The McCain Thread

[SuBe]

I don't think its as much bias as it is trying to make a boring article sound intriguing....

They could have titled it: "The Huckster Doesn't Back Romeny" or "FairTax Huck, Romney Don't Hug" or "Huck says Suck it Romney!" Those would have been better.

 

[Kelly]

I think Neil Cavuto is as pissed off at these candidates economic fiasco as I am.....he had Obama's top economic advisor on, and they went round and round.....he's talking with McCain's top economic advisor and they are going round and round as well......

And big surprise, neither can answer his questions....

 

[SuBe]

I think Neil Cavuto is as pissed off at these candidates economic fiasco as I am.....he had Obama's top economic advisor on, and they went round and round.....he's talking with McCain's top economic advisor and they are going round and round as well......

And big surprise, neither can answer his questions....

Not a suprise at all. If we think it is bad now, just wait 3 years, neither knows anything about how to make a good economy, you can only ask for which one won't screw it up worse.

 

[Kelly]

They could have titled it: "The Huckster Doesn't Back Romeny" or "FairTax Huck, Romney Don't Hug" or "Huck says Suck it Romney!" Those would have been better.

Huckabee would have laughed at all of those....

He was pissed though this morning when they started off saying that he said, Romney should not be the VP because he's Mormon.......he never has said that, and it pissed him off. I love it when he gets pissed off, his interviews are even better than usual.

 

[SuBe]

Huckabee would have laughed at all of those....

He was pissed though this morning when they started off saying that he said, Romney should not be the VP because he's Mormon.......he never has said that, and it pissed him off. I love it when he gets pissed off, his interviews are even better than usual.

I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

 

[Kelly]

I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

I like Huckabee personally, I think he is an honest, good man.

Carter was an honest, good man, but a ****ty president. Huckabee reminds way too much of Carter.

 

[SuBe]

I like Huckabee personally, I think he is an honest, good man.

Carter was an honest, good man, but a ****ty president. Huckabee reminds way too much of Carter.

Not in the way of Policy, maybe personally, but Policy far, far from eachother.

 

[Marx]

I was and still am a strong supporter of Huckabee. He had a sound Tax Policy, stood firm on Foreign Policy and was very level headed. It was others putting words in his mouth, even back then. He supported Romney being a Mormon, saying he didn't need to defend himself. Even saying that Wright's view don't reflect Obama's. He was made out to be worse by the Media than what he actually was.

Not in the way of Policy, maybe personally, but Policy far, far from eachother.

I was about to say...

 

[souvlaki]

In regards to the discussion I was having with Kel earlier in regards to the far right abandoning McCain if he elects a liberal running mate... Polls show 24% of evangelicals support Obama this election which is actually pretty good compared to the last few elections. 1 in 3 evangelicals are unenthusiastic about McCain, and have considered sitting out this election. So yeah... I'd say that's a problem for McCain.

 

[Marx]

In regards to the discussion I was having with Kel earlier in regards to the far right abandoning McCain if he elects a liberal running mate... Polls show 24% of evangelicals support Obama this election which is actually pretty good compared to the last few elections. 1 in 3 evangelicals are unenthusiastic about McCain, and have considered sitting out this election. So yeah... I'd say that's a problem for McCain.

The argument with picking an extreme on either ticket is risking your independent support.

 

[Matt]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

 

[Marx]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

That's my personal opinion. I haven't come across an actual poll that suggests one way or the other.

 

[Matt]

I meant to ask Souv, forgot to quote. Sorry

 

[souvlaki]

When were the polls dated and who was the pollster?

I dunno. I just heard it on MSNBC like 5 minutes ago, so I'd assume recently, and by a semi-legitimate pollster.

 

[souvlaki]

Just hit the rewind button on Tivo... Pew Research Poll, July 31-August 10th.

 

[Matt]

Pew is usually pretty good, and so it is worth noting, that according to their polls released this morning, McCain is now within the margin of error nationally...so either Obama is alienating independents or McCain is winning them over. Either way, perhaps now is not the time to pander to the far right as he seems to be doing okay without them according to Pew's polls, so maybe Lieberman wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Kelly]

The poll Soul is talking about is probably a Barna group poll. I think what we are including now within these polls on christians voting, is no longer just the "Christian Right"....the Barna poll includes several different groups. My numbers were strictly talking about the Republican Christian Right.....the Barna group is now including, (and rightfully so) new, young, voters that when asked call themselves christians. That group is rising fast today. They are (or will be, because they are new voters) centrist voters, that are regular church goers, but find the religious right to confining in its thinking.

So, I don't see "Religious Right" voters moving to the left to vote for Obama, or an alternative, nor do I see them not voting. I believe these numbers from the Barna group are showing a new group of voters. What needs to also be looked at is the fact that over this past year, the Barna groups numbers have shown a "undecided" vote is growing. That is the number I think is important.

 

[Marx]

The poll Soul is talking about is probably a Barna group poll. I think what we are including now within these polls on christians voting, is no longer just the "Christian Right"....the Barna poll includes several different groups. My numbers were strictly talking about the Republican Christian Right.....the Barna group is now including, (and rightfully so) new, young, voters that when asked call themselves christians. That group is rising fast today. They are (or will be, because they are new voters) centrist voters, that are regular church goers, but find the religious right to confining in its thinking.

So, I don't see "Religious Right" voters moving to the left to vote for Obama, or an alternative, nor do I see them not voting. I believe these numbers from the Barna group are showing a new group of voters. What needs to also be looked at is the fact that over this past year, the Barna groups numbers have shown a "undecided" vote is growing. That is the number I think is important.

There's no way that the Religious Right will cast a vote for a left wing liberal. No matter how pretty the speech...it's just not going to happen.

 

[Kelly]

There's no way that the Religious Right will cast a vote for a left wing liberal. No matter how pretty the speech...it's just not going to happen.

I think a good number of the religious right are like James Dobson.......


They will hold their nose and vote for McCain, as a vote against Obama, not for McCain.....but that doesn't matter, the vote is there.

Those undecided voters, I believe, that call themselves Christians are new, young voters and the question for me is not who they will vote for, but whether they will actually vote.

 

[Superman4ever]

Ownage!

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[Superman4ever]

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This is another great video!

 

[Hobgoblin]

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This is another great video!

Good one, better than the first. Gets McCain in his own words.

 

[Marx]

I think a good number of the religious right are like James Dobson.......


They will hold their nose and vote for McCain, as a vote against Obama, not for McCain.....but that doesn't matter, the vote is there.

Those undecided voters, I believe, that call themselves Christians are new, young voters and the question for me is not who they will vote for, but whether they will actually vote.

We all know how reliable the younger voting bloc is...





(Someone is going to say - "But this time is different!" Wait for it...wait...for...it.)

 

[Matt]

Wasn't 2004 supposed to be different?

 

[The Senator]

Wasn't 2004 supposed to be different?

Yes, because 18-24 year olds were going to flock out in droves to vote for a 61-year-old Frankenstein lookalike.