the massive plothole thread

[david icke]

I agree the scene with Pete asking Harry where Ock's lair is is a plot hole, it's the way it's presented, as if Harry tells Pete in a scene we don't see so we can cut to the chase.
Ock threatening Harry makes sense in the movie though. Harry agrees to help Ock, yes, but can set conditions on when to meet etc, because he has to actually go get ahold of the tridium, and a lot can happen between now and then.
He can bs Ock and Ock will not not know it, tell him it will take a couple of days to get it, and in the meantime set a trap for Ock with the cops, catch a plane to a secret location, or whatever.
If Ock cuts a deal with Harry there is a level of trust there, mutual benefit, so Ock is willing to help Harry out because then Harry will sort him out with no problems that may arise from Harry setting a trap for Ock, if all he has is a death threat hanging over him. If he wants something from Ock in return though, there is less chance of Harry betraying Ock, so both guys will get what they want.

edit: and the car through the window, I covered that back on page one or two, it's something that I am getting a little tired of seeing people gripe about, people read that scene wrong all the time, it's actually pretty simple. there's nothing wrong with the scene. He is on a rampage to attract spider-man, throwing **** around, and is also in Pete's neck of the woods to try and find him, he only sees Pete and MJ *after* he has chucked the car through the window, and they are standing looking out of the broken window.

 

[spider-neil]

If anyone is thinking about Joker busting the bus into the wall of the bank, and manages to have the time to do his thing and then escape. I assumes he has people to stay outside and make sure the police werent near or something

it's horrible. it assumes the police arrive and go 'meh', rather than asking the bank employees what crashed through the wall i.e. a school bus.

then again it was a mob bank maybe the police weren't informed at all, but that doesn't work either because 'someone' would have called the police or ambulence that a SCHOOL BUS has crashed into a bank.

 

[Ipodman]

Maybe they escaped before the police arrived... so when the police arrived it was just a giant hole in the wall

 

[spider-neil]

Maybe they escaped before the police arrived... so when the police arrived it was just a giant hole in the wall

policeman 1 - 'so, what caused the hole in the wall?'

bank teller - 'a school bus'

policeman 2 - 'meh, it's probably long gone by now...'

policeman 2 - 'it's 1 oclock, let's go for lunch'

 

[HighFivingMF]

policeman 1 - 'so, what caused the hole in the wall?'

bank teller - 'a school bus'

policeman 2 - 'meh, it's probably long gone by now...'

policeman 2 - 'it's 1 oclock, let's go for lunch'

It's one schoolbus that exited into a pack of schoolbuses, that if you followed the viral marketing you'd know were being driven by Joker's men. After which all of those buses could either branch off and go separate ways while Joker makes his way to the hide-out.

"There are schoolbuses all over town."
"Look for the one we can't see!"

 

[Docker2.0]

So a bunch of stolen buses and noone notices......just saying.

 

[HighFivingMF]

So a bunch of stolen buses and noone notices......just saying.

Who said no one notices?

 

[Majik1387]

Only one bus was stolen.

 

[spider-neil]

So a bunch of stolen buses and noone notices......just saying.

basically the premise is;
it was a mob bank so no one called the police, by the time the police eventually did arrived on the scene (someone reporting property damage) the school buses (and you have to assume they were all stolen as the gap the bank school bus drives into is the perfect width, if not that's seriously coincedental) are long gone.

hmmm...

 

[HighFivingMF]

For a guy who keeps defending a movie about a guy getting superpowers from a radioactive spider you sure do like pointing out weak spots in logic.

 

[Docker2.0]

basically the premise is;
it was a mob bank so no one called the police, by the time the police eventually did arrived on the scene (someone reporting property damage) the school buses (and you have to assume they were all stolen as the gap the bank school bus drives into is the perfect width, if not that's seriously coincedental) are long gone.

hmmm...

Yep! Because he had perfect timing to fit that bus between the other buses, which didn't slow down or speed up not one bit. Just saying.

 

[Majik1387]

Yep! Because he had perfect timing to fit that bus between the other buses, which didn't slow down or speed up not one bit. Just saying.

Do stoplights not exist in Gotham City?

 

[Docker2.0]

Do stoplights not exist in Gotham City?

What part of not stopping nor speeding up don't you understand? It fit perfectly in there with no hesitation from either the Joker or the other bus drivers.

 

[Majik1387]

If Joker was able to come up with an elaborate plan to put Gotham in a frenzy, I don't see how getting a bus in-between other buses is so unbelievable or a plot hole.

 

[Travesty]

Do stoplights not exist in Gotham City?

Of course Gotham does, along with very polite bus drivers, who let other bus drivers in(who wear deranged clown masks), right after they backup and make a MASSIVE hole in the side of a bank.

 

[Travesty]

If Joker was able to come up with an elaborate plan to put Gotham in a frenzy, I don't see how getting a bus in-between other buses is so unbelievable or a plot hole.

Which is why almost everything The Joker did had plotholes surrounding it.

 

[Eggyman]

Also, another plot hole. Three-button suits are not 90's. They were in fashion at the time so Fox must have his head up his arse, and Nolan must surely be on drugs to let such wrongful dialogue go from script to screen.

 

[Majik1387]

Of course Gotham does, along with very polite bus drivers, who let other bus drivers in(who wear deranged clown masks), right after they backup and make a MASSIVE hole in the side of a bank.

Well, Joker wasn't wearing a mask at that point. And what choice did the bus driver of the real school bus have really? To risk his/her life and the students on the bus? No, because it would be stupid. This is all assuming the rest of the buses actually were for schools, and not Joker's hired henchmen.

Which is why almost everything The Joker did had plotholes surrounding it.

Eh, extreme coincidences yeah, but not plot holes.

 

[Travesty]

Well, Joker wasn't wearing a mask at that point. And what choice did the bus driver of the real school bus have really? To risk his/her life and the students on the bus? No, because it would be stupid. This is all assuming the rest of the buses actually were for schools, and not Joker's hired henchmen.

See, you're just filling up all these plotholes.

And just because The Joker wasn't wearing a mask, doesn't mean he doesn't stop looking like a deranged clown.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

I'm sorry, it's illogical that he just merged perfectly into a crowd of buses. No one in their right mind is going to let someone in who just took out a bank, just so they can easily escape.


Edit: I just went back and watched the scene, and the other buses are filled with kids. Not only can you see them, but you can here them too.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well, Joker wasn't wearing a mask at that point. And what choice did the bus driver of the real school bus have really? To risk his/her life and the students on the bus? No, because it would be stupid. This is all assuming the rest of the buses actually were for schools, and not Joker's hired henchmen.

Eh, extreme coincidences yeah, but not plot holes.

I'm going to give you credit and say you are doing a great job at filling in these wtf moments but still....it is what it is.

 

[Majik1387]

See, you're just filling up all these plotholes.

It's not filling up what common sense can figure out without it being spelled out for the viewer.

And just because The Joker wasn't wearing a mask, doesn't mean he doesn't stop looking like a deranged clown.

You let me know the details of how someone looks driving a bus while you drive a bus trying not to get hit.

I'm sorry, it's illogical that he just merged perfectly into a crowd of buses. No one in their right mind is going to let someone in who just took out a bank into a line, so they can easily escape.

And if it was Joker's guys, well, that was a blatant omission of relevant info, because from what we know, it was just a regular line of school buses, who just happened let him in.


Edit: I just went back and watched the scene, and the other buses are filled with kids. Not only can you see them, but you can here them too.

Again, a school bus driver is not gonna risk the lives of himself and school kids just because a crazy clown cut them off.

 

[Eggyman]

Really? We've devolved to traffic patterns and driving habits?

 

[Travesty]

It's not filling up what common sense can figure out without it being spelled out for the viewer.

So it's "common sense" to let someone back into traffic, without breaking your driving pattern too? Normally, when I'm on the road, and someone does something extreme, I either stop completely, or swerve out of the way.

Again, a school bus driver is not gonna risk the lives of himself and school kids just because a crazy clown cut them off.

Right, so he just keep driving along with the bus, and doesn't even try to swerve out of the way, or stop completely to protect the kids. Instead, he follows behind the reckless driver who just came out the side of a bank, with rubble coming off of it. Oh, along with cops coming towards the very bank that a bus just came out of.

I guess the best way to protect kids from a reckless driver, is to stay right behind a reckless driver?

 

[Majik1387]

Well, what do you expect to happen? You guys act like it's the first bank heist scene where the getaway vehicle doesn't care about the civilian traffic.

 

[Majik1387]

So it's "common sense" to let someone back into traffic, without breaking your driving pattern too? Normally, when I'm on the road, and someone does something extreme, I either stop completely, or swerve out of the way.

Right, so he just keep driving along with the bus, and doesn't even try to swerve out of the way, or stop completely to protect the kids. Instead, he follows behind the reckless driver who just came out the side of a bank, with rubble coming off of it.

I guess the best way to protect kids from a reckless driver, is to stay right behind a reckless driver?

In a way yeah, it's better to be driving behind a reckless driver than to be in front of them.