the massive plothole thread

[LOBO3315a]

Actually it was quite clearly established in The Franchise Menace that she is quite a capable warrior when she lead the attack to retake the palace on Naboo.

I'll buy capable leader, but able to physically outperform a Jedi Knight, and his apprentice? I would think the only way she could do that is if she somehow was gifted with the Force, or neglected her diplomatic training to become a super-warrior.

 

[Thundarr]

Star Wars- I don't know if this is so much a plot hole, or a rather big lack of judgment on the Rebels' part. Luke Skywalker should have never been given an opportunity to join the fleet headed for the Death Star. He had no military training, slim amount of flying experience, and just met the Alliance. I understand they were desperate, but no commanding officer in their right mind would allow him to join. Not only was his life being put into risk, but so was everyone else's, since they had to trust their lives into a young, bright eyed kid, who nobody's ever seen before.

In a scene which was cut from the 1977 original version, but restored in the 1997 Special Edition, Luke's childhood friend Biggs vouches for him with the rebel commanders.

Commander: Skywalker! You think you can handle this ship?

Biggs: Sir, Luke here is the best bush pilot in The Outer Rim Territories.

Commander: You'll do fine.

Luke: Thank you sir. I'll try.

Also as noted earlier, the Rebel Alliance wasn't a true military organization. They were made up mostly of civilian volunteers. There were a few with military backgrounds, or at the very least peace keeping/security backgrounds, such as the Alderaan Royal Guard. And some were deserters from the Imperial Forces, like Han and Biggs. But for the most part they were made up of anyone willing to pick up a blaster and fight for their freedom.

 

[The Joker]

I love Spider-Man 2 very much, but two plot holes stand out:

1. It was a mega cool scene, but why did Doc Ock throw a car at Peter Parker when he needed him to find Spider-Man for him?

2. How did Harry know where to tell Spidey where Doc Ock's lair was?

 

[SuperFerret]

I love Spider-Man 2 very much, but two plot holes stand out:

1. It was a mega cool scene, but why did Doc Ock throw a car at Peter Parker when he needed him to find Spider-Man for him?

2. How did Harry know where to tell Spidey where Doc Ock's lair was?

There's a simple explanation for both of these. Otto is a SCIENTIST! and thus is far more awesome than a scientist, so he needs to make an entrance whereever he goes, and to let everyone know of his betentacled awesomosity, he leaves business cards everywhere, so Harry no doubt had at least 12 from the amount of times he and Otto interacted on screen.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.



The T-1000 had no living flesh and blood. It was made out of 100% mercury (or at least a mercury like metal). Therefore it never should have been able to travel back in time. If the time machine had been updated to allow nonliving matter to travel through time, then why did the terminators arrive in the present naked? And why didn't Arnie bring better weapons with him? And for that matter, why didn't the the T-1000?

The original idea was for the T-1000 to arrive in a flesh-covered cacoon. That's how it's explained in the novelization, as to how the T-1000 was able to go through. The idea wasn't shot though because they were worried it might confuse audiences.

The T-1000's arrival in T2 was purposefully shown off-screen and with good reason...

 

[Thundarr]

star wars: a new hope

it is clearly established the death star has the power to destroy planets, yet still the death star takes an ETERNITY to clear the moon of the rebel base planet giving the rebels time to blow up the death star...


why didn't the death star BLOW UP THE MOON and then the rebel base planet?

Technically the rebel base was on the moon and it was the planet that was in the way. And there are several plausable explanations as to why they didn't blow up the planet first. Maybe it was a gas giant and the laser wouldn't have affected it. Maybe if the laser were capable of igniting the gasses of a gas giant, the resulting explosion would have been enough to destroy the Death Star. Maybe it takes too long to recharge the main weapon and the wait would give the rebels the time they need to escape.

I think the bigger question is "How the hell did a damn space station follow so damn close behind the fastest ship in the galaxy?" Since when do space stations travel through hyperspace? And even if they could, how could one the size of a small moon manage it without tearing itself apart?

 

[Thundarr]

I'll buy capable leader, but able to physically outperform a Jedi Knight, and his apprentice? I would think the only way she could do that is if she somehow was gifted with the Force, or neglected her diplomatic training to become a super-warrior.

I never said she was a super-warrior, only a capable one. She was also the only one of the three who was 100% focused on not becoming lunch. Anikin and Obi-Wan were cracking wise as much as fighting for their lives.

Besides, we're talking the Star Wars prequels here. I could eat a box of Alphebits cereal and crap a better script than what George Lucas came up with.

 

[Thundarr]

The original idea was for the T-1000 to arrive in a flesh-covered cacoon. That's how it's explained in the novelization, as to how the T-1000 was able to go through. The idea wasn't shot though because they were worried it might confuse audiences.

The T-1000's arrival in T2 was purposefully shown off-screen and with good reason...

Well that fills the plothole in the novelization, but not in the movie itself. They should have inserted the information retroactively, like when Arnie had just saved John and was explaining that the T-1000 was made out of liquid metal. It should have gone something like this:

John: So this other guy's a terminator like you, right?

Arnie: Not like me. He's a T-1000. Advanced prototype made of liquid metal.

John: Wait! I thought only living matter can travel back in time!

Arnie: He went through inside a coccoon made of living flesh and blood.

John: Like what you're made of?

Arnie: Yes.

John: Well can you kill it?

Arnie: Unknown.

See how that works? So the plothole's filled, and fans like me who remember such details are satisfied.

 

[Golgo-13]

Exactly. They didn't even notice the sonic booms when Biff brought back the time machine.

Doc did notice something. When they loaded Jennifer in the car, Doc stands up and say's "wait a minute", it then cuts to a shot of them inside the delorean. This is obviously where the deleted scene where old Biff is erased from existence occurs, but i think he noticed that the Delorean wasn't where they parked it, or something else...

Batman in TDK getting the thumb print off the reconstructed bullet was just silly.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Well that fills the plothole in the novelization, but not in the movie itself. They should have inserted the information retroactively, like when Arnie had just saved John and was explaining that the T-1000 was made out of liquid metal. It should have gone something like this:


See how that works? So the plothole's filled, and fans like me who remember such details are satisfied.

Well, the T-1000's arrival wasn't really shown in the film, so it's left ambiguous, but it doesn't really matter. The only people that would really care for an explicit explanation in the film, are the fans.

 

[samsnee]

The flesh cocoon only leaves a bigger plot. Why not send advanced weapons in same said cocoon?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Kyle Reese should have just shoved an explosive up his ass.

 

[spider-neil]

I love Spider-Man 2 very much, but two plot holes stand out:

1. It was a mega cool scene, but why did Doc Ock throw a car at Peter Parker when he needed him to find Spider-Man for him?

2. How did Harry know where to tell Spidey where Doc Ock's lair was?

1. ock is a psycho, if peter had been killed, he'd have been like, 'meh', gone back to harry and forced him to give him the tridium

2. harry didn't tell him, spidey found it on his own by going to the place the fusion reactor would cause maximum damage and not be seen by casual passers back, the docks. okay it's a bit of a stretch...

 

[jmc]

Or why doesn't Frodo fly to Mordor with the eagles and immediatly throw the ring in Mount Doom while Aragorn and the humans fight outside Mordor with the orcs .

Even as big a fan of the books and films as I am I've gotta say this is always an issue that makes me laugh, in fact I rang up a radio station about it when they had a segment on movie plot problems. t: Really, you could have finished the story in 45 mins. Would have loved to have seen this scene instead:

Gandalf: The Ring must be destroyed!

Frodo: Ok, lets get one of those giant eagles to fly it over and drop it in the volcano.

Gandalf: No, we must form a fellowship and track through the lands of middle earth going up against various perils and dangers!

Frodo: Ah....Why? I mean we got the eagles it'd be a hell of a lot easier just to..

Gandalf: No! We must journey through the darkest reaches of Middle Earth and battle our way through greats beasts and enemies of the Dark Lord!

Frodo: Dude we could just save ourselves a crap load of trouble and just fly the damn thing over, do we really need....

Gandalf: We must have our wits about us at all times, be ever vigilant, and engage in war to free the peoples of Middle Earth once and for all from the grasp of the evils of Mordor!

Frodo: ...........are you effing high or something? We've got freakin' giant eagles at our disposal! On top of that, your a wizard, can't you just like conjure up some spell or something to send the Ring to Mt Doom. You're suppose to be a wizard, where the effing hell is the magic?

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I just thought about it. Since Skynet is self-aware, isn't it "living"?

See? Solves that problem!

 

[spider-neil]

I just thought about it. Since Skynet is self-aware, isn't it "living"?

See? Solves that problem!

it's not a case of being sentient, it's a case of being organic.

 

[david icke]

I love Spider-Man 2 very much, but two plot holes stand out:

1. It was a mega cool scene, but why did Doc Ock throw a car at Peter Parker when he needed him to find Spider-Man for him?

Did he though? He was just on a general rampage, trying to tease out Spider-man, he was probably throwing stuff aorund before that. And I guess he was in Peter's neighbourhood looking for him too, so after throwing the car through the window of his local cafe, Pete and MJ stand up and face out the window to see what's going on, and that's when Ock spots them and approaches.

2. How did Harry know where to tell Spidey where Doc Ock's lair was?

now that, is a plothole(if that is technically a plothole, please don't call the plothole police on me, i'm losing the plothole as it is.)

 

[david icke]

Wouldn't the eagles in LOTR be more easily spotted by the Ring Wraiths on those flying lizard things? As they are drawn to the ring etc? Would be a bit risky, not very stealthy.

 

[jmc]

Wouldn't the eagles in LOTR be more easily spotted by the Ring Wraiths on those flying lizard things? As they are drawn to the ring etc? Would be a bit risky, not very stealthy.

Those same dragons that got their arse handed to them by those eagles in the third film?

 

[david icke]

Those same dragons that got their arse handed to them by those eagles in the third film?

As I said, it's risky, flying around fighting those things while in possesion of the ring? Completely different scenario. They drop the ring, then all Sauron's minions have to do is an extensive search of the area below.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.

And why do they still have hair and fingernails?

Seriously, the T-1000 might just be able to mimic living tissue.

If the time machine had been updated to allow nonliving matter to travel through time, then why did the terminators arrive in the present naked? And why didn't Arnie bring better weapons with him? And for that matter, why didn't the the T-1000?

They could just cover the weapons in living flesh, to expand this point.

BUT, I've always seen the time travel as a last minute action by SkyNet with the time machine on auto-destruct, so the resistance had to hurry up and no possibilities to plan this better.

The time travel in T1 is no plot hole at all, BTW, just if you combine it with T2.

 

[jmc]

As I said, it's risky, flying around fighting those things while in possesion of the ring? Completely different scenario. They drop the ring, then all Sauron's minions have to do is an extensive search of the area below.

Yeah but far easier than trudging thousands of kilometers and navigating through treacherous lands, and having mindless battles against massive armies and monsters in order to do the exact same thing with the same amount of risk, if not more. If logic had prevailed they really could've just used the eagles to drop the Ring in the volcano, problem solved, thousands of lives saved, nobody breaks a sweat. I just find it funny how quickly the film could have ended had they simply done this.

 

[david icke]

Yeah but far easier than trudging thousands of kilometers and navigating through treacherous lands, and having mindless battles against massive armies and monsters in order to do the exact same thing with the same amount of risk, if not more. If logic had prevailed they really could've just used the eagles to drop the Ring in the volcano, problem solved, thousands of lives saved, nobody breaks a sweat. I just find it funny how quickly the film could have ended had they simply done this.

You're missing the point, physically it would have been easier, but the risk would have been too great, due to lack of the stealth.
The Ring would be detected easily and the eagle spotted. If they travel by ground they can hide easily.
So, in that way it is the more difficult approach, because flying through the air gives you next to no cover.
I am sorry for introducing a logical explanation into something that you have been bringing up at the pub for years, but I think that covers it.

 

[Laderlappen]

Even as big a fan of the books and films as I am I've gotta say this is always an issue that makes me laugh, in fact I rang up a radio station about it when they had a segment on movie plot problems. t: Really, you could have finished the story in 45 mins. Would have loved to have seen this scene instead:

Gandalf: The Ring must be destroyed!

Frodo: Ok, lets get one of those giant eagles to fly it over and drop it in the volcano.

Gandalf: No, we must form a fellowship and track through the lands of middle earth going up against various perils and dangers!

Frodo: Ah....Why? I mean we got the eagles it'd be a hell of a lot easier just to..

Gandalf: No! We must journey through the darkest reaches of Middle Earth and battle our way through greats beasts and enemies of the Dark Lord!

Frodo: Dude we could just save ourselves a crap load of trouble and just fly the damn thing over, do we really need....

Gandalf: We must have our wits about us at all times, be ever vigilant, and engage in war to free the peoples of Middle Earth once and for all from the grasp of the evils of Mordor!

Frodo: ...........are you effing high or something? We've got freakin' giant eagles at our disposal! On top of that, your a wizard, can't you just like conjure up some spell or something to send the Ring to Mt Doom. You're suppose to be a wizard, where the effing hell is the magic?

About the Lord of the Rings, there is so many question you can ask. Whats the big deal, its just a bloody ring? Whats the deal with Sauron? He's an eye, what can he do blind me? You have to buy that Sauron is so much powerful even if he's just an eye, and you have to buy that this ring is powerful and will eventually take over you. You cant just fly over and drop it.

 

[TheShah]

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.

Goddamn.