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[Venom 1988]

I think like DS1, a lot of these teases would be eXplored or eXpanded later on, but like DS1, it took them so long to feature Baron Mardo again and he was killed by Wanda off screen.

That was in a deleted scene for a reason. And given the dialogue Strange has later in the movie, he acted as if Mordo's still alive. So I wouldn't treat a deleted scene as canon unless they confirm it later on.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

The TV stuff shouldn't be required viewing at all as most of the GA like a cinema trip here and there, all linked together, but watching a ton of shows fully thoughout the year is a bit too much homework. I think it's fine for the shows to assume the films are being watched but not the other way round. Even many Marvel fans here are nowhere near up to date on the shows.

Yeah I feel like they took it too far after fans demanded a connection to the shows. They need to figure out a way to make the shows more of a supplemental thing, without it being as disconnected as the Netflix shows were. There has to be a more ideal balance somewhere in the middle.

The movie-only audience should never be in a position where they feel like they missed part of the story. There are just way too many movie-only viewers for it to be worth alienating them like that.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah I feel like they took it too far after fans demanded a connection to the shows. They need to figure out a way to make the shows more of a supplemental thing, without it being as disconnected as the Netflix shows were. There has to be a more ideal balance somewhere in the middle.

The movie-only audience should never be in a position where they feel like they missed part of the story. There are just way too many movie-only viewers for it to be worth alienating them like that.

The connection should be important one way and the movies should always be prioritised as that's where this MCU kingdom was built. The shows should be top quality supporting material for people who want to delve deeper but big story elements affecting the wider universe should be either kept to the films, or covered again in the films so that the bulk of the GA doesn't feel like they're missing things and as a result feel disconnected from the overall narrative. And viewers certainly shouldn't be expected to watch all the shows as that's just too much combined time for anyone but the craziest fans who have the time to see them all.

 

[Lip]

WandaVision was pretty great as a post Endgame project. It was further exploring her as a character, exploring themes like grief and making her come to terms with her loss.

But tying that with MoM was a massive mistake.

 

[Drizzle]

WandaVision was pretty great as a post Endgame project. It was further exploring her as a character, exploring themes like grief and making her come to terms with her loss.

But tying that with MoM was a massive mistake.

By that do you mean making Wanda a villain in MoM was a mistake or just having it connected at all was a mistake?

 

[Lip]

By that do you mean making Wanda a villain in MoM was a mistake or just having it connected at all was a mistake?

Both...?

Making her a villain or connecting it to MoM wasn't necessarily wrong, but the execution was.

 

[Iceman]

MoM would have been a great What If for me. And then we get the Wanda who hasn’t gone too far back to team up with Strange in the real world.

 

[Drizzle]

Both...?

Making her a villain or connecting it to MoM wasn't necessarily wrong, but the execution was.

Although I liked MoM, I felt like they could have done more with the execution too.

 

[Lip]

I feel like there's a big piece of the puzzle missing.

If you didn't watch the show, there's a big jump from Endgame's Wanda to MoM's Wanda. And if you did, there's a big jump there too, because the whole point was Wanda coming to terms with her loss.

And people can't put it on magic to explain it. Magic doesn't replace character development. Tolkien and Claremont developed Frodo and Jean Grey to corrupt them.

 

[psylockolussus]

Loki’s Sophia Di Martino Wants to See Sylvie in an MCU Movie

Loki’s Sophia Di Martino says she's hopeful that Sylvie's journey could continue in a future MCU movie or two.

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Do you want Sylvie in a mcu movie? I don't.

The only thing I would keep from the Loki series, is the ending. With Hiddleson as the only actor returning for a MCU film (Secret Wars or Dynasty)

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I feel like there's a big piece of the puzzle missing.

If you didn't watch the show, there's a big jump from Endgame's Wanda to MoM's Wanda. And if you did, there's a big jump there too, because the whole point was Wanda coming to terms with her loss.

And people can't put it on magic to explain it. Magic doesn't replace character development. Tolkien and Claremont developed Frodo and Jean Grey to corrupt them.

Well, it definitely doesn't help that they had Wanda's personality drastically change because of some magic book. But at least watching WandaVision shows us how she got the book, how it's connected to her, and what led up to her using it.


For movie-only viewers it's like "oh yeah she got some magic book off screen and now she's evil, uh oh".

 

[DyeLorean]

That's the problem with having interconnected plot points from tv shows and movies. I actually really like Multiverse of Madness but it's true that the movie can't compete with the several hours of character development from WandaVision. The movie has a limited amount of time and that was "Wanda is now evil" and it was very loosely tied to the show (-I know I made mistakes... -No, I'm not here about WestView -Oh ok).
The movie felt like a smaller book-end to her story.
I really can't imagine what people who didn't watch the show think about the whole thing with her children. That must've been a big WTF.

 

[psylockolussus]

WandaVision was a required viewing for Multiverse of Madness. I still find it as an entertaining film, with the Scarlet Witch as its biggest flaw.

I hope Doctor Strange and Clea in the Dark Dimension of Madness would be much better, is on track for 2026.

 

[Kev4000]

Both...?

Making her a villain or connecting it to MoM wasn't necessarily wrong, but the execution was.

This! Let her team up with Strange for 50 % of the movie and then she see a chance / get the offer to get her kids back. It had the chance to be a Magic Civil War, but instead they turned Wanda into a horror movie monster..

 

[Primal Slayer]

Both...?

Making her a villain or connecting it to MoM wasn't necessarily wrong, but the execution was.

The fact that the two teams had no idea what was going on with one another still surprises me. How did Feige even let that happen

 

[Iceman]

The fact that the two teams had no idea what was going on with one another still surprises me. How did Feige even let that happen

You'd hope it was working exactly the opposite way. Seems very dumb having a connected universe with projects unaware of what each other are doing with the same characters.

 

[Drizzle]

Loki’s Sophia Di Martino Wants to See Sylvie in an MCU Movie

Loki’s Sophia Di Martino says she's hopeful that Sylvie's journey could continue in a future MCU movie or two.

www.superherohype.com

Do you want Sylvie in a mcu movie? I don't.

The only thing I would keep from the Loki series, is the ending. With Hiddleson as the only actor returning for a MCU film (Secret Wars or Dynasty)

I wouldn't mind seeing Sylvie in an MCU movie outside of any assumed appearances in Avengers movies. Thor 5 would probably make the most sense.

 

[Iceman]

WandaVision was a required viewing for Multiverse of Madness. I still find it as an entertaining film, with the Scarlet Witch as its biggest flaw.

I hope Doctor Strange and Clea in the Dark Dimension of Madness would be much better, is on track for 2026.

If Charlize Theron is in any way up for this/engaged then she can be a huge boost to it. I thought she looked pretty good too in the post-credit scene too.

 

[Iceman]

I wouldn't mind seeing Sylvie in an MCU movie outside of any assumed appearances in Avengers movies. Thor 5 would probably make the most sense.

I didn't think her season 2 material was as good but she had a real edge in season 1. Would definitely like to see her again.

 

[MadVillainy]

I thought Theron looked like cheap cosplay in MoM

And it certainly is a choice introducing her in a throw away mid credit stinger (that also overrides the actual ending of the movie)

 

[Drizzle]

I didn't think her season 2 material was as good but she had a real edge in season 1. Would definitely like to see her again.

Yeah, after the midway point of season 2 she was kind of just along for the ride but that could be said for everyone except Hiddleston since he really took the reins those last couple of episodes.

 

[DyeLorean]

I thought Theron looked like cheap cosplay in MoM

And it certainly is a choice introducing her in a throw away mid credit stinger (that also overrides the actual ending of the movie)

Absolutely terrible. It was like a parody of Marvel's post credits scenes. Literally this:

 

[Iceman]

Absolutely terrible. It was like a parody of Marvel's post credits scenes. Literally this:

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Pretty accurate. Worked fine in the old days as that scene would be paid off soon after and we would find out what significance Blorko held. Now it’s just pointless for the GA who don’t spend the next few years discussing CBMs daily.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Plus, phase 1-3 teases always clearly showed the main draw of any new characters they revealed in the post credits. Nick Fury is a government guy putting together a team of superheroes. Cool, sign me up for some of that superhero teamup action. Thanos is an alien mastermind behind the Chitauri invasion who is manipulating events from afar. Cool, I wanna see what this guy is planning next. Hydra used Loki's staff to experiment on a bunch of people and the only two survivors are a pair of twins with super speed and telekinesis. Cool, let's see what they can do.

Whereas I literally have no idea why Thanos suddenly has a brother (who looks and acts nothing like him) or why I should care. I have no idea who purple sword lady is or what she has to do with anything. When BW came out I had no idea who Val was and why she was lying about Hawkeye (actually I'm still not sure what her deal is). And while I'm familiar with Hercules from Greek myth, as far as the MCU goes I have no idea what kind of story he would be involved in or why I should care. Heck, even with Beast, even though I'm excited to see the character, I still have no idea what will happen with him.

 

[Iceman]

Plus, phase 1-3 teases always clearly showed the main draw of any new characters they revealed in the post credits. Nick Fury is a government guy putting together a team of superheroes. Cool, sign me up for some of that superhero teamup action. Thanos is an alien mastermind behind the Chitauri invasion who is manipulating events from afar. Cool, I wanna see what this guy is planning next. Hydra used Loki's staff to experiment on a bunch of people and the only two survivors are a pair of twins with super speed and telekinesis. Cool, let's see what they can do.

Whereas I literally have no idea why Thanos suddenly has a brother (who looks and acts nothing like him) or why I should care. I have no idea who purple sword lady is or what she has to do with anything. When BW came out I had no idea who Val was and why she was lying about Hawkeye (actually I'm still not sure what her deal is). And while I'm familiar with Hercules from Greek myth, as far as the MCU goes I have no idea what kind of story he would be involved in or why I should care. Heck, even with Beast, even though I'm excited to see the character, I still have no idea what will happen with him.

It's painful as the credit scenes were a unique MCU selling point that helped build excitement for what came next. They've definitely dropped the ball with them, expecting audiences to think they're great when they are likely to have no idea what they're looking at with no explanation on the horizon. A shame that now even if they do good scenes going forward, people might not be around to see them anymore.