The McCain Thread

[Matt]

The Republicans I know, like Lieberman........but yes, the staunch Republicans may have a problem with it.....the thing is............the staunch Republicans are just like the staunc Democrats.....they vote a straight party ticket......so that IMO won't be a real issue....

Unless Bloomberg decides to run. He could appeal to the staunch fiscal conservatives Republicans that defected for Perot and the staunch social liberal Democrats that defected for Nader

 

[Kelly]

Unless Bloomberg decides to run. He could appeal to the staunch fiscal conservatives Republicans that defected for Perot and the staunch social liberal Democrats that defected for Nader

Bloomberg.......

 

[Raiden]

Unless Bloomberg decides to run. He could appeal to the staunch fiscal conservatives Republicans that defected for Perot and the staunch social liberal Democrats that defected for Nader

Bloomberg is the only non-Dems I'd consider supporting. I used to like McCain but he has really turned into Bush's lapdog.

 

[The Senator]

Umm, Lieberman is an independent........he can do damn well what he pleases....... With or Without the Democrats blessing....

The same thing goes for the Democratic party, then. Since he isn't a Democrat, they have the right to kick his ass out of the Democratic leadership, which is what they should have done in the first place.

 

[CorpusBlack]

The same thing goes for the Democratic party, then. Since he isn't a Democrat, they have the right to kick his ass out of the Democratic leadership, which is what they should have done in the first place.

What?

 

[Matt]

Bloomberg.......

Are you a fan as well, Kel? I personally love the idea of a third party candidate who funds his own campaigns, has limitless resources, and is in absolutely no one's pocket.

 

[Matt]

Bloomberg is the only non-Dems I'd consider supporting. I used to like McCain but he has really turned into Bush's lapdog.

I feel the same way. How anyone could endorse a man who has called your adopted child your Vietnamese love child and state that you went crazy in a POW camp is beyond me...

 

[CorpusBlack]

Are you a fan as well, Kel? I personally love the idea of a third party candidate who funds his own campaigns, has limitless resources, and is in absolutely no one's pocket.

That's my personal goal one day.

 

[The Senator]

What?

I didn't think I needed to explain that, but okay. Lieberman is an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. He's not technically a member of the Democratic Party. Before becoming an independent, Lieberman had seniority. He was the ranking member on the Homeland Security Committee, and the Democrats offered him the chairmanship of that committee to guarantee that he would caucus with the dems, thereby ensuring a Democratic majority in the Senate. Lieberman has since played the Democratic Party. He won't support their number one issue-- ending the war in Iraq-- but he is still allowed to caucus with the dems and hold a position of power in the Senate.

I have become so disgusted with Joe Lieberman that I personally think the Democratic party ought to kick his ass off the Homeland Security committee, which would give him nothing to lose, thereby allowing him the perfect opportunity to switch sides-- which is what he should have done a long time ago. I honestly think that they will do this in 2009, since the Democrats will probably win two or three senate seats, which would allow them to keep a majority even if they did kick Lieberman out.

 

[kedrell]

I would be interested in that...
McCain and Lieberman are actually quite close friends...so that might realistically happen.

I'd f**kin' love that! If they won we'd finally have a more moderate voice in the White House, both as Prez & Vice-Prez. I'm sick of all the right-wing religious nutjobs & their commie/socialist wacko counterparts. Lieberman's one of only 2 Dems I've ever liked anyway, the other being Bill Richardson, but that's more cause he's just a nice guy and he dropped out anyway.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Speaking of someone wanting to stay relevant...

Actually Lieberman is very relevant in the Senate. He represents the Democratic majority in the Senate. If they pissed him off again like they did in his re-election campaign, he could give the majority to the Republicans if he decided to no longer caucus with them.

So as Kel said he can do whatever he damn well pleases and as CorpusBlack said he can kick the Democrats in the balls over and over as many times he wants and get away with it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

It would actually be really interesting to watch. On one hand, McCain is already going to have enough trouble reaching out to his party's base. Then again, in many ways, Lieberman is more conservative than McCain. But McCain also has trouble reaching out to democrats...and I don't think Lieberman will help him. John Kerry on the other hand would probably clinche the presidency for him. But he told Kerry no, so I doubt Kerry would accept his offer.

I don't think the Democratic vote would matter if it were McCain/Lieberman.

Republicans will vote for a Republican President, there's no way the Republicans will have another Ross Perot for a while and the Democrats won't have another Ralph Nader, they'll try and ensure that by telling and scaring their voters that if they vote third party the opposing side will end up in the White House.

The independent/moderate vote would flock to a McCain (Republican)/Lieberman (independent Democrat) ticket. Due to their history of being willing to work with the opposition unlike what George Bush, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid have done. The fact that the ticket is composed of a moderate conservative and a moderate liberal who can work very well together.

And yes Lieberman is a rather moderate liberal, he's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, supports enviromental efforts, against Social Security privatization, supports a larger effort into health care, etc. His hawkish foreign policy beliefs, his criticism on the entertainment industry, and his willingness to work with Republicans is what gives him the reputation of a DINO.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Bloomberg is the only non-Dems I'd consider supporting. I used to like McCain but he has really turned into Bush's lapdog.

Meh, McCain only really did it so he could try and get the Republican nomination and woo the evangellical vote. Since they've pretty much rejected him, I felt the spirit of pre-suck up McCain start to return.

 

[Matt]

I don't think the Democratic vote would matter if it were McCain/Lieberman.

Republicans will vote for a Republican President, there's no way the Republicans will have another Ross Perot for a while and the Democrats won't have another Ralph Nader, they'll try and ensure that by telling and scaring their voters that if they vote third party the opposing side will end up in the White House.

The independent/moderate vote would flock to a McCain (Republican)/Lieberman (independent Democrat) ticket. Due to their history of being willing to work with the opposition unlike what George Bush, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid have done. The fact that the ticket is composed of a moderate conservative and a moderate liberal who can work very well together.

And yes Lieberman is a rather moderate liberal, he's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, supports enviromental efforts, against Social Security privatization, supports a larger effort into health care, etc. His hawkish foreign policy beliefs, his criticism on the entertainment industry, and his willingness to work with Republicans is what gives him the reputation of a DINO.

If Bloomberg gets in the race (and sources are claiming he has formed an exploratory committee), he could very well off-set the moderate support of Lieberman and McCain as he is pretty much the ultimate moderate. He could also take some of the fiscal conservative support away. At the same time, he would take a lot of the socially liberal votes away from Democrats. And unlike Nader, he has enough money to run a REAL nationwide campaign that could off-set any third party fear mongering from either side. He could really cluster-**** both sides.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If Bloomberg gets in the race (and sources are claiming he has formed an exploratory committee), he could very well off-set the moderate support of Lieberman and McCain as he is pretty much the ultimate moderate. He could also take some of the fiscal conservative support away. At the same time, he would take a lot of the socially liberal votes away from Democrats. And unlike Nader, he has enough money to run a REAL nationwide campaign that could off-set any third party fear mongering from either side. He could really cluster-**** both sides.

But here's the thing, would Bloomberg really run against a McCain/Lieberman ticket. Most of his beliefs would be covered. Pro free trade. Supporter of the Iraq War. Fiscally conservative. Supporter of immigration. Pro stem cell research. Pro-enviroment.

The only major difference is that a Bloomberg ticket would be pro gay rights and pro abortion while a McCain/Lieberman ticket would be neutral.

I really doubt that Bloomberg would run if there was a McCain/Lieberman ticket because voters would be essentially voting for the same guy either way. I only see Bloomberg running if candidates like Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton took the ticket.

 

[Raiden]

The independent/moderate vote would flock to a McCain (Republican)/Lieberman (independent Democrat) ticket. Due to their history of being willing to work with the opposition unlike what George Bush, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid have done. The fact that the ticket is composed of a moderate conservative and a moderate liberal who can work very well together.

And yes Lieberman is a rather moderate liberal, he's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, supports enviromental efforts, against Social Security privatization, supports a larger effort into health care, etc. His hawkish foreign policy beliefs, his criticism on the entertainment industry, and his willingness to work with Republicans is what gives him the reputation of a DINO.

Would Republican voters vote for a VP who is pro-choice, pro-gay, and pro-gun control? If McCain won and something happened to him (like his health issues), Lieberman would become the Prez and GOP will have a moderate-to-left commander-in-chief as their president.

 

[Matt]

But here's the thing, would Bloomberg really run against a McCain/Lieberman ticket. Most of his beliefs would be covered. Pro free trade. Supporter of the Iraq War. Fiscally conservative. Supporter of immigration. Pro stem cell research. Pro-enviroment.

The only major difference is that a Bloomberg ticket would be pro gay rights and pro abortion while a McCain/Lieberman ticket would be neutral.

I really doubt that Bloomberg would run if there was a McCain/Lieberman ticket because voters would be essentially voting for the same guy either way. I only see Bloomberg running if candidates like Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton took the ticket.

Hmm, a fair point. I think if Bloomberg is to run though, he would enter the campaign before McCain has the nomination locked up (as this Republican primary is going to be a real fight for the nomination) and well before he can start deciding on running mates.

Speaking of Bloomberg, what are your thoughts H_H? Go to the third party thread and share them with us. Personally, the more I read on the man, the more I love him.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Would Republican voters vote for a VP who is pro-choice, pro-gay, and pro-gun control? If McCain won and something happened to him (like his health issues), Lieberman would become the Prez and GOP will have a moderate-to-left commander-in-chief as their president.

Most members of a political party are nothing but ignorant sheep. They'll vote for Republicans or Democrats simply because of their party affiliation.

And the GOP leadership would most likely scare evangellical voters and other conservatives that voting for a conservative third party would cause a Democratic victory.

 

[Matt]

Most members of a political party are nothing but ignorant sheep. They'll vote for Republicans or Democrats simply because of their party affiliation.

And the GOP leadership would most likely scare evangellical voters and other conservatives that voting for a conservative third party would cause a Democratic victory.

Both points are true, but that is what intrigues me about Bloomberg. He has the money and resources that no other third party candidate has before. He could easily be sending out his own messages with just as much frequency and on a national level in order to off-set the two parties'. I think at the very least, he could make an incredibly strong showing and maybe open the eyes of some people and let them see that we do have alternatives.

 

[Malice]

You know what I absolutely abhore...
Strait party voting...
They dont know anything of the people, they simply vote all Democrats or all Republicans...

I dont think that has any place on a ballot

 

[hippie_hunter]

Both points are true, but that is what intrigues me about Bloomberg. He has the money and resources that no other third party candidate has before. He could easily be sending out his own messages with just as much frequency and on a national level in order to off-set the two parties'. I think at the very least, he could make an incredibly strong showing and maybe open the eyes of some people and let them see that we do have alternatives.

I think that there is no way in hell that Bloomberg would run with a McCain/Lieberman ticket. He'd be negating himself along with McCain/Lieberman leading to a Democratic victory, which I doubt either of them want. If a McCain/Lieberman ticket happened, I'd imagine that Bloomberg would endorse them.

Bloomberg if Bloomberg is going to run, I'd imagine that he's waiting to see who the Republican front-runner will be after Super Tuesday. I'd doubt he'd run if Giuliani or McCain became the frontrunner, but if Thompson, Huckabee, or Romney got the spot then I'd see him announce it come March.

 

[Matt]

Probably an accurate summation.

 

[cookiva]

You know what I absolutely abhore...
Strait party voting...
They dont know anything of the people, they simply vote all Democrats or all Republicans...

I dont think that has any place on a ballot

I have a friend who did that in 04. I showed him some of the people he voted for, and he was disgusted. He called himself a republican (his family is, and we all know how family can influence politcal ideas), and now is a very individually minded moderate. He felt so bad that he voted straight party.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I have a friend who did that in 04. I showed him some of the people he voted for, and he was disgusted. He called himself a republican (his family is, and we all know how family can influence politcal ideas), and now is a very individually minded moderate. He felt so bad that he voted straight party.

We all know what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Matt]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfhk6o1Jr_acakpTb4uZoSTZ11VQD8ULQKMO0

Hehe