The McCain Thread

[jaguarr]

Would you not concede, however, that Mitt's hair could run this country better than it has been for the past 8 years

Mitt's hair is in Cheney's pocket, so I don't trust it, no matter how much more competent Mitt's hair might be than the current President.

jag

 

[The Senator]

Bloomberg is way too liberal for McCain. So is Lieberman. I'm not sure why anyone would think either candidate would be good for him, though both candidates might help with Jewish voters.

 

[StorminNorman]

I wish Bloomberg would be willing to VP for someone. I can't stand watching Mitt "the ken doll" Romney for more than a few seconds at a time. ALSO, he out spent every Republican candidate, by millions in the states where he campaigned, and still couldn't win those states......I don't think people like him as much as he likes himself.

He won the majority of Republican support in New Hampshire and Florida, sadly McCain won enough indepedents and democrats to overcome that.

With Michigan so close, Romney could put McCain over the top there, he also has more economic experience than any candidate that ran in the primaries for either party.

He has the support of conservatives, yet still was successful as governor in a liberal state like Massachusetts and he has the charisma that McCain lacks in spades - it makes him McCain's perfect compliment.

 

[jaguarr]

I wish Bloomberg would be willing to VP for someone. I can't stand watching Mitt "the ken doll" Romney for more than a few seconds at a time. ALSO, he out spent every Republican candidate, by millions in the states where he campaigned, and still couldn't win those states......I don't think people like him as much as he likes himself.

"Vote for me because I am awesome. And rich. Which makes me even more awesome."

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

"Vote for me because I am awesome. And rich. Which makes me even more awesome."

jag

I support anyone that runs a truthful campaign

 

[The Senator]

He won the majority of Republican support in New Hampshire and Florida, sadly McCain won enough indepedents and democrats to overcome that.

With Michigan so close, Romney could put McCain over the top there, he also has more economic experience than any candidate that ran in the primaries for either party.

He has the support of conservatives, yet still was successful as governor in a liberal state like Massachusetts and he has the charisma that McCain lacks in spades - it makes him McCain's perfect compliment.

I highly doubt Romney will be the sole factor which puts McCain over the top in Michigan, if such a scenario plays out. He's the wrong Romney for the spot.

Of course, if McCain resurrects George Romney, he might have a chance. After all, he marched right alongside Martin Luther King, Jr. during the Civil Rights movement, so I'm sure he'll get some African American support there. Plus, Romney's corpse would definitely bring a youthful component to the campaign...

 

[jaguarr]

I support anyone that runs a truthful campaign

At least he'd be very difficult to assassinate because his head is bulletproof.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

I highly doubt Romney will be the sole factor which puts McCain over the top in Michigan, if such a scenario plays out. He's the wrong Romney for the spot.

Of course, if McCain resurrects George Romney, he might have a chance. After all, he marched right alongside Martin Luther King, Jr. during the Civil Rights movement, so I'm sure he'll get some African American support there. Plus, Romney's corpse would definitely bring a youthful component to the campaign...

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

I highly doubt Romney will be the sole factor which puts McCain over the top in Michigan, if such a scenario plays out. He's the wrong Romney for the spot.

Sole factor? No. A factor? Yes.

 

[Marx]

"Vote for me because I am awesome. And rich. Which makes me even more awesome."

jag

 

[lazur]

Hey laz...

whens the last time a president cut the ACTUAL yearly deficit so much that it got down to 17 billion... screw your definition of surplus, there was some serious undeniable progress on the debt under clinton.

look at the trend form when he got in office till 2000

Hey Zen,

No one is disputing that progress was made in reducing the deficit. What's being contested, however, is this theory of a 'surplus' under Clinton.

It didn't happen.

 

[lazur]

hmmmmm....i scrolled up and i still say it's true. not 100%, but it's pretty much true.

Ah okay, well if you want to use your 'opinion' to dispute the facts as plainly displayed at the actual US TREASURY WEBSITE, be my guest. All it does is demonstrate your partisan leanings.

 

[DorkyFresh]

well....the last few republican presidents putting the country far more into debt than the last democrat isn't just an opinion.


as for your partisan comment, i find it ironic that it came from you.

 

[Kelly]

He won the majority of Republican support in New Hampshire and Florida, sadly McCain won enough indepedents and democrats to overcome that.

With Michigan so close, Romney could put McCain over the top there, he also has more economic experience than any candidate that ran in the primaries for either party.

He has the support of conservatives, yet still was successful as governor in a liberal state like Massachusetts and he has the charisma that McCain lacks in spades - it makes him McCain's perfect compliment.

Um, that's pretty much a no brainer there SN, the problem is.........McCain won't have a problem with Republicans.........HE NEEDS the independent vote.....Romney IS NOT going to get him that vote.

So what you have here is.....

1. A guy that has the Republican favor...
2. A guy that has the support of Conservatives...
3. A guy that is liked in Massachusetts...
4. A guy that has more charisma than McCain...

And that makes him a "perfect" compliment to McCain???????????????

Stormiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnn.......come on....you're smarter than that.....

 

[rdh007]

I highly doubt Romney will be the sole factor which puts McCain over the top in Michigan, if such a scenario plays out. He's the wrong Romney for the spot.

Of course, if McCain resurrects George Romney, he might have a chance. After all, he marched right alongside Martin Luther King, Jr. during the Civil Rights movement, so I'm sure he'll get some African American support there. Plus, Romney's corpse would definitely bring a youthful component to the campaign...

As a proud Michigander who has a picture of my grandfather w/Governor Romney (he was one of the original "Mad Men" types and they'd helped the state launch an ad campaign), I can tell you that I whole-heartedly agree with Mitt when he said he was a shadow of the real deal. However, as I've said numerous times, Mitt was preferable to me as a Republican nominee over everyone else because of his willingness to listen to his constituents in Massachusetts and his relative sanity.

Having said all that, even if he picks Romney, I can only say this about McCain's chances here:

[Moses]From my cold dead hands![/Moses]

 

[Tron5000]

As a proud Michigander who has a picture of my grandfather w/Governor Romney (he was one of the original "Mad Men" types and they'd helped the state launch an ad campaign), I can tell you that I whole-heartedly agree with Mitt when he said he was a shadow of the real deal. However, as I've said numerous times, Mitt was preferable to me as a Republican nominee over everyone else because of his willingness to listen to his constituents in Massachusetts and his relative sanity.

Having said all that, even if he picks Romney, I can only say this about McCain's chances here:

[Moses]From my cold dead hands![/Moses]

My roommate has a shirt with Charlton Heston's (God rest his soul) picture and "From My Cold Dead Hands!" across the top. He also has a shirt with a picture of Hillary dressed up like Uncle Sam with "I Want Your Guns!" on it. Both from the NRA. They're awesome.

 

[lazur]

well....the last few republican presidents putting the country far more into debt than the last democrat isn't just an opinion.


as for your partisan comment, i find it ironic that it came from you.

Ugh, of course, since there were MORE republican Presidents (3 to 1), but Clinton is not any less guilty of driving our country further into debt. Remember, under Clinton we still sank a further 1.4 trillion into debt. Just because he didn't spend the entire budget each year during his Presidency doesn't mean we experienced a surplus. Also, bear in mind that Clinton BORROWED from social security to bring the deficit down. All he did was move debt from one location to another, which was apparently enough to convince die-hard dems that he was doing something good...

 

[StorminNorman]

Um, that's pretty much a no brainer there SN, the problem is.........McCain won't have a problem with Republicans.........HE NEEDS the independent vote.....Romney IS NOT going to get him that vote.

So what you have here is.....

1. A guy that has the Republican favor...
2. A guy that has the support of Conservatives...
3. A guy that is liked in Massachusetts...
4. A guy that has more charisma than McCain...

And that makes him a "perfect" compliment to McCain???????????????

Stormiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnn.......come on....you're smarter than that.....

There is a difference in having the Republican nomination and getting the vote of Republicans and having support from the Republican base.

I am managing a Republican Sheriff's campaign in North Florida - I have a good feel for the pulse of Southern Conservatives, they don't like McCain but they will vote for him. McCain needs that base to do more than just vote for him, he needs them to SUPPORT him. He needs people that volunteered for Bush to volunteer for McCain. He needs the people that opened their checkbook for Bush to open it for McCain.

Romney does that - he energizes the conservative base. He gives conservatives a reason to VOTE for the ticket, not AGAINST Obama's.

So what you have with Romney is a guy that:
1. A guy that has the Republican favor...
2. A guy that has the support of Conservatives...
3. A guy that is liked in Massachusetts and Michigan...
4. A guy that has more charisma than McCain...
5. A guy that brings expertise in the economy...
6. A guy that can raise money...
7. A guy that helps with the mormon vote in states like Colorado and Nevada...
8. A guy that is qualified to be President tomorrow...
9. A guy that does not harm your campaign...

Show me one candidate who brings the equivilant of that to the table...

 

[Kelly]

There is a difference in having the Republican nomination and getting the vote of Republicans and having support from the Republican base.

I am managing a Republican Sheriff's campaign in North Florida - I have a good feel for the pulse of Southern Conservatives, they don't like McCain but they will vote for him. McCain needs that base to do more than just vote for him, he needs them to SUPPORT him. He needs people that volunteered for Bush to volunteer for McCain. He needs the people that opened their checkbook for Bush to open it for McCain.

Romney does that - he energizes the conservative base. He gives conservatives a reason to VOTE for the ticket, not AGAINST Obama's.

So what you have with Romney is a guy that:
1. A guy that has the Republican favor...
2. A guy that has the support of Conservatives...
3. A guy that is liked in Massachusetts and Michigan...
4. A guy that has more charisma than McCain...
5. A guy that brings expertise in the economy...
6. A guy that can raise money...
7. A guy that helps with the mormon vote in states like Colorado and Nevada...
8. A guy that is qualified to be President tomorrow...
9. A guy that does not harm your campaign...

Show me one candidate who brings the equivilant of that to the table...

Someone that can definitely bring you Florida for one....
Someone that can bring you the majority percentage of "independent" votes, and maybe even a small percentage of democratic voters....and widen the southern lead in states.


COOOOOOOOOOME ON......Those Republican voters that vote a straight ticket, and that would be those 60+ voters, a large % by the way, are going to vote for McCain, good lord. All the talk about not voting for him was for the primaries, NOT the general election.

And I'm sorry, but Michigan and Massachusetts are going to go blue once again. Florida is up for grabs, and Florida alone has 2 less electoral votes than both states you mentioned put together. AND, you need someone to shore up the southern votes especially in Georgia and Tennessee, and I don't believe Romney can do that....because if McCain loses Florida, Georgia and Tennesse.....Michigan and Massachusetts won't do him a damn bit of good.

So, IMO, McCain has to choose someone that will push him into the lead in the south, rather than trying to get 2 states that will probably go blue as usual, OR someone that can pull that large female vote away from Obama. 60+ blue collar plus a good hold of the female vote will win for McCain, OR getting back those southern states that we have lost ground in, in the last 8 years.

 

[rdh007]

Tennessee and Georgia aren't really in play. Sam Nunn or not, it ain't happenin'.

 

[StorminNorman]

Someone that can definitely bring you Florida for one....
Someone that can bring you the majority percentage of "independent" votes, and maybe even a small percentage of democratic voters....and widen the southern lead in states.

There isn't an electable Republican that can deliver you Florida.

Crist has too many skeletons to survive a VP vetting - and plus he isn't a favorite among Conservatives.

Martinez isn't eligable.

Jeb Bush would actually be a great choice if his name was Jeb Smith.

Yes - in theory such a candidate you described would be great, but he doesn't exist.

COOOOOOOOOOME ON......Those Republican voters that vote a straight ticket, and that would be those 60+ voters, a large % by the way, are going to vote for McCain, good lord. All the talk about not voting for him was for the primaries, NOT the general election.

...yea - I said just that too. However many of those same voters wouldn't just vote for him, but volunteer for McCain and donate to McCain. The incentive to do that ISN'T there right now.

And I'm sorry, but Michigan and Massachusetts are going to go blue once again. Florida is up for grabs, and Florida alone has 2 less electoral votes than both states you mentioned put together. AND, you need someone to shore up the southern votes especially in Georgia and Tennessee, and I don't believe Romney can do that....because if McCain loses Florida, Georgia and Tennesse.....Michigan and Massachusetts won't do him a damn bit of good.

Massachusetts is going to be blue, I never disputed that - but Michigan is very much purple.

Michigan will be won by a far smaller percentage than either Tennessee or Georgia. Tennessee and Georgia are not going to Obama, thats not a real worry here.

So, IMO, McCain has to choose someone that will push him into the lead in the south, rather than trying to get 2 states that will probably go blue as usual, OR someone that can pull that large female vote away from Obama. 60+ blue collar plus a good hold of the female vote will win for McCain, OR getting back those southern states that we have lost ground in, in the last 8 years.

There is not a candidate that can pull a large female vote away from Obama. Palin is militarily anti-abortion and she is the only woman that makes for an attractive VP spot.

Huckabee could get the southern vote and alienate more people than he brings on. Haley Barbor isn't interested in the position. Crist would help in Florida, but he won't be a VP candidate.

Again - in theory you aren't incorrect, but I don't see a candidate that fits that bill.

And again - you overlook the importance of having an economics guru as a VP when the economy is the first, second and third issue on everyone's mind.

 

[Tron5000]

Dale Murphy for VP. He'll carry the Southern vote, as well as the Mormon vote. GA, FL and UT. Bring it on.

 

[rdh007]

^ Perfect. Now for Obama to pick a former Lt. Governor candidate from Louisiana:

All the southern pandering is done, let's move up north and start picking cabinet members.

 

[BlackLantern]

do they have cosplayers at these conventions??

 

[StorminNorman]

Not normally, but Al Gore is sponsoring an epic Yu-Gi-Oh tournament in Denver.