The McCain Thread

[redfirebird2008]

Pretty sure I know where McCain gets his talking points:

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The parallels are striking.

"Batman is in reality a dangerous criminal! Whenever you see Batman, who is he with? CRIMINALS!"

 

[lazur]

ummm, because they reminded me of the way you act here?

you haven't said that he supports terrorists, specifically, but you might as well have with your hard-on for this ayers non-story.

As I've said many times before, it's not just about Ayers. It's about Obama's long, long pattern of associations and friendships with radicals and extremists, some whom qualify as 'terrorists' who hate America. The fact that his own wife admitted that she wasn't ever proud of America in her adulthood ... until her husband began his campaign as President ... concerns me greatly because it's yet another example of his being surrounded by those who were/are anti-America. But what about the time he was in the Senate? Why did she feel that way about America then?

If McCain had this kind of pattern in his relationships and had demonstrated such a complete and abysmal lack in judgment, I'd be just as critical. A man *can* be measured by the company he keeps, and when my elected leaders choose to keep the company of those who hate the very country he represents, that *I* love, I have to question not only his patriotism, but also what his true motivations are.

I don't think that's unreasonable. And if Obama would just come out and address ALL of it - not just Ayers - then at least I'd have more information to go on, and maybe he might even succeed in changing my impression of him. But he's being intentionally dismissive and secretive about these relationships. He gives a non-explanation as an explanation. He glosses over these radical relationships, which to be blunt ARE important given how short a political life he's had thus far since none of us know anything about him *other* than what his history tells us. He doesn't get the same latitude McCain gets with respect to history because we've been looking at McCain for 26 years.

I won't be made to feel like a criminal because I have very legitimate concerns about Obama's true intentions. I am not swayed no matter how intelligent, eloquent and articulate he may be. I judge him on substance - not presentation.

 

[redfirebird2008]

What do you mean "true intentions"? See, you're spouting the same kind of "Manchurian Candidate" bullcrap that Rush and his ilk are spreading to the ignorant masses. He's a typical Democrat, not a frickin' secret terrorist. His relationship with those "extremists" is built mostly on opportunism. Obama is a political opportunist, just like any politician. The likes of Ayers and Wright had a lot of clout in Chicago politics, Ayers with liberals and Wright with blacks. John McCain married a woman who has a father with direct connections to the mob. Wonder how his political career got started? Look no further than that.

 

[redfirebird2008]

By the way Lazur, I was watching a Frontline documentary on the two candidates last night. They have the whole thing on their website. When Obama was in the Harvard Law Review, he actually pissed off the liberal portion of it because he got along well with the conservatives. As President of the Review, he even chose more conservatives as editors than liberals. The man is no more dangerous for the country than McCain. Period. And I am sure you will remain skeptical until, during his Presidency, he proves your paranoid ass wrong. You can disagree with his politics, but questioning his intentions is pretty extreme in my opinion. It's like suggesting that Bush INTENTIONALLY ran the country into the ground, which I do not believe is the case nor do I believe that is an acceptable argument for anyone to make.

 

[sinewave]

As I've said many times before, it's not just about Ayers. It's about Obama's long, long pattern of associations and friendships with radicals and extremists, some whom qualify as 'terrorists' who hate America. The fact that his own wife said that she wasn't ever proud of America in her adulthood until her husband began his campaign as President. But what about the time he was in the Senate?

If McCain had this kind of pattern in his relationships and had demonstrated such a complete and abysmal lack in judgment, I'd be just as critical. A man *can* be measured by the company he keeps, and when my elected leaders choose to keep the company of those who hate the very country he represents, that *I* love, I have to question not only his patriotism, but also what his true motivations are.

I don't think that's unreasonable. And if Obama would just come out and address ALL of it - not just Ayers - then at least I'd have more information to go on, and maybe he might even succeed in changing my impression of him. But he's being intentionally dismissive and secretive about these relationships. He gives a non-explanation as an explanation. He glosses over these radical relationships, which to be blunt ARE important given how short a political life he's had thus far since none of us know anything about him *other* than what his history tells us. He doesn't get the same latitude McCain gets with respect to history because we've been looking at McCain for 26 years.

I won't be made to feel like a 'criminal' because I have very legitimate concerns about Obama's true intentions. I am not swayed no matter how intelligent, eloquent and articulate he may be. I judge him on substance - not presentation.

i'm gonna have to call bunk here. mccain's got plenty of questionable associations in his past and you refuse to recognize them. face it, dude, you're pro-republican and you'll defend them 'till your dying breath and will follow teh republican talking points and trash the dems at the drop of a hat. it's ok, we here on these boards recognize it. it's time you do as well. just say you disagree with obama's views and don't think he's qualified to be president and stop with the ultra-right rhetoric already. besides, it's not going to matter in less than two weeks when obama wins handily. though, i know that's not going to stop you from repeating hannity's and limbaugh's loony rhetoric until your fingers are sore.

 

[Shifty]

Has this been posted yet?

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[Visionary]

Has this been posted yet?

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LOL, the fool is talking about himself.

 

[StrainedEyes]

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I don't care for the man's views, and I really don't want him to be President... but man, this moment makes me feel real sorry for him. Look at his shock and how quickly he's breathing. He is just misinformed and has lost all focus, and frankly it's a little hard to watch. You can see his soul implode and slowly reform.

Poor Senator McCain, He thought he had a big win with this whole "fine" business, and it completely blew up in his face.

 

[Marx]

LIEBERMAN: MCCAIN IS 'ON ROAD TO VICTORY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/lieberman-mccain-is-on-the-road-to-victory/

 

[redfirebird2008]

LIEBERMAN: MCCAIN IS 'ON ROAD TO VICTORY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/lieberman-mccain-is-on-the-road-to-victory/

Yes, because old Joe has such great experience winning Presidential elections. Oh wait...

 

[Spider-Gamer]

LIEBERMAN: MCCAIN IS 'ON ROAD TO VICTORY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/lieberman-mccain-is-on-the-road-to-victory/

I guess I won't ever ask Lieberman for directions.

 

[Raiden]

LIEBERMAN: MCCAIN IS 'ON ROAD TO VICTORY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/lieberman-mccain-is-on-the-road-to-victory/

I think Lieberman might as well bring out his pom-pom and cheerleader outfit for McCain on the sideline.

 

[redfirebird2008]

McCain is now stooping to robocalls similar to what Rove did to him in 2000. So I wonder, even if he wins, how in bloody hell he seriously expects to gain bi-partisan support for his agenda in Congress when he's calling the Democrats "too extreme" for America. If he actually wins, he will be a lame duck no doubt about it. He's using the old slash and burn politics. Anything to win. Democrats won't work with this guy in the future based on what he's doing right now in this campaign.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/mccain-robocall.html

 

[Raiden]

McCain is now stooping to robocalls similar to what Rove did to him in 2000. So I wonder, even if he wins, how in bloody hell he seriously expects to gain bi-partisan support for his agenda in Congress when he's calling the Democrats "too extreme" for America. If he actually wins, he will be a lame duck no doubt about it. He's using the old slash and burn politics. Anything to win. Democrats won't work with this guy in the future based on what he's doing right now in this campaign.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/mccain-robocall.html

I think this cartoon illustrates it well:

 

[bunk]

By the way Lazur, I was watching a Frontline documentary on the two candidates last night. They have the whole thing on their website. When Obama was in the Harvard Law Review, he actually pissed off the liberal portion of it because he got along well with the conservatives. As President of the Review, he even chose more conservatives as editors than liberals. The man is no more dangerous for the country than McCain. Period. And I am sure you will remain skeptical until, during his Presidency, he proves your paranoid ass wrong. You can disagree with his politics, but questioning his intentions is pretty extreme in my opinion. It's like suggesting that Bush INTENTIONALLY ran the country into the ground, which I do not believe is the case nor do I believe that is an acceptable argument for anyone to make.

I thought the Frontline special was pretty good. They at least try to delve into areas that don't get as much play in the media, like Obama's Harvard time you mentioned. Unfortunately it's only an hour long, I'm sure they could get into a lot more.

 

[jaguarr]

LOL, the fool is talking about himself.

Haha! Wow.

I don't care for the man's views, and I really don't want him to be President... but man, this moment makes me feel real sorry for him. Look at his shock and how quickly he's breathing. He is just misinformed and has lost all focus, and frankly it's a little hard to watch. You can see his soul implode and slowly reform.

Poor Senator McCain, He thought he had a big win with this whole "fine" business, and it completely blew up in his face.

If ever there was an expression that said "Oh sh1t!!!!!" it's John's face when Obama says "Here's your fine, Joe. Zero.". And that look stayed on his face for a good twenty seconds or more. He had no idea what the hell to do with that one. He thought he'd set a trap for Obama and Obama stepped over the tiger pit and pushed McCain right in it.

LIEBERMAN: MCCAIN IS 'ON ROAD TO VICTORY'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/lieberman-mccain-is-on-the-road-to-victory/

Lieberman lives in Bizarro World.

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Say it Ain't So, Joe: Spotlight gets old fast for 'Joe the Plumber'
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=885575

 

[Fading]

Haha! Wow.



If ever there was an expression that said "Oh sh1t!!!!!" it's John's face when Obama says "Here's your fine, Joe. Zero.". And that look stayed on his face for a good twenty seconds or more. He had no idea what the hell to do with that one. He thought he'd set a trap for Obama and Obama stepped over the tiger pit and pushed McCain right in it.



Lieberman lives in Bizarro World.

jag

Sad thing is I'm pretty sure Obama addressed that exact issue dealing with his tax stance on smaller buisnesses in the first debate, and kinda explained it in the second as well (tho McCain repeated that, "I still didn't hear a number" line there too I think). If McCain listened both times he wouldn't have been shocked.

 

[Excel]

anybody watching him?

 

[Etienne]

^Yes he's hilarious.

 

[Excel]

its funny...but what is this n will barack speak

 

[Etienne]

Most likely after McCain, the Alfred E. Smith Memorial dinner is a tradition around this time of the year.

 

[Excel]

obamas ****ing dying

 

[Etienne]

Oprah likes to refer to him as "The One" were I like to refer to him as "that one." (paraphrasing)

 

[Excel]

"can somebody tell me what happened to the pillars?"