The McCain Thread

[jaguarr]

I believe Pawlenty is at the top of McCain's shortlist and is a very likely choice for the position. Which I think would be swell, since Pawlenty would be the equivalent of McCain picking a jar of mayonnaise* as his running mate.

*Lite mayonaisse.

jag

 

[Kelly]

I think the first Bush was/is, one of the most intelligent people out there as far as foreign policy, hell social democratic professors even use many of his books when teaching foreign policy, I had one of those professors. But my god, his domestic policy sucked big time, and for McCain to EVEN get close to that stupidity is just ridiculous. NOW, IF he campaigned on "spending less", then he could make a good case, and MANY AMERICANS would certainly listen. But, only the 60+ straight Republican ticket voters will listen to this kind of crap, and they are going to vote for him anyway.

DOES HE NOT HAVE ANYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN THAT IS 35 to 45 years old? That has some sort of thought process on what that age group wants and sees as important?

*shakes head*

 

[kainedamo]

I think McCain's negative attacks about Obama wanting to raise taxes are ridiculous. I mean, looking at the economic situation of the US, how the hell are ya gonna solve these issues without raising taxes somewhere??

 

[kytrigger]

I think it would ensure he wins the independent vote. But like I said, he feels entitled. He probably won't do it.

I think it wouldnot only ensure the independent vote, but it would actually look very favorable towards a somewhat large amount of democrats who either don't think Obama is that good of a choice, or just believe he is still too inexperienced at this time to become president. They might think that since they don't really like either of them, they might as well go for the the 4 year and just look forward to the next election.

while the number of democrats that think this wouldn't be gargantuan, I think that number plus the independent vote would definately lock in a win for McCain.

 

[Kelly]

I think McCain's negative attacks about Obama wanting to raise taxes are ridiculous. I mean, looking at the economic situation of the US, how the hell are ya gonna solve these issues without raising taxes somewhere??

BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH........



I feel strongly about this.....

 

[jaguarr]

I think the first Bush was/is, one of the most intelligent people out there as far as foreign policy, hell social democratic professors even use many of his books when teaching foreign policy, I had one of those professors. But my god, his domestic policy sucked big time, and for McCain to EVEN get close to that stupidity is just ridiculous. NOW, IF he campaigned on "spending less", then he could make a good case, and MANY AMERICANS would certainly listen. But, only the 60+ straight Republican ticket voters will listen to this kind of crap, and they are going to vote for him anyway.

DOES HE NOT HAVE ANYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN THAT IS 35 to 45 years old? That has some sort of thought process on what that age group wants and sees as important?

*shakes head*

You nailed Bush Sr. perfectly; great foreign policy, terrible domestic policy.

BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH........



I feel strongly about this.....

I agree with this to an extent. Yes, we spend way too much but the money we do spend now is either spent unwisely and inefficiently or on the wrong damn things. Getting some of those things cleaned up would make a huge impact. Especially when coupled with a more frugal approach.

jag

 

[Kelly]

You nailed Bush Sr. perfectly; great foreign policy, terrible domestic policy.



I agree with this to an extent. Yes, we spend way too much but the money we do spend now is either spent unwisely and inefficiently or on the wrong damn things. Getting some of those things cleaned up would make a huge impact. Especially when coupled with a more frugal approach.

jag

Totally agree....

 

[StorminNorman]

Hmm, I dunno. I think McCain's advisors are probably telling him Romney or Palin. Powell would be good if it were not for the fact that he is tied so deeply to Bush...furthermore, Powell's only reason for being on the ticket would be to bring in the black vote and frankly, he won't sway enough black voters from Obama to make a difference. Ridge won't deliver PA, so he is moot. Plus he has ties to Bush as well. So yeah, I imagine McCain's advisors are telling him to pick Romney or Palin...probably Romney due to Palin's scandal (no matter how moot) and fund raising.

But McCain likes Pawlenty and I just can't see McCain taking his ego out of the equation and picking the guy he doesn't like, regardless of if that guy could very well give him the election.

Powell is not only a great VP for McCain - but the ideal Presidential Candidate for the GOP, IMO. He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego - which is why I suspect he will pick Romney.

 

[rdh007]

He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.

One of the great tragedies of the last eight years.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego

They do go hand in hand. I mean, his ego drives him to the presidency, but to get there, he's had to make compromises. This may be one of them.

 

[jaguarr]

McCain is also very, very, very big on loyalty and Pawlenty is his Best Friend Forever :heart: , so that shouldn't be discounted so easily.

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

Think about it though - if you want to award your BFF, would you do it by giving him one of the least powerful positions in American politics?

There are plenty of cushy gigs to give Pawlenty, if McCain REALLY wanted to reward loyalty.

 

[jaguarr]

Think about it though - if you want to award your BFF, would you do it by giving him one of the least powerful positions in American politics?

There are plenty of cushy gigs to give Pawlenty, if McCain REALLY wanted to reward loyalty.

Are you trying to apply logic to anything people in politics do? Seriously?

jag

 

[StorminNorman]

Are you trying to apply logic to anything people in politics do? Seriously?

jag

Very true.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, thats kind of like applying logic to our education system.

 

[Marx]

Powell is not only a great VP for McCain - but the ideal Presidential Candidate for the GOP, IMO. He will not do it, however, because I believe he wants to stay out of politics after his mistreatment by the Bush Admin.

I think McCain values the Presidency over his ego - which is why I suspect he will pick Romney.

The fact that Powell went along with Bush's tactics and gave a grandiose (and misleading) speech to the UN about Iraq will haunt him forever. He's lost all credibility in my mind.

 

[StorminNorman]

The fact that Powell went along with Bush's tactics and gave a grandiose (and misleading) speech to the UN about Iraq will haunt him forever. He's lost all credibility in my mind.

You have to remember that Powell is always a solider first. He follows orders.

 

[Marx]

You have to remember that Powell is always a solider first. He follows orders.

That still doesn't excuse it in my mind Norm...

 

[moraldeficiency]

That still doesn't excuse it in my mind Norm...

Yeah but if we apply that across the board we wouldn't have any politicans left.

 

[Marx]

Yeah but if we apply that across the board we wouldn't have any politicans left.

Presenting a case for war that he knew was false and misleading is inexcusable to me.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Presenting a case for war that he knew was false and misleading is inexcusable to me.

that's fair.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Powell has come out and said that he completely regrets doing it and apologized for it.

 

[kainedamo]

BY NOT SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH

Well like jag says, its not so simple. Money has been spent inefficently, on all the wrong things.

To get out of the stump the US is in at the moment, taxes are gonna need to be raised somewhere. And then that money needs to be spent wisely to help stimulate businesses and such.

 

[Kelly]

I don't think so, I think getting earmarks under control.....and using the tax money already coming in more wisely will make a huge difference. AT LEAST, try these things and move on reform actions before just throwing money at a problem. Raising taxes should not be an answer to our problems, it should, IMO, be the last resort. BUT, to say that "it's not going to happen", yes is alittle naive. My hope is that it will be the last thing on the list of the house to take care of our debt....

 

[Kelly]

Yes he has.......a few times actually.

 

[Matt]

It wouldn't make a difference in terms of electability though. I do believe Powell fought againt the Iraq War and greatly regrets going along with it...but alas, his choice was made and it will haunt him if he ever tried to re-enter politics.