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Black Panther was a commercial and critical success. Captain Marvel was very financially successful as well.
None of these movies even had a all black cast or all female cast either so I don't know what Petltz is rambling about.
 
It only seems foolish because of all the delays and the suprising success of the MCU. Had they been able to release the movie years earlier (let's say before 2012), we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Let's be real: Ant-Man only happened because of Edgar Wright. Had he not come to them and developed the earlier version of that movie, Ant-Man never gets a solo film and ends up at best a supporting character somewhere else.
 
Let's be real: Ant-Man only happened because of Edgar Wright. Had he not come to them and developed the earlier version of that movie, Ant-Man never gets a solo film and ends up at best a supporting character somewhere else.
I'm not sure about that they seemed to be going for the Avengers version 1.0. Only Ant-Man and the Wasp were tied up in a pre MCU deal. With Scarlett Witch's rights in limbo due to the X-Men rights being sold they had to dig a bit deeper to get a first female Avenger to add with Captain America and Hawkeye.

Just as an aside I was sure going into The Ant-Man and The Wasp that one of those Wasp and one of those Ant-Men would survive the blip to give us the First Five Avengers in Endgame.
 
Let's be real: Ant-Man only happened because of Edgar Wright. Had he not come to them and developed the earlier version of that movie, Ant-Man never gets a solo film and ends up at best a supporting character somewhere else.
Oh I agree. That's why I said on the previous page had he never been attached, I don't think there would have been an Ant-Man movie in the first place. At best, he would have been in a similar situation as Black Widow or Hawkeye where maybe he gets a movie/show but it's much further down the line.
 
Oh I agree. That's why I said on the previous page had he never been attached, I don't think there would have been an Ant-Man movie in the first place. At best, he would have been in a similar situation as Black Widow or Hawkeye where maybe he gets a movie/show but it's much further down the line.
So for a classic reference Ant-Man and The Wasp would have been like the Professor and Mary Ann 0on Gilligan's Island "the rest". I guess you could say that is what Black Widow and Hawkeye were.
 
So for a classic reference Ant-Man and The Wasp would have been like the Professor and Mary Ann 0on Gilligan's Island "the rest". I guess you could say that is what Black Widow and Hawkeye were.
Not sure what you are trying to get at, but I'm not saying it's a good thing. Im just saying that was probably the likelyhood given the reality of the situation with the people involved (like Ike). The reason why Iron Man was the first movie out of the gate was because Marvel ran kid focus groups i to see which characters would be the most appealing to play with as a toy and Iron Man was the number 1 pick (with Hulk as the runner up).
 
Not sure what you are trying to get at, but I'm not saying it's a good thing. Im just saying that was probably the likelyhood given the reality of the situation with the people involved (like Ike). The reason why Iron Man was the first movie out of the gate was because Marvel ran kid focus groups i to see which characters would be the most appealing to play with as a toy and Iron Man was the number 1 pick (with Hulk as the runner up).
Plus how could you lose with Downy Jr. at the helm? :) He was perfect.
 
I've seen hints of it in some of their output, but thankfully none of its been extremely pervasive as of yet.
Please elaborate. Are you agreeing with a guy that says Marvel Studios should have made movies about white dudes instead of 2 movies that grossed a billion dollars?
 
Please elaborate. Are you agreeing with a guy that says Marvel Studios should have made movies about white dudes instead of 2 movies that grossed a billion dollars?
No, but I am saying I wouldn't want a movie where the whole cast is of one ethnicity, gender, or attitude...especially if they think they're entitled to everything because of it.

For example, when I first heard of "Black Panther", I was a little skeptical. I liked Chadwick Boseman in "Civil War", but wasn't sure if his role in the solo film would be arrogant or self-serving. Since Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis were the only white members of the cast, I was worried the writers would have T'Challa blame them for all of Wakanda's problems...but thankfully, they didn't go that route.
 
No, but I am saying I wouldn't want a movie where the whole cast is of one ethnicity, gender, or attitude...especially if they think they're entitled to everything because of it.

For example, when I first heard of "Black Panther", I was a little skeptical. I liked Chadwick Boseman in "Civil War", but wasn't sure if his role in the solo film would be arrogant or self-serving. Since Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis were the only white members of the cast, I was worried the writers would have T'Challa blame them for all of Wakanda's problems...but thankfully, they didn't go that route.
Would you be saying the same thing if the entire principal cast was white? What entitles a cast and crew to be entirely comprised of white people?
 
Not to dwell on the Ant-Man discussion but I wonder if the post-Secret Wars soft reboot rumor is true, if they'll use that as an opportunity to recast Hank and Janet with younger actors that are contemporaries with the likes Reed Richards. I can't see Rudd and Lily sticking around for too much longer and introducing a younger variant of Hank Pym works if they want some variation of Ant-Man to be around.
 
Would you be saying the same thing if the entire principal cast was white? What entitles a cast and crew to be entirely comprised of white people?
No one deserves to have an entitlement mindset, regardless of their skin tone, cultural background, or anything else. But the fact remains that most people in the USA are white, and the majority of movies made by Hollywood reflect that.
 
No one deserves to have an entitlement mindset, regardless of their skin tone, cultural background, or anything else. But the fact remains that most people in the USA are white, and the majority of movies made by Hollywood reflect that.
And most of the movies made are geared toward white people. So why whine about the very small minority of them that are not? How many 200 million dollar blockbusters are made with a female or black audience in mind? Significantly less than white dudes.

We white people can deal with it
 
And most of the movies made are geared toward white people. So why whine about the very small minority of them that are not? How many 200 million dollar blockbusters are made with a female or black audience in mind? Significantly less than white dudes.

We white people can deal with it
Hey, I'm happy "Black Panther" made money - $1.349 billion on a $200 million budget. That's quite an accomplishment. But it could've very easily gone the other way, if the writers had made most of the characters into racist or PC stereotypes...and I'm glad they didn't.
 
No, but I am saying I wouldn't want a movie where the whole cast is of one ethnicity, gender, or attitude...especially if they think they're entitled to everything because of it.

For example, when I first heard of "Black Panther", I was a little skeptical. I liked Chadwick Boseman in "Civil War", but wasn't sure if his role in the solo film would be arrogant or self-serving. Since Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis were the only white members of the cast, I was worried the writers would have T'Challa blame them for all of Wakanda's problems...but thankfully, they didn't go that route.

What are you talking about? What movies are you referring to?
 
Not to dwell on the Ant-Man discussion but I wonder if the post-Secret Wars soft reboot rumor is true, if they'll use that as an opportunity to recast Hank and Janet with younger actors that are contemporaries with the likes Reed Richards. I can't see Rudd and Lily sticking around for too much longer and introducing a younger variant of Hank Pym works if they want some variation of Ant-Man to be around.
I’m beginning to wonder if they’ll reboot all of the Avengers. That way, the post Secret Wars MCU starts with new versions of the Avengers and the X-Men. The big question then would be what happens with Spider-Man?
 
Arrogant meaning what exactly? Arrogant like Tony Stark?


But why exactly is that your mindset before seeing the movie? What about that movie made you think that would be the case? Did you have similar thoughts before seeing The Avengers or The Winter Soldier? Movies where the cast is primiarily white?
Tony's arrogance, at least in the first film, was due to his wealth and his mistaken belief that he was untouchable. Being kidnapped and severely wounded by the Ten Rings proved him wrong on both counts, and started him on the path to change his ways.

As for the other films, I didn't worry about them, because they weren't made with the intention of making a racial statement or sending a political message. A small case could be made for "The First Avenger", since its largely set in World War 2...but most of the film correctly shows the Red Skull as a selfish power-mad dictator.
 
I’m beginning to wonder if they’ll reboot all of the Avengers. That way, the post Secret Wars MCU starts with new versions of the Avengers and the X-Men. The big question then would be what happens with Spider-Man?
All New, All Different Marvel has been the rumored template. So I'm expecting a hodgepodge of the current iterations of some characters continuing on with the multiverse being used to bring back the likes of Cap and Stark. I'm just not sure how that works continuity wise.
 
All New, All Different Marvel has been the rumored template. So I'm expecting a hodgepodge of the current iterations of some characters continuing on with the multiverse being used to bring back the likes of Cap and Stark. I'm just not sure how that works continuity wise.
I really hope they leave Cap and Tony alone - Downey and Evans perfectly embodied both. Its like hiring someone besides Mark Hamill for Luke Skywalker - people won't accept it.
 

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