The McCain Thread

Who will be McCain's runningmate?

  • Mitt Romney (former Governor of Massachussets)

  • Mike Huckabee (former Governor of Arkansas)

  • Rudy Giuliani (former mayor New York)

  • Charlie Christ (current governor of Florida)

  • Fred Thompson (former US Senator of Tennessee)

  • Condaleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

  • Colin Powell (former Secretary of State)

  • JC Watts (former Republican chairman of Republican House)

  • Rob Portman (Director of Office of Management and Budget)

  • Tim Pawlenty (Governor of Minnesota)

  • Bobby Jindal (Governor of Lousiana)

  • Mark Sanford (Governor of South Carolina)

  • Lindsey Graham (US Senator of South Carolina)

  • Sarah Palin (Governor of Alaska)

  • Kay Hutchinson (US Senator of Texas)

  • John Thune (US Senator of South Dakota)

  • Haley Barbour (Governor of Mississippi)

  • Marsha Blackburn (US Tenessee Representative)

  • Joseph Lieberman (US Senator of Connecticut)

  • Sonny Perdue (Governor of Georgia)

  • George Allen (former US Senator of Virginia)

  • Matt Blunt (Governor of Missouri)

  • some other US Senator, congressman

  • some other Governor

  • some dark horse like Dick Cheney


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Lets be honest, if Obama kept saying Romney is Bush 2.0 in the current economic climate, does anyone honestly think the results would be more or less the same as the current ones?

That didn't sway my vote at all, up until the debated I was undecided. The contrat between the two made my decision. McCain was just pure nastiness, I wouldn't want someone like that in power. No eye contact, barely acknowleding Obama's presence, I could go on. That is far from being professional on any level, much less Presidential.
 
Just the pure nastiness. I usually root for the underdog but when the underdog goes the dirty route, forget about it. Once he selected Palin as his running mate seemed a grasp at desperation and a bit insulting to think women are going to vote purely on the fact that he has a woman in the VP position. Plus, McCain seems so angry, there's a chip on that man's shoulder and I don't want him representing my country as an "angry American".

Oh yeah only the Republican campaign was nasty? Did you even pay attention to what The democratic Campaign said about Palin? She wasnt there to get the women she was there cause she was a CONSERVATIVE, something McCain isnt. He thought that would help. So did I.

Lets be honest, if Obama kept saying Romney is Bush 2.0 in the current economic climate, does anyone honestly think the results would be more or less the same as the current ones?

What im saying is the fact that it was McCain is why they made that comparison. Now had the Romney it would have been hard to fight and I agree i voted Romney in the primary. Its just the Bush/McCain comparison helped out ALOT.
 
That didn't sway my vote at all, up until the debated I was undecided. The contrat between the two made my decision. McCain was just pure nastiness, I wouldn't want someone like that in power. No eye contact, barely acknowleding Obama's presence, I could go on. That is far from being professional on any level, much less Presidential.
My point is, most people made up their mind prior to the financial crisis. The financial crisis tipped the scale for the undecided. That's what I am getting at.
 
They wanted to do the same thing. I guess the people didn't agree.
 
Obama and McCain's economic plan is more or less in the same trajectory. People think the minor differences will make a big impact. People will learn pretty quickly by next year, things are not what they seem :)
 
The selection of Sarah Palin cost McCain my further consideration. As for the campaign in general, everything... although I think the fumbling economy, and McCain's poor response/gaffes to it, helped tip the scale for undecided voters.
 
look at the crowd at Mccain's rally: full of old people, and the lack of diversity. Look at Obama's crowd: youth and people of different ethnic backgrounds.

Republicans will never appeal to the youth because it's the nature of that party.
 
Oh yeah only the Republican campaign was nasty? Did you even pay attention to what The democratic Campaign said about Palin? She wasnt there to get the women she was there cause she was a CONSERVATIVE, something McCain isnt. He thought that would help. So did I.

You don't think it was both, she's a woman and conservative?

My point is, most people made up their mind prior to the financial crisis. The financial crisis tipped the scale for the undecided. That's what I am getting at.

Being someone who is currently unemployed, single and with a huge mortgage to pay, no. I would hope to have my situation under control before Obama is in office, since I've been unemployed 2 months now and having a hell of a time finding work.
 
A completely inept campaign....and also alot of Bush's guilty by association...
Frankly, I don't think Palin had much impact.

Not to forget, just simple bad timing.

Had Wall street not gone bankrupt, terrorism would still have been on the forefront of the debate and McCain likely would have done better.
 
To be completely honest, running a campaign that suggests you do not put your 'Country First' unless you're a Republican doesn't work very well. The McCain-Palin ticket catered to a portion of the electorate that DOES NOT CHANGE. A portion that is continually shrinking. I have said this several times - look at the composition of the people who attend the rallies, volunteered for the campaigns, etc and you will see why McCain-Palin lost.
 
I respect McCain, but I think his campain wasn't thinking outside of the box. It didn't feel as progressive as Obama's..
 
In my humble opinion, as a Democrat and Obama supporter...I think it was inconsistency.

Inconsistency in a message. The Republican party seemed to continue to change message every week. They seemed to simply throw **** to the wall to see if it stuck. Wheter it was calling Obama a celebrity one week, then eluding to him being some kind of sleeper cell terrorist the next week or calling him a socialist for two week and then hinting at him being communist....I mean, it didn't seem very cohesive, and probably why nothing stuck was because it was transparent as just things they were trying.

Whereas Obama's message has remained the same throughout. The very same.

I also think the Republican party was going to the same play this election that worked before....but simply wasn't this time. And that was a type of mantra of fear. That something bad, something horrible is coming for us and they're the ones to stop it.

Whereas the Democratic party's message was something different, about hope and the future. Very JFK-ish, I think. Which was a gamble, I suppose...to run on a platform of hope and faith in the future.

I dunno. But clearly the Republican party needs to go to the drawing board and rethink certain aspects that make the party what it is, because it's been a Democratic wholesale tonight. Wasn't just Obama, but a helluva night for the Democratic party.
 
To be completely honest, running a campaign that suggests you do not put your 'Country First' unless you're a Republican doesn't work very well. The McCain-Palin ticket catered to a portion of the electorate that DOES NOT CHANGE. A portion that is continually shrinking. I have said this several times - look at the composition of the people who attend the rallies, volunteered for the campaigns, etc and you will see why McCain-Palin lost.
Ya, that is why I think the traditional Republican party is going to die out and a new party is going to form that is separated from the religious groups.
 
Palin destroyed him.

And I think the reality of that hit Sarah tonight. You could see it on her face as John gave his speech. She was crying and I think it's because she realized she had been used as a tool of the party and nothing else.

I actually felt bad for her.
 
McCain couldnt seperate himself from Bush, the anti Republican phase...
 
I just sincerely hope that the Republican is intelligent enough to not revert back to the Religious Right. A part of me says that they will for not being 'conservative enough' this time around. Despite the fact that John McCain turned toward the harder right in an attempt to win. He became the very thing he condemned in 2000.

The future of the party does not lie in the hands of people like Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal.
 
Palin destroyed him.

And I think the reality of that hit Sarah tonight. You could see it on her face as John gave his speech. She was crying and I think it's because she realized she had been used as a tool of the party and nothing else.

I actually felt bad for her.

I disagree. McCain destroyed the Republican Party campaign. McCain should've never been the nominee. Obama was energetic, young, handsome, and an outsider. The Republicans needed one of their own. If Romney won the nomination, the history of this night would be our first Mormon president. Especially following the economic meltdown and Romney's reputation as an economic guru. The Republicans should've never nominated John McCain. They went with name recognition and it bit them in the ass. Palin certainly didn't help, but McCain was the problem. He just wasn't the right candidate for 2008.
 
Being someone who is currently unemployed, single and with a huge mortgage to pay, no. I would hope to have my situation under control before Obama is in office, since I've been unemployed 2 months now and having a hell of a time finding work.
I am sort of lost :huh:

You are drastically affected by the economic downturn and you liked Obama to begin with right? I don't see the issue here :huh:

What industry are you in?
 
I've honestly had to ask myself if it was McCain who lost this election or was it Republicans, and I really think its the latter. Really hope this brings back the old fiscal conservative, less government spending, more states right Republicans. Those were the Republicans I liked. Personally, I think McCain was the only real chance Republicans had this year. Bush and the Neo-Cons have ****ed up the country so badly, that I think only a conservative whose known for butting heads with his own party, particularly GWB, had even a remote chance of winning this year. And I give John McCain a ton of props for a super classy concession speech.
 
I disagree. McCain destroyed the Republican Party campaign. McCain should've never been the nominee. Obama was energetic, young, handsome, and an outsider. The Republicans needed one of their own. If Romney won the nomination, the history of this night would be our first Mormon president. Especially following the economic meltdown and Romney's reputation as an economic guru. The Republicans should've never nominated John McCain. They went with name recognition and it bit them in the ass. Palin certainly didn't help, but McCain was the problem. He just wasn't the right candidate for 2008.

I completely disagree. McCain did not destroy the Republican party. George W. Bush and his team did. They took the foundations of that party and **** all over it.
 
Which is what makes McCain a horrible candidate. McCain ought not have been nominated for that very reason. He was too close to Bush. McCain should not have been nominated. Maybe to take on Gore in 2004...but McCain missed his shot...it was foolish for the Republican party to give him another one.
 
There are several factors that contributed to McCain's failure:

1: He completely underestimated his opponent.

2: He never really grasped how much damage George W. did to the Republican Party.

3: He didn't distance himself from George W.

4: The nomination of Sarah Palin, a move which turned his entire campaign into a "pot calling the kettle black" scenario.
 
Was it electing Palin?

Was it the ecomony?

Was it the negative attacks?

Discuss.....

First and foremost: it was McCain. he had a big lead time while Clinton refused to concede Obama had the nomination. He sat around doing nothing to speak of to ready his campaign.

McCain IMHO is a $3 bill phony and always has been. Certainly he was one of the Keating 5 guys and his "I AM FOR CAMPAIGN REFORM" image was just that: Image. Most of what he proposed didn't pass and what did has loopholes that allow business as usual.

He had his image together in 2000 however. He kept to a simple consistent message.

In 2008, consistency for him was a matter of coincidence. The guy who stood up to thugs like Falwell once kissed the rings of these guys in near insane desire to get to be President.

Was he against Bush or with him? His answers to that were all over the map. But his voting record was easy to pin down. 90% in general much higher when the bill mattered to Bush.

Keith Olbermann made his show into a "McCain does things he accuses Obama of only worse!" carnival. And he was telling us the facts as he did so.

Palin was ultimately a bad choice. He must have figured she would help him with two groups, the hard conservative/religoius factions of the Republican party AND the disaffected Hillary supporters. Palin, looked to him like the person who could get both groups to support him.

Bad miscalcuation. Had they bothered a cursory vetting of Pallin, they'd have gone elsewhere. Too much baggage there.

Then came the economic melt down and McCain essentially destroyed what was left of his campaign. He tried to look Presidential and said he'd suspended his campaign to go back to Washington and get the bailout bill passed.

He just bet his credibility on getting THAT bill passed.

He then threw his credibility away before that by lying to David Letterman. Had he simply gone to Washington and been interviewed by Couric from Washington, he'd have looked like he was doing what he said he was doing.

So he painted himself as a liar then flew to DC. Where he didn't get the bill passed. Word from the other members of either house, Republican or Democrat named him as a big obstacle in getting the bill together and his obstancy gave the House rebels the chance to kill the bill.

At the end of that day, he not only failed to achieve what he 'suspended' the campaign' for, he was responsible for his own Party killing the bill!

He hired the people who'd slandered him for George Bush back in 2000.

His campaign finally collapsed to simple name calling "Socialist" "Muslim" and so on.

Then there was Joe the Plumber. McCain was desperate, "Joe" looked like it was a positive thing for the campaign, and he promptly over used JtP to the point of making America sick of the sonuva*****.

Joe himself was a weak performer all things considered, and tainted since he was a) the son of one of McCain's pals from the Keating/Lincoln Savings days and b) clearly someone who came up to Obama, not the other way around if you watch the video and c) lying through his teeth about being a plumber and trying to buy a plumbing business.

I also think some of his erratic behavior is mood swing medicine related.

McCain's Legendary temper didn't show up. At all.

It should have. It's absence infers something was done about it. Medication is the likely explanation for this. IMHO, the poor bastard was so pumped up on anti-anger medication he started losing it after long hard grueling days on the campaign, which was like every single day.

America noticed this.

And compared the cool and collected Obama, who answered unexpected questions with facts. They saw Obama as prepared and vigorous.

And McCain wanting.
 
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