The McCain Thread

[Kelly]

A Democracy Corps (D)Obama leading McCain 50%-45% in a two-way race or 49%-43% if Bob Barr (L) and Ralph Nader are included.

That tells me that more democrats will go for the alternatives, than will Republicans....

Poll among Religious Right...

80 percent of Southern Baptist pastors plan to vote for McCain and only 1 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 778 pastors conducted by LifeWay Research in April and May. Fifteen percent were undecided.

-- 78 percent of likely evangelical voters say they'll vote for McCain, according to a survey of 1,003 adults conducted in May by The Barna Group.

-- 57 percent of evangelical Protestants say they'll vote for McCain and 25 percent for Obama, according to a poll of 3,002 adults in April and May commissioned by the Paul B. Henry Institute for the Study of Christianity and Politics at Calvin College. Additionally, 54 percent of evangelical Protestants identify themselves as Republicans -- down only 2 percent from a similar poll in 2004.

* Phil Burress heads the anti-porn group Citizens for Community Values and was active in the successful drive in 2004 to amend Ohio's constitution to ban same sex marriages.

"McCain wasn't my first choice, and I'm not sure about him now," he was recently quoted saying, "but we've got a zero chance of getting a conservative Supreme Court justice out of either Clinton or Obama. I don't know whether we've got a 25 percent chance, or a 50 percent chance, or a 100 percent chance with McCain—but it's better than zero, and I'm going to do everything in my power to help get him elected. He's our best shot."

Tennessee Conservative Union Endorses John McCain
Here is the release:

I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I have always admired him. He suffered and fought for his country and prevailed. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been sickened by the attacks on him by some Washington-based conservatives this week. One went so far as to say that McCain is more liberal than Hillary Clinton.

It makes you wonder if some of the more cynical have decided a new Clinton or Obama administration would mean better fundraising, higher rating points and more books sold.

Perhaps I’m just too old-fashioned for the modern media based conservative movement. I always knew one thing about Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, which is that the country came before person, principal came before party and philosophy came before personal profit.

The selection of candidates this year provides no clear choice for conservatives. If you believe the primary job of the president is to be the spiritual leader for the Country, then Mike Huckabee deserves your consideration. If you feel America needs a successful businessman to manage the economy, then Mitt Romney would seem to have the resume.

I cannot question any conservatives vote in this very unique and volatile election. I do question the credibility of the talking heads that have chosen to attempt to destroy McCain rather than simply oppose him.

In this time of war and generation of terrorism I still believe that Job One for a President is Commander and Chief. Can there be a clearer choice for Commander and Chief than John McCain? I’ll be casting my conservative vote against the terrorists, in favor of a strong national defense and for the future Commander and Chief John McCain.

-Lloyd C. Daugherty
Chairman ,
Tennessee Conservative Unionp/quote]

The conservatives that McCain will have a problem with are those that back closing our borders. Barr, will most likely get those votes, UNLESS......during the Republican Convention McCain can bring those votes his direction. He can do that, it is definitely feasible. THAT, imo, is the conservative group that could vote for Barr.

BUT, in a recent Rasmussen poll, it shows that only 2% list a 3rd party candidate as who they will vote for.


I'm done....soul, you can believe as you wish.....that's cool.



BTW, I HAVE NEVER SAID LIEBERMAN WAS A GOOD CHOICE.......and I don't think McCain will choose him, but I've been wrong before.


I like Lieberman, but I'm an independent.....so that's not surprising.....*winks*

 

[souvlaki]

That tells me that more democrats will go for the alternatives, than will Republicans....

Poll among Religious Right...

Tennessee Conservative Union Endorses John McCain
Here is the release:

I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I have always admired him. He suffered and fought for his country and prevailed. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been sickened by the attacks on him by some Washington-based conservatives this week. One went so far as to say that McCain is more liberal than Hillary Clinton.

It makes you wonder if some of the more cynical have decided a new Clinton or Obama administration would mean better fundraising, higher rating points and more books sold.

Perhaps I’m just too old-fashioned for the modern media based conservative movement. I always knew one thing about Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, which is that the country came before person, principal came before party and philosophy came before personal profit.

The selection of candidates this year provides no clear choice for conservatives. If you believe the primary job of the president is to be the spiritual leader for the Country, then Mike Huckabee deserves your consideration. If you feel America needs a successful businessman to manage the economy, then Mitt Romney would seem to have the resume.

I cannot question any conservatives vote in this very unique and volatile election. I do question the credibility of the talking heads that have chosen to attempt to destroy McCain rather than simply oppose him.

In this time of war and generation of terrorism I still believe that Job One for a President is Commander and Chief. Can there be a clearer choice for Commander and Chief than John McCain? I’ll be casting my conservative vote against the terrorists, in favor of a strong national defense and for the future Commander and Chief John McCain.

-Lloyd C. Daugherty
Chairman ,
Tennessee Conservative Unionp/quote]

The conservatives that McCain will have a problem with are those that back closing our borders. Barr, will most likely get those votes, UNLESS......during the Republican Convention McCain can bring those votes his direction. He can do that, it is definitely feasible. THAT, imo, is the conservative group that could vote for Barr.

BUT, in a recent Rasmussen poll, it shows that only 2% list a 3rd party candidate as who they will vote for.


I'm done....soul, you can believe as you wish.....that's cool.



BTW, I HAVE NEVER SAID LIEBERMAN WAS A GOOD CHOICE.......and I don't think McCain will choose him, but I've been wrong before.


I like Lieberman, but I'm an independent.....so that's not surprising.....*winks*

I never said you were saying Lieberman was a good choice. I was just defending my original post about Lieberman being a bad choice, which you disagreed with. All I'm saying is that McCain for religion conservatives is pretty much on par with John Kerry. Not someone they are necessarily enthusiastic about, but someone they will vote for because the opposition in their opinion is worse. McCain seems to be running on an "anyone but Obama" campaign which will do him well, but like Kerry in 2004, I don't think it will be enough to push him over the top. All I'm saying is that if McCain chooses a Democrat as his running mate he may alienate a lot of people that are still not completely convinced about him. Just because he may have support now doesn't mean that his support is so strong or enthusiastic that they wont abandon him the second he makes what may be interpreted as a wrong move. Personally I think choosing a pro-choice former Democrat as a running mate might be just such a move.

 

[Kelly]

I never said you were saying Lieberman was a good choice. I was just defending my original post about Lieberman being a bad choice, which you disagreed with. All I'm saying is that McCain for religion conservatives is pretty much on par with John Kerry. Not someone they are necessarily enthusiastic about, but someone they will vote for because the opposition in their opinion is worse. McCain seems to be running on an "anyone but Obama" campaign which will do him well, but like Kerry in 2004, I don't think it will be enough to push him over the top. All I'm saying is that if McCain chooses a Democrat as his running mate he may alienate a lot of people that are still not completely convinced about him. Just because he may have support now doesn't mean that his support is so strong or enthusiastic that they wont abandon him the second he makes what may be interpreted as a wrong move. Personally I think choosing a pro-choice former Democrat as a running mate might be just such a move.

I should have broken your post down.....but I'm lazy when it gets this late...

What I disagreed with, is what I found sources for.......

Most conservative pundits have said that Lieberman would be a bad choice for McCain, but they stopped short of saying that they or conservatives would not vote for him because of it.....regardless, Lieberman is not the right choice IMO.

If he wants to put some enthusiam into his campaign, and do it with a running mate......IMO, he needs to choose a conservative (even moderate) female VP.......of which he still has 2 high on his list.....so who knows.

 

[jaguarr]

It's the Kel and souvlaki show!!!

jag

 

[Matt]

I could see why he would want Lieberman. McCain has done too much damage in his primary pandering to get back in good with the independent crowd before the primary, but having the first cross party ticket in the history of modern politics could go a long way to attracting them. Meanwhile, his new found inner-neo-con can handle the far right.

 

[souvlaki]

I could see why he would want Lieberman. McCain has done too much damage in his primary pandering to get back in good with the independent crowd before the primary, but having the first cross party ticket in the history of modern politics could go a long way to attracting them. Meanwhile, his new found inner-neo-con can handle the far right.

I always got the vibe that the neo-cons were not too happy with McCain. After this discussion with Kel I'm starting to wonder if I'm wrong in this respect. Do you really think he could pick a pro-choice running mate and not scare off at least a few of the neo-cons? To me picking Lieberman is kind of like Obama picking Clinton. Whatever he gains from choosing Lieberman in independent votes, he'll lose from the neo-cons. I'm curious, have there been any running mate polls for the GOP? If so, how does a McCain/Lieberman ticket fair against Obama?

 

[Matt]

I think Kel is right that neo-cons will pick McCain over Obama. They may do it begrudgingly, but they will do it. Republicans as a voter base, tend to be smarter than Democrats. They won't risk a close election by casting a protest vote for Bob Barr. Especially when an extreme liberal like Obama scares the hell out of them. They did it in '92 because Bush Sr. screwed them and Clinton was fairly conservative fiscally. He wasn't a big threat to conservatism like Obama.

Furthermore, McCain has done a very good job of pandering to the far right. Perhaps his big strategy in all of this, when we were questioning "Hey, he won the primary, why is he not going back to his maverick ways?" is because he knew he would need to continue to be the neo-con for the sake of his running mate.

I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket would make this election a lot closer. People are sick of partisan politics and Lieberman is still a registered Democrat. Plus most still associate Lieberman with the Democrats since he has caucused with them (which could prove a big mistake for the party). A cross party ticket, the first in modern politics could be HUGE.

 

[The Senator]

While Christian conservatives may not vote for Obama or Barr, they may not vote for McCain if he picks a liberal like Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Chances are, they might not vote at all, which could prove harmful for McCain in certain swing states where the youth vote may balance out the psycho-Christian vote. States like Virginia, Missouri, Iowa and all of the southwestern states fall into this category. Especially since Lieberman adamantly supports abortion and gay rights (and that doesn't even get into the whole Jew thing).

 

[Spider-Bite]

Lieberman would not help McCain for reason stated by JManSpice, and plus the fact that the whole edge Democrats have with swing voters is that Bush sent us to Iraq. Lieberman also supports Iraq, so his being a democrat wont appeal to the voters who are leaning democrat based on the war.

 

[Matt]

But lets face it though Spider-Bite, Obama could appoint a pro-abortion, homosexual, Satan worshipper as his running mate and you would say it is going to help him win the religious right

 

[Matt]

While Christian conservatives may not vote for Obama or Barr, they may not vote for McCain if he picks a liberal like Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Chances are, they might not vote at all, which could prove harmful for McCain in certain swing states where the youth vote may balance out the psycho-Christian vote. States like Virginia, Missouri, Iowa and all of the southwestern states fall into this category. Especially since Lieberman adamantly supports abortion and gay rights (and that doesn't even get into the whole Jew thing).

I'm not sure they will. The far right if nothing else are a notoriously strong voting base. I don't think they would sit home. They are not the kind easily discouraged. So long as McCain keeps pandering I don't think they will abandon him. Maybe some, but not enough to make a difference.

 

[Kelly]

A VP may bring you a half, to 1 percentage point in the vote of a few states, but it is doubtful that it will change much else as far as the Republicans are concerned. Just as I showed in some of my examples, the christian right are not in love with McCain, but as was stated, they feel that any democratic will not push their agenda, and McCain as far as basics will. Supreme Court, etc........

As far as the Democrats, Obama still has a problem with over 25% of Clinton supporters......He will not go to them with hat in hand........he's too arrogant for that....IMO.........so that is a demographic to watch.

McCain, needs to be working hard with the Republican base that is strong on immigration, they are the ones that might vote for Barr..........its a throw away vote, but they still may do it.

 

[Matt]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

 

[Kelly]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

I think the question is, with that ........ will it be enough to off-set single issue Republicans....

I don't think it will...



Also, you have a 90 year old judge in Stevens, that will probably step down in the next 4 years......IF McCain chooses a pro-choice running mate or a Lieberman.....McCain is old.......you may have some that is scared of that as well......

You will have some that will simply not vote, I don't think that will be a mass amount, but would McCain get enough independent vote to offset that loss.


My gut feeling is the base are going to vote for McCain, simply as a vote against Obama, no matter who he chooses......but I don't think Lieberman is the person to do that. McCain needs to do what he can to pull away from Bush/Iraq, and do both in a massive way. Lieberman pulls away from Bush, but not Iraq. I think he needs to choose a governor (outside of washington and bush), or woman or both.

 

[Marx]

I dunno Kel, the first cross-party ticket seems like it could seriously draw in some independents.

Not if the candidates are far right or far left of their respective party ticket.

 

[Kelly]

Not if the candidates are far right or far left of their respective party ticket.

Well neither of them are......but the fact that Lieberman still holds a Democratic title, not an Independent title in the eyes of many Republicans........I still don't think he is the one to do this with.

Bloomberg would be the closest thing to this type of ticket that I would want right now.

 

[Marx]

Well neither of them are......but the fact that Lieberman still holds a Democratic title, not an Independent title in the eyes of many Republicans........I still don't think he is the one to do this with.

Bloomberg would be the closest thing to this type of ticket that I would want right now.

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.

 

[Kelly]

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.

Marx, my brotha..........how many voters....."pay attention" those at either end of the spectrum, have massive blinders on...........?????????

 

[Marx]

Marx, my brotha..........how many voters....."pay attention" those at either end of the spectrum, have massive blinders on...........?????????

I know Kel...I realized that after I posted it.

Asking people to pay attention to what goes on in their own country is a little too much.

 

[Raiden]

Everyone knows where Lieberman's loyalty lies. The fact that he has a 'D' next his name really isn't that important...not to anyone who pays attention.

I agree. Lieberman has been quite vicious in his verbal attacks against Obama, far more than when he was Gore's running mate and he was attacking Bush and Cheney. It's clear that he doesn't give a damn whether he remains with the Democratic party or not; right now they are just using each other (Dems used him for their majority, Lieberman for seniority), and as soon as Lieberman found no more use of the Dems he'll bolt right away.

 

[Marx]

I agree. Lieberman has been quite vicious in his verbal attacks against Obama, far more than when he was Gore's running mate and he was attacking Bush and Cheney. It's clear that he doesn't give a damn whether he remains with the Democratic party or not; right now they are just using each other (Dems used him for their majority, Lieberman for seniority), and as soon as Lieberman found no more use of the Dems he'll bolt right away.

After the november elections, the Democrats shouldn't need him anymore for their majority.

 

[Marx]

Huckabee slams idea of Romney as VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/huckabee-slams-idea-of-romney-as-veep/





(Gotta try to stay relevent!

)

 

[Kelly]

Huckabee slams idea of Romney as VP
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/14/huckabee-slams-idea-of-romney-as-veep/








(Gotta try to stay relevent!

)

CNN's title for that article is totally wrong.....I watched that interview on Fox today.........and he did not slam Romney by any stretch of the word.

 

[SuBe]

CNN's title for that article is totally wrong.....I watched that interview on Fox today.........and he did not slam Romney by any stretch of the word.

Impossible, CNN isn't Biased!

 

[Kelly]

Impossible, CNN isn't Biased!

I don't think its as much bias as it is trying to make a boring article sound intriguing....