit wide and will probably take some calculating but it's certainly possible they could be brothers

 

[X-Maniac]

Could just explain that their powers are on the same 'wavelength' and cancel each other out when the blasts hit or whatever psuedo-science bs that sounds better than brothers being immune to each others blasts that can somehow rip apart buildings, but not them. That way you could still have them trying to blast each other pointlessly before they figure out that won't work and start fighting hand to hand.

Yes, I like that. It happens with music - two identical frequencies aimed at each other will cancel out, which is why speakers have to be pointed in the right direction in a nightclub. If not, then frequencies will collide and cancel out. It's called phase cancellation.

Nightclub DJs (I used to be one) make use of that science when they overlay two copies of the same song so they are playing the same music at the same time - the partial cancellation produces a sort of electronic-sounding airplane effect which is called 'phasing'...

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope they make him look older and bulkier.

 

[Super Jim]

For the whole power don't affect each other thing:



they'd have to inform the general audience that they are related. Otherwise it's stupid that these specific two just happen to have powers that each is immune to.

But I still can't see them making 40 year old Havok 18 year old Scott's brother.

I know, I know, there are families out there where there are siblings who are 20 years apart, but that's not very common. It's much more likely, IMO, that they would make Havok Scott's Uncle or possibly even (man I would hate this) his father!

If the rumor of Havok being in this movie is true I'm starting to get worried about what they might do!