The McCain Thread

[Tron5000]

I know that about Condi. I hope you guys noted the reference I was making to the Obama-Wright connection.

 

[jaguarr]

You're seriously trying to equate the relationship Condi Rice has to President Bush to the one Rev. Wright has with Obama? Seriously? For serious?

jag

 

[hippie_hunter]

I know that about Condi. I hope you guys noted the reference I was making to the Obama-Wright connection.

It's a rather faulty comparision. While Obama's a lying scumbag when it comes to Wright, but he won't be an integral part of his government like Rice was to Bush.

 

[Tron5000]

You're seriously trying to equate the relationship Condi Rice has to President Bush to the one Rev. Wright has with Obama? Seriously? For serious?

jag

Jesus, a guy can't make a joke around here anymore, I see.

The point I was making in the original post was that it would be impossible to separate Condi from Bush, as I feel Obama's weak arguments about his relationship with Wright show that trying to separate the 2 of them is likewise impossible.

 

[jaguarr]

Jesus, a guy can't make a joke around here anymore, I see.

The point I was making in the original post was that it would be impossible to separate Condi from Bush, as I feel Obama's weak arguments about his relationship with Wright show that trying to separate the 2 of them is likewise impossible.

So, is it a joke you were trying to make or a point?



jag

 

[Tron5000]

So, is it a joke you were trying to make or a point?



jag

How does "trying to make a point in a joking manner" grab you? That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[jaguarr]

jag

 

[SuperMonkey]

Romney. It's the only thing that will save his ticket for the far-righters.

 

[StorminNorman]

My dream candidates are J.C. Watts or Colin Powell. I am almost positive Powell would not accept it, but J.C. Watts probably would.

Romney is also very strong for me, for obvious reasons.

I have a feeling that McCain's pick will be universally looked upon as a successful idea though.

 

[Matt]

Well, so long as he doesn't pick another old, cranky, Washington insider, it will be a good move for him. McCain doesn't need to reinvent the wheel with his choice. He just needs to pick someone young, conservative, energetic, experienced, but also an outsider.

 

[StorminNorman]

Well, so long as he doesn't pick another old, cranky, Washington insider, it will be a good move for him. McCain doesn't need to reinvent the wheel with his choice. He just needs to pick someone young, conservative, energetic, experienced, but also an outsider.

Huckabee is not a good choice. Any evangelical politician is not a good choice. McCain has the tricky task of needing a candidate that conservatives will not reject (Lieberman) but at the same time can have decent appeal with non-conservatives.

 

[Matt]

Agreed. They have to be socially moderate but conservative on fiscal and foreign policy issues. I think his best bet would be an unknown politican people have never heard of like the governor of a small state (again, another reason Palin would've been perfect). He should also try to slip the choice in while people are distracted by the Democratic in-fighting. No scrutiny.

 

[SuperMonkey]

^Which is pretty much Romney, no?

 

[SuBe]

Home | John McCain
McCain Calls on Congress to Institute a ‘Gas-Tax Holiday’

by Associated Press
Tuesday, April 15, 2008


McCain wants the federal government to free people from paying gasoline taxes this summer and ensure that college students can secure loans this fall, a pair of proposals aimed at stemming pain from the country’s troubled economy. At the same time, the certain Republican presidential nominee says Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton would impose the single largest tax increase since World War II by allowing tax cuts pushed to passage by President Bush to expire.
“Both promise big ‘change.’ And a trillion dollars in new taxes over the next decade would certainly fit that description,” McCain said in remarks prepared for delivery Tuesday. “All these tax increases are the fine print under the slogan of ‘hope:’ They’re going to raise your taxes by thousands of dollars per year — and they have the audacity to hope you don’t mind.”
That was a play on the title of an Obama book.
McCain twice voted against the very tax cuts he now supports; he says failing to extend them would amount to tax increases for millions of people.
The four-term Arizona senator was presenting his proposals — and blistering his Democratic rivals — in a wide-ranging economic speech at Carnegie Mellon University.
It’s part of an ongoing effort to counter the notion — fueled by his own previous comments — that he’s not as strong on the economy as he is on other issues. He’s also seeking to fend off criticism from Democrats, including Obama and Clinton, that his small-government, free-market stances don’t mesh with people feeling the pinch — particularly those hurting now.
His speech comes a day after he said he believes the country has already entered a recession, a label the Bush administration has resisted even as a credit crisis, a housing slump, soaring energy costs and rising layoffs combined to soften the economy.
To help people weather the downturn immediately, McCain was calling for Congress to institute a “gas-tax holiday” by suspending the 18.4 cent federal gas tax and 24.4 cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day. He also renewed his call for the United States to stop adding to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and thus lessen to some extent the worldwide demand for oil.
Combined, he said, the two proposals would reduce gas prices, which would have a trickle-down effect and “help to spread relief across the American economy.”
Addressing the feared fallout of the ongoing credit crunch, McCain also said the Education Department should work with the country’s governors to make sure that each state’s guarantee agency — nonprofits that traditionally back student loans issued by banks — has both the means and the manpower to be the lender-of-last-resort for student loans.
Lawmakers, students and financial experts are worried that the credit crisis might make it more difficult for students and their families to find loans. Nearly two dozen lenders have dropped out of the federally backed student loan program.
Among other proposals, McCain said he would:
–Raise the tax exemption for each dependent child from $3,500 to $7,000.
–Require more affluent people — couples making more than $160,000 — enrolled in Medicare to pay a higher premium for their prescription drugs than less-wealthy people.
–Offer people the option of choosing a simpler tax system with two tax rates and a standard deduction instead of sticking with the current system.
–Suspend for one year all increases in discretionary spending for agencies other than those that cover the military and veterans while launching an expansive review of the effectiveness of federal program.

 

[Darthphere]

....And that's why we need the Fairtax.

 

[SuBe]

....And that's why we need the Fairtax.

Yes sir!!!

 

[Matt]

Someone finally has the balls to say it. However, it is important to remember, if we are going to remove the taxes, we're going to need to cap prices and further investigate price gouging. If we are going to remove oil companies' taxes, they are going to have to accept further regulation.

Obama wrote a letter to President Bush encouraging him to keep the tariff and taxes in place.

This is the kind of stuff people want to hear. If McCain keeps this up, while the Democrats are down in the mud, McCain is offering solutions where it really matters to people. Their pockets. If he keeps this up, he could get a huge lead by the time the Democrats figure out just who the hell their nominee is.

 

[Zen]

this is a terrible Idea.

the taxes are the main source of income for paying for roads, and as such distribute that cost amongst those who use the road the most. those of us who drive less than the national average will be subsidizing the roads for those of you who drive more than the national average.

party of individual responsibility? Can we socialize healthcare too, while were at it?

if your going to cut taxes cut business taxes, that at least makes more sense.

artificially driving up demand magically won't drive up the price? The total price of gas should be cheaper for the duration of the 'tax cut', but the corresponding increase in demand would drive up the underlying oil price so when the tax came back it would only serve to make prices higher than they already were. Not to mention the loss of revenue would only further degrade our budget for infrastructure maintenance.

well...
they tried this in Illinois once... dropped the 10 cent gas tax, sometime around 2002 er 3 i beleive, heres what happened...

1. Gas prices did not go down, they remained the same
2. After tax went back into effect, gas prices immediately rose 10 cents

so either it doesnt work at all as intended

or

Hooray! McCain is not going to let us pay $3.50 a gallon for a few weeks! We'll only have to pay $3.35.
Robust economy, here we come!


Note to self:

Buy about 500 of those red gas cans

Scratch that

New note: Buy stock in company that makes gas cans

 

[Zen]

Someone finally has the balls to say it. However, it is important to remember, if we are going to remove the taxes, we're going to need to cap prices and further investigate price gouging. If we are going to remove oil companies' taxes, they are going to have to accept further regulation.

Obama wrote a letter to President Bush encouraging him to keep the tariff and taxes in place.

This is the kind of stuff people want to hear. If McCain keeps this up, while the Democrats are down in the mud, McCain is offering solutions where it really matters to people. Their pockets. If he keeps this up, he could get a huge lead by the time the Democrats figure out just who the hell their nominee is.

this is a prime example of why 4 years of McCain would cripple us beyond whatever hope some have of a shinning Democrat coming to save us in the next election of 2012. Crap like this... which would get deceptively pushed through on the wims of people who are struggling... we will end up worse off after there little damn "holiday".

Warner would have to just throw himself on the fire... tell the american people that "look... we have to suck it up and make some reparations, and its going to be hard for a few years... what did you expect after 12 years of this same garbage?"

I wonder if Warner has the ability to inspire people enough to do that... hmmm, i wonder what other inspirational figures are out there that might be able to do such a thing...




Some people say Gas prices effect every aspect of our economy. That is the worst thing to raise taxes on. We need to find ways to lower energy costs not raise them.

I look at other countries who's tax is astronomically higher than ours...

In the UK something like 72% of the final cost of petrol is tax, the average in the US is 10%. Overall tax is about 50% higher than the rate it is in the US (37% of GDP vs 26.8%). Despite this, productivity in the UK is almost exactly in line, GDP per capita (PPP) is a similar figure, standards of living are broadly the same, and by a number of measures is higher than the US.

 

[Zen]

We need to start Freight training goods more. you can move tons of frieght 100's of miles on a gallon or 2 of fuel.

 

[Superman]

This is nothing more than a stunt to win votes. It will do nothing to help and we will probably be worse off in the end.

 

[Orson_Randall]

Wise and savy moove should help with votes...
this country is on the brink, and people don't even know it....

 

[fifthfiend]

At the same time, the certain Republican presidential nominee says Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton would impose the single largest tax increase since World War II by allowing tax cuts pushed to passage by President Bush to expire.

Because those tax cuts have made our lives sooooooooo much ****in' better in the last eight years, right? Hey guys, remember how the last eight years was TOTALLY AWESOME thanks to Bush's tax cuts, with no stagnant economy or collapsing housing market or bankrupt state governments or crumbling national infrastructure or anything totally awful like that?

I don't know if nobody ever bothered to teach McCain math or Alzheimers has claimed his ability to do basic arithmetic but somebody should really ask him how we're ever going to pay for the fantastically expensive war which he has enthusiastically cheerleaded for the last seven years and which his tax-cuttin' buddy Bush has financed via record-setting budget deficts, without putting through any kind of tax increases?

And if he starts to say something about the Laffer curve seriously, just lock him up somewhere where he can't do more harm than he already has.

Fairtax.

Ew.

 

[Malice]

I found an interesting site. LINK

A bunch of his thoughts on Taxes

 

[CorpusBlack]

Thanks for posting the article SuBe.

I found an interesting site. LINK

A bunch of his thoughts on Taxes

And Malice, thanks for the link. I'll read thru it in a bit when I have more time.