The McCain Thread

Who will be McCain's runningmate?

  • Mitt Romney (former Governor of Massachussets)

  • Mike Huckabee (former Governor of Arkansas)

  • Rudy Giuliani (former mayor New York)

  • Charlie Christ (current governor of Florida)

  • Fred Thompson (former US Senator of Tennessee)

  • Condaleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

  • Colin Powell (former Secretary of State)

  • JC Watts (former Republican chairman of Republican House)

  • Rob Portman (Director of Office of Management and Budget)

  • Tim Pawlenty (Governor of Minnesota)

  • Bobby Jindal (Governor of Lousiana)

  • Mark Sanford (Governor of South Carolina)

  • Lindsey Graham (US Senator of South Carolina)

  • Sarah Palin (Governor of Alaska)

  • Kay Hutchinson (US Senator of Texas)

  • John Thune (US Senator of South Dakota)

  • Haley Barbour (Governor of Mississippi)

  • Marsha Blackburn (US Tenessee Representative)

  • Joseph Lieberman (US Senator of Connecticut)

  • Sonny Perdue (Governor of Georgia)

  • George Allen (former US Senator of Virginia)

  • Matt Blunt (Governor of Missouri)

  • some other US Senator, congressman

  • some other Governor

  • some dark horse like Dick Cheney


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dont' pretend there isn't anybody your close to whom has given you advice who has ever said anything deemed controversial.

People are holding this against Obama because he is black and they are just looking for an excuse to hop onto the race factor. Wright's name isn't on the ballet. He's not running for President.

I'm not running for President.

And beyond that, I can't think of a single controversial thing which has come out of any of my friends' mouths. The only things any of my friends can be accused of are being too liberal or too conservative.

Unlike some people in this country, I don't hang around people who have a tendency to spew hate speech. I don't appreciate that kind of behavior.
 
if you think it doesn't.
you're entitled to that.
but I guess McCain, who has a had a long run as a politician also qualifies under the same banner as Obama now, due to Hagge, I mean at least I hope you do.
 
if you think it doesn't.
you're entitled to that.
but I guess McCain, who has a had a long run as a politician also qualifies under the same banner as Obama now, due to Hagge, I mean at least I hope you do.

I have to disagree. This Hagge guy didn't preach 'conspiracy' theories or 'racism'. Maybe some of his ideas were outlandish, but nothing in what he said would indicate that he 'hates' America or a certain race within it.

At least, that's as I understand it. Links pointing to the contrary always welcome. :)
 
Just because you write big doesn't make you right! Bill Clinton invited America's top 100,(not 100's) Pastors to an exclusive Whitehouse dinner on Sept 11th 1998. This was to improve his image after the Monica Lewinsky fallout. These Pastors were pre-screened by the secret service, since it was an exclusive event.

What the hell does pre-screening Wright have to do with this? No one said Wright was a terrorist or a guerrilla warrior. :huh:

If he was good enough to meet with the President 10 years ago, he was good enough to be Barack's Pastor. And Wright wasn't a paid advisor. But nice try.

This isn't about him simply being Obama's pastor. Nor is this simply a case of 'guilt by association.'

This about Obama's severe lack of judgment.

He hired Wright to serve as an adviser on his campaign. He wasn't paid... but you don't have to be paid to be hired, and frankly, I could care less if he was. What matters is that Wright had a record of saying truly offensive, hate-filled things.

You guys are trying to find some sort of 'meaning' into what Wright had to say,and you're pretending that voters are going to suddenly 'get it.' They won't. And I understand that Wright may have been frustrated. I understand that his frustration may lead him to say perceivably stupid things. But Obama simply should have known better. Instead of looking at Wright and reflecting on his sermons like he should have, he hired Wright immediately. And once Wright's words made it on national television... Obama didn't take responsibility at first. He brushed off the man's remarks as something a 'crazy old uncle' would say, and it took him two days to both remove Wright and acknowledge that any damage was done.

To me, this shows a lapse in judgment and a disconnect with voters. He doesn't understand that most of us white folks in America are not hate-filled bigots who live only to bring the black man down. Quite frankly, there are tons of African Americans who make more money than I do each year and maintain a higher status in society than I do. Yet I would be out of line if I blamed all my problems on then, wouldn't I? How is it that Wright's comments aren't considered out of line? And how is it not a reflection of poor judgment on Obama's behalf?

I don't care about Obama or Wright's race. I don't care about what Obama believes religiously. I don't care if Obama believes what Wright said. I care that Obama didn't know any better than to hire this man in the first place.

And because of this, he probably just pissed away his chances this November. This isn't going away.
 
if you think it doesn't.
you're entitled to that.
but I guess McCain, who has a had a long run as a politician also qualifies under the same banner as Obama now, due to Hagge, I mean at least I hope you do.

I do file McCain under the same banner.

Now I know that I definitely will not be voting for McCain in the fall.

Mostly, because Hagee's comments about how gay people warranted Hurricane Katrina hit a personal note with me.

This is the same situation, with the only exception that McCain didn't hire Hagee to work on his campaign. Oh-- and that McCain has explicitly sought Hagee's endorsement and has had Hagee campaign for him.

But I also won't vote for McCain because I disagree with almost everything he stands for. I never said I wouldn't vote for Obama simply because of Wright. And I will vote for him if he's the Democratic nominee.
 
I have to disagree. This Hagge guy didn't preach 'conspiracy' theories or 'racism'. Maybe some of his ideas were outlandish, but nothing in what he said would indicate that he 'hates' America or a certain race within it.

At least, that's as I understand it. Links pointing to the contrary always welcome. :)

you're actually kind of right, Hagee is not as extreme as Wright, but they both have sever issues to contend with.
while on the patriotic front I agree with wright somewhat, I don't think love of government is love of country so I do think that it's possible that wright loves his country and just hates his government, the system is you will.
but while he might not discriminate against race he is kind of a nut as well.

This embrace of Hagee’s backing provoked Bill Donahue of the Catholic League to point out the pastor’s anti-Catholic beliefs. “Indeed, for the past few decades, he has waged an unrelenting war against the Catholic Church, said Donahue. “For example, he likes calling it ‘The Great ****e,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system’,” he pointed out.
link.

and I have to agree with McCain here.
“I don’t have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positionslinknotice how he says "some" does this to me mean McCain dislikes catholics?
nah, I'm sure he means he endorses all the positive side of the Preacher.

here he is on Glenn Beck.

I even agree with some of his stances.
and then you read further and he defends his nutty stances with this.
“I’ve learned that some have accused me of referring to the Catholic Church as the ‘great ****e,’ of Revelations. This is a serious misinterpretation of my words. When I refer to the ‘great ****e,’ I am referring to the apostate church, namely those Christians who embrace the false cult system of Jew-hatred and anti-Semitism.”

so again, when read in context they don't seem that bad, but the two situations seem oddly similar.
infact, in the articles I linked to McCain first doesn't want to distance himself and a few weeks later he does.
to McCain's defense he did say the Obama thing had no merit, so yay him! :up:
 
I do file McCain under the same banner.

Now I know that I definitely will not be voting for McCain in the fall.

Mostly, because Hagee's comments about how gay people warranted Hurricane Katrina hit a personal note with me.

This is the same situation, with the only exception that McCain didn't hire Hagee to work on his campaign. Oh-- and that McCain has explicitly sought Hagee's endorsement and has had Hagee campaign for him.

But I also won't vote for McCain because I disagree with almost everything he stands for. I never said I wouldn't vote for Obama simply because of Wright. And I will vote for him if he's the Democratic nominee.

If I voted I wouldn't give a crap about Hagee, I wouldn't vote McCain because he wants a third Bush term, but that being said I really liked McCain in 2000, hell McCain vs Gore? I would've liked to see that.
this thing has gotten out of hand, and now people are actually thinking Obama is going to be a racist anti-us president.
and that is ********.
 
If I voted I wouldn't give a crap about Hagee, I wouldn't vote McCain because he wants a third Bush term, but that being said I really liked McCain in 2000, hell McCain vs Gore? I would've liked to see that.
this thing has gotten out of hand, and now people are actually thinking Obama is going to be a racist anti-us president.
and that is ********.


No one I have spoken to face to face thinks this....

but they are questioning his judgment......
 
INVITING SOMEONE TO A CONFERENCE ATTENDED BY HUNDREDS OF RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND TAKING A PHOTOGRAPH WITH THAT PERSON IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM TAKING ADVICE FROM THAT SAME PERSON FOR 20 YEARS.

Whoa...BIG MAN!
 
No.

You have no idea what kind of relationship Clinton had with Wright. Obviously there is something there for him to have been selected; I doubt it was random. There are THOUSANDS of ministers in this country. That was a private affair.

And again, if Obama is "guilty by association" then the same should be said of anyone else who's had ties with this pastor. I mean, if we're going to be shallow, let's be shallow all the way people. :whatever:


I would challenge someone to find out exactly how this breakfast was put together......I think it is laughable that some are trying to build even the slightest relationship between Clinton and Wright...and even if they could....who cares...there are many of these breakfasts set up for different occassions throughout the year....and 1,000's of pictures taken, throughout the year. Wright is one of the most well known preachers in the Midwest, its not a stretch that he would be at a national luncheon of this kind.

And even if there was a slight relationship, was he a mentor of Clinton's? Did Clinton equate this man with family? Was he a part of his inner circle as a spiritual advisor?

If Reverend Wright believes what he said from his pulpit....more power to him.....that is his right.....God Bless America that he can have these beliefs and preach them freely from his pulpit.........BUT, as many have.....these comments are "divisive".... Obama himself has said this.....as close as Obama is to Wright, there is no one here or anywhere that can convince that he did not know that Wright had these beliefs.....in fact, Obama himself said he knew in his speech.......but no one, including Obama has been able to answer the question as to why, in a campaign that is built on change and bringing a country he sees a divided together....why would you have someone that believed these things even close to your campaign. If you love him like family, fine......love him, let him pray for you, let him within his church support you......but my god, why would you let him anywhere near your inner circle of your campaign? I would think that Obama would be smart enough, or in the least, have people around him smart enough to know and understand America well enough to know that if these comments hit the news, it would damage the core of his campagin.


That question has not been answered, and I don't believe it will be answered.....

I would have applauded his speech on race a month ago.....it is a speech I was waiting for...........but it was given out of a motive for patching a problem, not for healing America.
 
No one I have spoken to face to face thinks this....

but they are questioning his judgment......

for associating with a nutty guy? all politicians do that.
no one questions their judgment.
 
for associating with a nutty guy? all politicians do that.
no one questions their judgment.

"associating"?????????

I would call being in the same room with a nut, associating with them.....

Obama himself would (and has) called it more than an association.....



"associating"????????????????????????????/
 
"associating"?????????

I would call being in the same room with a nut, associating with them.....

Obama himself would (and has) called it more than an association.....



"associating"????????????????????????????/
yes, associating. If you have a homosexual friend, does that make you gay?
 
"associating"?????????

I would call being in the same room with a nut, associating with them.....

Obama himself would (and has) called it more than an association.....



"associating"????????????????????????????/

what do YOU call it?
 
yes, associating. If you have a homosexual friend, does that make you gay?

He's more than just associated, and sorry but that is a silly comparison....

He calls him a mentor, a spiritual advisor, a member of his family.......he's not "just" associated with him.....

AND WOULD YOU PLEASE READ MY FREAKIN POSTS.....I'm not arguing "right or wrong" on what Wright preaches, nor am I arguing his right to say them.....and sorry, BUT THERE IS NO ARGUMENT ON HOW WELL AND HOW MUCH OBAMA THINKS OF WRIGHT.....arguing that is just ridiculous.

I am "simply" QUESTIONING....judgment on the part of Obama to have someone that close to him, a hell of alot more than just an association....within (very much in the innercircle) of his campaign....a campaign based on "change and bringing people together" and he has within his campagin someone known for preaching things that Obama himself calls "wrong and divisive"

You are arguing just too argue........


Mr Sparkle said:
what do YOU call it?

"I" don't call it anything......I'll let Obama call it........and HE calls him a friend, a mentor, a spiritual advisor, an inspiration, a family member........soooooooooooooooooo "I" guess "I'll" go with what Obama himself calls him. And guess what MS, I have no problem with any of that........but if Obama for one second thought that many Americans would not find Wright's comments at least "strange" coming from the "spiritual advisor" of the man leading a campagin of "change and coming together"......THEN, I guestion his judgment........which is all I'm saying.......I question his judgment.
 
I'm not running for President.

And beyond that, I can't think of a single controversial thing which has come out of any of my friends' mouths. The only things any of my friends can be accused of are being too liberal or too conservative.

Unlike some people in this country, I don't hang around people who have a tendency to spew hate speech. I don't appreciate that kind of behavior.

are you black?

Does it matter?

if you think it doesn't.
you're entitled to that.
but I guess McCain, who has a had a long run as a politician also qualifies under the same banner as Obama now, due to Hagge, I mean at least I hope you do.

Scary.

By nature of my skin color I AM FORCED to "Hang out" with people who say hateful, racist things - glance at my facial expression and make it worse by saying :
"No offense"
or "Not You V,.. It's them other ___________ I'm talking about."


If black,.. I am estatic for you that you live in a hole somewhere where you NEVER HAVE TO TOLERATE people around you with racist or hateful viewpoints in regards to difference.

If White,.. the concept is foriegn to you to bereduced to color whenever you displease someone.

TSK.

I may just vote Constitutionalist.

V.
 
Scary.

By nature of my skin color I AM FORCED to "Hang out" with people who say hateful, racist things - glance at my facial expression and make it worse by saying :
"No offense"
or "Not You V,.. It's them other ___________ I'm talking about."


If black,.. I am estatic for you that you live in a hole somewhere where you NEVER HAVE TO TOLERATE people around you with racist or hateful viewpoints in regards to difference.

If White,.. the concept is foriegn to you to bereduced to color whenever you displease someone.

TSK.

I may just vote Constitutionalist.

V.

I am gay, and I can't tell you how many times I've heard homosexuals referred to as ***gots by former friends and co-workers.

I really don't want to play a game of "who has it worse."
 
I am gay, and I can't tell you how many times I've heard homosexuals referred to as ***gots by former friends and co-workers.

I really don't want to play a game of "who has it worse."

lol
I wasn't aware that gays were beat and hung by the hundreds since the 1800's just for being male and the wrong color.

I wasn't aware of gays in public office being chosen LAST after blacks for viable canidates,.. mostly because they can choose to state their sexual orientation or not,... Blacks can't step up and say "I'm white" or "I'm Black".




Yes you are right,.. You don't want to go through who has it worse -

because Gay hasn't lost nearly as many people thru violence, Gay has very rarely been refused service in public places, even today Gays are not penalized in government positions when they come out.

I always SMH sadly when homosexuals try to equivocate Hardships thru sexual preference with Hardships thru being the wrong color.

Sadly because push comes to shove it is so much easier to not appear gay to the ignorant than it is to not appear black.

Peace.
 
lol
I wasn't aware that gays were beat and hung by the hundreds since the 1800's just for being male and the wrong color.

You may have been beaten for being the wrong color.

But gays have been beaten and lynched and mistreated long for their sexuality as well.

Remember Matthew Shepherd? How two straight boys tricked him into thinking they were gay, before they brutally beat him and stuck his dying body on a fence post in the middle of nowhere?

How about Lawrence King? The gay eighth grader who was shot in the head by one of his class mate because he dressed in women's clothes?

Not to mention countless others who have been beaten, taunted, had their name dragged through the mud, been literally dragged through the mud, and murdered because they were gay.

I wasn't aware of gays in public office being chosen LAST after blacks for viable canidates,.. mostly because they can choose to state their sexual orientation or not,... Blacks can't step up and say "I'm white" or "I'm Black".

Yes you are right,.. You don't want to go through who has it worse -

because Gay hasn't lost nearly as many people thru violence, Gay has very rarely been refused service in public places, even today Gays are not penalized in government positions when they come out.

I always SMH sadly when homosexuals try to equivocate Hardships thru sexual preference with Hardships thru being the wrong color.

Sadly because push comes to shove it is so much easier to not appear gay to the ignorant than it is to not appear black.

Peace.

You're right. We have the ability to hide our sexuality if we want to.

But some of us feel like being honest to those around us. Some of us don't like being forced to hide who we are because society says it isn't wright.

When was the last time an African American worked for a company which specifically said that blacks couldn't be employed because of their skin color? When was the last time an African American signed up to defend his or her country, but was told they couldn't do so because they were the wrong color?

When was the last time an African American was arrested simply for being black?

And on that note-- when was the last time a heterosexual African American couple was denied insurance benefits or the ability to adopt a child simply based on skin color?

Because there are companies out there today which specifically state that they cannot hire gays. The US military doesn't let gays serve openly in the military. Up until 2003, it was illegal for two homosexuals to have sex with each other in private in Texas. And today, only a handful of states allow domestic partnership benefits, three states allow civil unions, and one state allows gay marriage. Meanwhile, double the amount of those combined states specifically ban two gays from getting married. And double that amount have provisions which make it difficult or illegal for a gay couple to adopt a child.

You want to talk about injustices in this country, you don't have laws anymore which restricts your ability to live your own life freely. You have ignorant bastards who say hateful things, who deserve to be treated the same way as they treat you. But society has looked down on racists as being unacceptable, haven't they?

What about those who preach out against gays? What are they? They 'just have a different opinion about homosexuality.' That's all.

As for the LBGT community? We have laws which not only forbids us to live openly and freely, but ban us from receiving employment under some circumstances.

So again, don't play the discrimination game with me.

Don't tell me I don't know what it's like to be discriminated against.

Because while I'm not black, I am gay. I don't know what it's like to be discriminated against because I'm black... you don't know what it's like to be discriminated against because you're gay.

End of goddamn story.
 
lol this happens all the time.

Then let me rephrase:

When was the last time an African American was arrested for being black, because there was a law which banned a person from simply being black?
 
oh LS you just don't get it.
people have been throwing out the " If I went to KKK meeting for 20 years...." card.
so apparently, what they mean is " If I go to KKK meetings for 20 years and then stop a year before the election....that means I was CURED of all racism!"

see? no double standard or implicit endorsement of hypocrisy there at all.
you're silly, LS, stop being silly, you don't get politics, HIllary did nothing wrong, because the nuts she associated with are NOT, repeat NOT part of her campaign, and as you well know, if someone is NOT part of your campaign association with them doesn't count.
like If Obama met with Hugo chavez and they made out for hours on end, and spoke about how much they hated America?
that wouldn't count if Obama doesn't make Chavez part of his campaign.

see? all perfectly logical.


You turned on the light! Now I can see!! :up:
 
yes, associating. If you have a homosexual friend, does that make you gay?

In some people's eyes, yes it does and I speak from my own personal experiences, as I have quite a few gay and lesbian friends. EXAMPLE: If I'm at a restaurant or walking down the street with them, passersby WILL associate me with them just because of the stereotypes that are attached to them. "He must be gay too."

The funny part? I haven't even slept with them. :whatever:
 
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