The McCain Thread

[jaguarr]

I want to point something I failed to address.

The whole McCain economic debacle about buying back all those houses as a promise: it turns out Paulson has the authority to do it with or without the presidential consent. All McCain can do is "persuade" him to buyout more houses. This is not a defense of McCain, more of a disgust of the Bill and how it allocates power.

They gave Paulson WAY too much authority with that Bill. He is the a-hole who was supposed to have seen this coming and done something to prevent it. It's his damn JOB! Even back in May he was giving interviews, talking about how great the economy was and would be for a long time to come. He's inept and incapable and should be set on fire....I mean...fired.

jag

 

[Fading]

This will probably reek of conspiracy talk, but sometimes I wonder if some of this isn't more about sneaking things in under the radar and less about fixing the economy. Now there's talk of the Government buying stock rather than using it for straight bailouts. We're talking about the potential of the Government owning stock in banks.

We're also currently handing cash over to select banks, and when they misuse it (i.e. the $400,000 vacation fiasco earlier in the week), we turn around and give the same bank more instead of questioning it. Just makes me feel uneasy.

It's like they talked about last night, a few years back Bush pushed that bill that let the Gov listen in on calls from suspected terrorists. He promised it would not be used to eaves drop on US citizen calls. Then last week 2 of the workers who listened in on the calls came out and said that they were listening in on private calls, phone sex, private conversations, etc. It's just hard to trust the Government when they keep oversteping boundaries.

 

[Paradoxium]

Don't forget this little gem (and people call me a fear monger, I see the gov't as the true fear monger). Because this gem is soooo necessary in "fixing" our economy - yes this is in the BAILOUT BILL.

The bailout bill also gives the Internal Revenue Service new authority to conduct undercover operations. It would immunize the IRS from a passel of federal laws, including permitting IRS agents to run businesses for an extended sting operation, to open their own personal bank accounts with U.S. tax dollars, and so on.

 

[Fading]

Eventually someone on this board (obviously with more legal knowledge than me lol) needs to read the bailout in it's entirety and explain some of the loop holes to the rest of us. When it balooned from 3 pages to 100, an alarm should have went off.

Since then we're constantly finding the bill reaching out to places it shouldn't, what more is hidden in the bill that the rest of us don't know about, or could be exploited?

I mean at first we thought it was just a straight cash giveaway to bail banks out. Now, potential for the Government to buy bank stocks, the Government buying up mortgages? And now Dox's post.

It's really not fear talk, it's questioning, and wanting to know what else the bill allows for. I think it's a fair question to ask just how far the bill let's them go.

 

[Marx]

I don't care WHAT John McCain says or does now. He has proven to me without a shadow of a doubt that he has no honor, no dignity, no class and no integrity.

jag

I couldn't agree more Jag.

 

[souvlaki]

I don't know. Does McCain even know (or believe) that an Arab can be a "decent family man" and citizen in America? I mean, it's nice that he tried to correct this poor woman in regards to her view of Obama, but in doing so, he seems to have slighted our good Arab brothers and sisters here and elsewhere. Someone in his position should have the intelligence and presence of mind at least, to come up with a better response than that.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I personally find it a little insulting that he wouldn't point out that neither Muslims, nor Arabs are anything to be scared of. The people at these rallies downright scare me.

 

[souvlaki]

Actually, I forgot to mention that I'm also pretty annoyed he didn't bother distinguishing the difference between a Muslim and an Arab as well. Pretty much McCain was just full of fail with that response, other than the part about Obama being a respectable family man.

 

[Anita18]

I love the clip "I can't trust Obama...I have read about him and he is...he is an Arab". Seriously, does this woman even know what an "Arab" is and that it's not synonymous "Muslim"...actually it's totally different.

I just saw the clip, and it made me completely.

She said, "...he..is....he is an Arab" like she was going to cross herself in fear. Or referring to Voldemort.

 

[metr0man]

The whole thing is just several different kinds of disturbing.

The xenophobic element was always out there - but kind of under the surface. You didn't have people standing up and saying things like "off with his head" "traitor" and "he's... he's.. an arab" to McCain's face in all the other town halls. I don't know what's more disturbing. Attempts to paint Obama as a "terrorist", threats to kill him made in the face of the candidates while they do nothing, or the rampant anti-muslim and anti-arab xenophobia.

It all started when they used Ayers to paint Obama as "not one of us", "pallin' around with terrorists" (see factcheck.org about that), it was a clear message to the loons: "I've said it in public. You can come out NOWWWW"

This isn't ONE rally either.

Here's one of a few videos from Ohio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

There are reports from MANY DIFFERENT rallies: "terrorist" "traitor" "off with his head" "Kill him".

 

[souvlaki]

The whole thing is just several different kinds of disturbing.

The xenophobic element was always out there - but kind of under the surface. You didn't have people standing up and saying things like "off with his head" "traitor" and "he's... he's.. an arab" to McCain's face in all the other town halls. I don't know what's more disturbing. Attempts to paint Obama as a "terrorist", threats to kill him made in the face of the candidates while they do nothing, or the rampant anti-muslim and anti-arab xenophobia.

It all started when they used Ayers to paint Obama as "not one of us", "pallin' around with terrorists" (see factcheck.org about that), it was a clear message to the loons: "I've said it in public. You can come out NOWWWW"

This isn't ONE rally either.

Here's one of a few videos from Ohio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E

There are reports from MANY DIFFERENT rallies: "terrorist" "traitor" "off with his head" "Kill him".

This type of stuff really worries me. I'm really concerned over what may happen if Obama does get elected. All it takes is one nutjob that takes this stuff a bit too seriously. Palin is practically inciting this type of behavior at this point.

 

[Abaddon]

Looks like McCain is pulling back.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=AhokMWwoZxSVnIMIjgMjCEZh24cA


Maybe he can redeem himself before this is over.


edit: bah, just saw the video. yay for redundancy!

 

[souvlaki]

Looks like McCain is pulling back.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=AhokMWwoZxSVnIMIjgMjCEZh24cA


Maybe he can redeem himself before this is over.


edit: bah, just saw the video. yay for redundancy!

Unhelpful for establishing the tone McCain sought in Davenport was the Rev. Arnold Conrad, past pastor of the Grace Evangelical Free Church. His prayer before McCain arrived at the convention center blocks from the Mississippi River appeared to dismiss faiths other than Christianity and cast the election as a referendum on God himself.

"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

*sigh*

 

[Superman]

I don't care WHAT John McCain says or does now. He has proven to me without a shadow of a doubt that he has no honor, no dignity, no class and no integrity.

jag

I have felt that way since 2004 when McCain campaigned for Bush.

It didn't bother me that McCain didn't support Kerry or run with him, I understood that, But to go out and campaign for Bush after what Bush did to him in 2000 just to get Bush's support in this campaign, I lost all repect for him.

McCain was counting on the high approval ratings that Bush had in 04 to last through 08. So McCain sold his soul to Bush in 04 just to get Bush to support him this year.

The funny part is that selling out to Bush didn't help him one bit this year. McCain can't stay far enough away from Bush now. Serves him right.

It's just another example of bad judgment from McCain.

 

[lazur]

We'll see in the coming days. If Palin calms down her rhetoric and McCain's advertising calms down, then that will be proof that he meant what he said today. If not, then it's a case of good cop/bad cop.

People should be outraged at not only Obama's associations (which, interestingly, disqualify him from even having a basic security clearance), but also his tax, economic and foreign policies:

- Obama will raise taxes on ALL people by a) increasing payroll, capital gains and business income tax, which always gets passed along to consumers and employees and b) letting Bush's tax cuts expire, which means YOUR income taxes and MY income taxes go up.
- Obama has consistently been on the wrong side of economic policy, first aligning himself with ACORN, and then with Fannie and Freddie. He gave $800,000 to ACORN and he accepted large donations from Fannie to turn a blind eye to the criminal conduct they were involved in.
- Obama has absolutely ZERO foreign policy experience. Given today's volatile climate around the world, we cannot afford to have an OJT President, and one who has already said he'd bomb Pakistan, which would most definitely ignite another conflict in the ME. He also stated that he will put a date on the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, allowing those who are waging violence in Iraq to just wait it out. Which ultimately means WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK and probably lose more troops to deal with the heightened violence that our premature withdrawal and absence would create.

So ... McCain should continue to raise Obama's shady past associations until or unless Obama himself explains them to the satisfaction of the American people, the same way McCain had to explain the Keating Five back in the day and even now. You don't hear McCain saying 'Keating was just a guy I knew.' Thus, Obama should NOT be excused for his associations WITHOUT an explanation, particularly considering how whacko some of these people are. One can't help but think that Obama must share their views if he's completely unwilling to explain why he associated and called these people with such radical views his FRIENDS.

Should people be disrespectful? No. But if Obama is lying, and he CLEARLY IS ABOUT MANY THINGS, then he should be called out on it. Period.

 

[Carcharodon]

Desperation is ugly.

 

[The Senator]

Except when McCain was involved with Keating, he was engaging in ethical misconduct.

It is not an example of ethical misconduct to be friends or associates with someone who was involved in criminal activities 40 years ago, or to accept $400 from him in campaign contributions.

So McCain can focus on this non-issue all he wants. It obviously isn't helping his campaign, as reflected by recent poll numbers.

 

[Superman]

People should be outraged at not only Obama's associations (which, interestingly, disqualify him from even having a basic security clearance), but also his tax, economic and foreign policies:

- Obama will raise taxes on ALL people by a) increasing payroll, capital gains and business income tax, which always gets passed along to consumers and employees and b) letting Bush's tax cuts expire, which means YOUR income taxes and MY income taxes go up.
- Obama has consistently been on the wrong side of economic policy, first aligning himself with ACORN, and then with Fannie and Freddie. He gave $800,000 to ACORN and he accepted large donations from Fannie to turn a blind eye to the criminal conduct they were involved in.
- Obama has absolutely ZERO foreign policy experience. Given today's volatile climate around the world, we cannot afford to have an OJT President, and one who has already said he'd bomb Pakistan, which would most definitely ignite another conflict in the ME. He also stated that he will put a date on the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, allowing those who are waging violence in Iraq to just wait it out. Which ultimately means WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK and probably lose more troops to deal with the heightened violence that our premature withdrawal and absence would create.

So ... McCain should continue to raise Obama's shady past associations until or unless Obama himself explains them to the satisfaction of the American people, the same way McCain had to explain the Keating Five back in the day and even now. You don't hear McCain saying 'Keating was just a guy I knew.' Thus, Obama should NOT be excused for his associations WITHOUT an explanation, particularly considering how whacko some of these people are. One can't help but think that Obama must share their views if he's completely unwilling to explain why he associated and called these people with such radical views his FRIENDS.

Should people be disrespectful? No. But if Obama is lying, and he CLEARLY IS ABOUT MANY THINGS, then he should be called out on it. Period.

"You spin me right round, Baby right round, Like a record baby right round round round...."

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[souvlaki]

Why do I get the feeling we are going to see lazur slowly self destruct in the next month? November 5th is going to be a fun day on the Superhero Hype! boards.

 

[The Senator]

Why do I get the feeling we are going to see lazur slowly self destruct in the next month? November 5th is going to be a fun day on the Superhero Hype! boards.

I'm breaking out the cheese, because a few posters are going to need some to go with their whine.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I'm breaking out the cheese, because a few posters are going to need some to go with their whine.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I'm breaking out the cheese, because a few posters are going to need some to go with their whine.

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

 

[Fading]

Did this really happen? It's a clip of Hannity and Colmes where Hannity is trying to pick on Obama's, "Air your tires" speech, and an ad against McCain is played in it's place. I was lol'ing, and hope it did happen like this .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVqWtsSfwZY&feature=related

Also watched a few other related youtube links (was led there looking up something unrelated (a link someone posted in one of the other threads about a McCain rally)). Apparently Fox also devoted a segment to *****ing about the Newsweek close up pic of Sarah Palin, saying it was unfair to her and bias to give her an untouched close up lol.

You know, sometimes I'm glad Fox News exists. It gives you something to laugh about when you have nothing better to do .

 

[Marx]

Why do I get the feeling we are going to see lazur slowly self destruct in the next month? November 5th is going to be a fun day on the Superhero Hype! boards.

I'm breaking out the cheese, because a few posters are going to need some to go with their whine.

I would hold off on the celebratory bragging until after the race is over. You all need to remember that Al Gore was also leading at this point in 2000.

 

[SentinelMind]

Marx is right. Electoral-Vote.com had Kerry at over 290 electoral votes on October 20th, 2004.

 

[The Senator]

I would hold off on the celebratory bragging until after the race is over. You all need to remember that Al Gore was also leading at this point in 2000.

Not by this much and not in as many states as Obama has been. This is comparable to 1992 in terms of pre-election polling; the math is in Obama's favor.

At this point, the only three states which Kerry did not win which Obama has to win are New Mexico, Colorado, and Iowa. He has comfortable leads in all three, plus Virginia, Ohio and Florida. North Carolina, Nevada and West Virginia are also looking good, and McCain is narrowing his leads in Montana and Georgia.

I'm not celebrating now, I'm only bracing myself for what looks like an inevitable victory.