The McCain Thread

[StrainedEyes]

So, is it really that hard to control the other people speaking at your rallies? McCain is doing a ****ty job of trying to be respectful.

 

[Abaddon]

They stirred **** up, now they have to deal with the crazies.

 

[souvlaki]

Actually, I think Pat Robertson views him as a profit too.

Thank you Superhero Hype. Everyone is bringing their A game to this board tonight. I haven't laughed this hard reading posts here in a while.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Psycho-Christians and Christofascists are irritating. Most Christians are tolerable.

Ironic quote of the day

"I was wrong to follow the meanness of Conservatism. I should have been trying to help people instead of take advantage of them. I don't hate anyone anymore. For the first time in my life I don't hate somebody. I have nothing but good feelings toward people. I've found Jesus Christ - It's that simple. He's made a difference."
–Lee Atwater

 

[StrainedEyes]

Jesus is the Valentine's Day candy heart of public relations.

 

[The Senator]

Jesus is the Valentine's Day candy heart of public relations.

Candy Hearts: The taste of Communion wafers, but with fun phrases and colors to distract yourself from the taste!

 

[kainedamo]

McCain does not deserve your praise or your sympathy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/mccain.lewis/index.html


McCain calls comments by Georgia Democrat 'shocking'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain called a statement by a Georgia congressman Saturday, which compared the feeling at recent Republican rallies to those of segregationist George Wallace, "a brazen and baseless attack."


Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, and Sen. John McCain traded tough statements Saturday.

Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, who has been praised by McCain in the past, issued his statement after several days of headline-grabbing anger aimed at Democratic nominee Barack Obama from some attendees at campaign rallies of McCain and running mate Gov. Sarah Palin.

"What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse," Lewis said in a statement.

"George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama," wrote the Democrat. Watch more on the rising rage at McCain-Palin rallies »

McCain has written about Lewis, praising his actions in Selma, Alabama, during the civil rights movement. The Republican nominee even said during a summer faith forum that Lewis was one of three men he would turn to for counsel as president.

But the Arizona senator blasted Lewis' remarks, and called on Obama to repudiate them.

"Congressman John Lewis' comments represent a character attack against Gov. Sarah Palin and me that is shocking and beyond the pale," he said in a Saturday afternoon statement released by his campaign.

"The notion that legitimate criticism of Sen. Obama's record and positions could be compared to Gov. George Wallace, his segregationist policies and the violence he provoked is unacceptable and has no place in this campaign. I am saddened that John Lewis, a man I've always admired, would make such a brazen and baseless attack on my character and the character of the thousands of hardworking Americans who come to our events to cheer for the kind of reform that will put America on the right track. Watch more on the rising rage at McCain-Palin rallies »

"I call on Sen. Obama to immediately and personally repudiate these outrageous and divisive comments that are so clearly designed to shut down debate 24 days before the election. Our country must return to the important debate about the path forward for America."

Also Saturday, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton released a statement on the Lewis comments.

"Sen. Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies," Burton said. "But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for president of the United States 'pals around with terrorists.' "

Later Saturday, Lewis issued a statement saying a careful review of his remarks "would reveal that I did not compare Sen. John McCain or Gov. Sarah Palin to George Wallace."

"My statement was a reminder to all Americans that toxic language can lead to destructive behavior," Lewis said. "I am glad that Sen. McCain has taken some steps to correct divisive speech at his rallies. I believe we need to return to civil discourse in this election about the pressing economic issues that are affecting our nation."

 

[Marx]

RICK DAVIS USES POW CARD TO DEFEND RALLY RHETORIC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/mccain-chief-uses-pow-car_n_133959.html

:facepalm

 

[redfirebird2008]

WTF does his P.O.W. status have to do with the comments of morons at his rallies?

 

[Superman]

McCain does not deserve your praise or your sympathy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/mccain.lewis/index.html


McCain calls comments by Georgia Democrat 'shocking'

I love how they are still trying to use the old "Bait and Switch" tactic.

They are the ones out there suggesting that Obama is some kind of terrorist sympathizer and when they get called on it McCain tries to turn it around and make Obama the bad guy for calling them on something McCain did.

 

[The Senator]

I see how it goes: Ignore the racists and bigots attending your rallies, and instead point a finger at the angry black man. Never mind that said black man was brutally beaten by racists during the Segregationist period in Georgia, and witnessed these same kinds of despicable displays at white supremacist rallies all across the country.

Oh well-- anger is merited right now! so it only makes sense for John McCain to be attacking a respectable Civil Rights leader instead of realizing that his rallies have turned into vicious displays of hatred and bigotry.

 

[sinewave]

RICK DAVIS USES POW CARD TO DEFEND RALLY RHETORIC
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/mccain-chief-uses-pow-car_n_133959.html

:facepalm

is it just me or does rick davis look like he's the product of inbreeding?

 

[redfirebird2008]

sinewave,

It's not just you.

 

[Gilpesh]

Adjective, noun, verb, POW POW POW POW POW 9/11 POW POW SLIGHTLY-VEILED-BIGOTRY ABOUT OBAMA POW POW POW, adjective and noun.

 

[The Senator]

You know, before this election got underway, I had a lot of respect for the McCain campaign. I have made it clear on these boards that I come from a fairly Republican family, and nine years ago, when McCain began his first run for the White House, everyone in my family supported him. For my father, McCain represented the moderate views he had held the majority of his life. For my grandparents, McCain was a decorated Vietnam veteran who, like them, knew the horrors of war firsthand. And through much of my political awakening, I considered McCain to be a true example of the centrist approach to government this country desperately needs. Like Joe Lieberman, who I would support much more if he were to renounce his views on the war, McCain was a true trailblazer who deserved the presidency.

Hell, even earlier this year, I said I would support McCain over Obama, because McCain was a bit more aligned with my views. The only thing which made it difficult was the fact that McCain supports the war in Iraq-- the one issue which made me politically active, and the one issue I have held a strong stance against since its first conception.

But here we are, three weeks until the election, and McCain disgusts me more than I ever thought was possible. His sudden shift to the right in 2006 was an example of McCain doing something he had long been against-- playing politics for the sake of playing politics. His stance on the war and foreign policy has become even more disturbing, and for a man who has seen what kind of horror war can bring, he should know that war should not be the number one priority; diplomacy should. His shift to the right on issues such as abortion and gay marriage have completely soured his reputation as being a "libertarian" on social issues.

Furthering the dismay, he selected Sarah Palin to be his running mate-- a woman who knows nothing about foreign policy, who has only been in office for two years, and who has led one of the most irrelevant states in the country during that time and knows nothing about the issues she seems to be riled against (taxes? they are virtually tax-free in Alaska, because the oil company makes up those differences; abstinence-only education? that certainly worked in the Palin household, didn't it?). A woman who has embarrassed herself on the national stage on several occasions, yet still acts as if she is superior to the far more experienced Joe Biden.

And now, in the midst of an economic crisis, the man who admits he knows very little about the economy and the woman who knows nothing about anything are attacking a friendship Obama has with a domestic terrorist-- who hasn't committed a crime in four decades. In the midst of a collapsing economy, all John McCain and Sarah Palin want to do is tie Obama to terrorism-- because it isn't like the right-wing groups out there haven't done so already, with their photoshopped Obama-Osama pictures and "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" billboards.

And when McCain's campaign is asked for a reaction on these despicable instances, what do they respond with? The trump card which beats all other trump cards: John McCain was a POW, and because of that, he doesn't have to answer your silly questions.

Seriously. John McCain was a POW so he doesn't have to answer any of your silly questions. We've seen that a lot, haven't we?

"Why do you call Barack Obama an elitist when you own 8 houses and 13 cars?"
"POW!! I was a POW for five years!!"

"Why are you taking credit for the bailout bill, when you didn't have any significant influence in its implementation?"
"POW!! I was tortured, and you have to love me because of it!"

McCain is wearing his military service on his sleeve lately-- and my father, a former service member, has seen through these tactics and will be voting for Obama this year. Other veterans I know are repulsed by this behavior, and will not be voting for McCain because of it.

All the while, McCain's ignorance on the major issues affecting this country, as well as his political posturing, has made me completely repulsed by the man he has become.

John McCain is not an honorable man. He is a disgrace. He doesn't deserve the presidency any more, he doesn't even deserve to be running for it. He has made awful decision after awful decision, from the inexperienced argument to selecting Palin as his running mate to his using the POW card whenever he is asked a tough question.

These rallies just confirm it for me: John McCain is unworthy of the Presidency, in any sense. I hope we crush him in three weeks, or else this country will be damned.

 

[Marx]

You know, before this election got underway, I had a lot of respect for the McCain campaign. I have made it clear on these boards that I come from a fairly Republican family, and nine years ago, when McCain began his first run for the White House, everyone in my family supported him. For my father, McCain represented the moderate views he had held the majority of his life. For my grandparents, McCain was a decorated Vietnam veteran who, like them, knew the horrors of war firsthand. And through much of my political awakening, I considered McCain to be a true example of the centrist approach to government this country desperately needs. Like Joe Lieberman, who I would support much more if he were to renounce his views on the war, McCain was a true trailblazer who deserved the presidency.

Hell, even earlier this year, I said I would support McCain over Obama, because McCain was a bit more aligned with my views. The only thing which made it difficult was the fact that McCain supports the war in Iraq-- the one issue which made me politically active, and the one issue I have held a strong stance against since its first conception.

But here we are, three weeks until the election, and McCain disgusts me more than I ever thought was possible. His sudden shift to the right in 2006 was an example of McCain doing something he had long been against-- playing politics for the sake of playing politics. His stance on the war and foreign policy has become even more disturbing, and for a man who has seen what kind of horror war can bring, he should know that war should not be the number one priority; diplomacy should. His shift to the right on issues such as abortion and gay marriage have completely soured his reputation as being a "libertarian" on social issues.

Furthering the dismay, he selected Sarah Palin to be his running mate-- a woman who knows nothing about foreign policy, who has only been in office for two years, and who has led one of the most irrelevant states in the country during that time and knows nothing about the issues she seems to be riled against (taxes? they are virtually tax-free in Alaska, because the oil company makes up those differences; abstinence-only education? that certainly worked in the Palin household, didn't it?). A woman who has embarrassed herself on the national stage on several occasions, yet still acts as if she is superior to the far more experienced Joe Biden.

And now, in the midst of an economic crisis, the man who admits he knows very little about the economy and the woman who knows nothing about anything are attacking a friendship Obama has with a domestic terrorist-- who hasn't committed a crime in four decades. In the midst of a collapsing economy, all John McCain and Sarah Palin want to do is tie Obama to terrorism-- because it isn't like the right-wing groups out there haven't done so already, with their photoshopped Obama-Osama pictures and "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" billboards.

And when McCain's campaign is asked for a reaction on these despicable instances, what do they respond with? The trump card which beats all other trump cards: John McCain was a POW, and because of that, he doesn't have to answer your silly questions.

Seriously. John McCain was a POW so he doesn't have to answer any of your silly questions. We've seen that a lot, haven't we?

"Why do you call Barack Obama an elitist when you own 8 houses and 13 cars?"
"POW!! I was a POW for five years!!"

"Why are you taking credit for the bailout bill, when you didn't have any significant influence in its implementation?"
"POW!! I was tortured, and you have to love me because of it!"

McCain is wearing his military service on his sleeve lately-- and my father, a former service member, has seen through these tactics and will be voting for Obama this year. Other veterans I know are repulsed by this behavior, and will not be voting for McCain because of it.

All the while, McCain's ignorance on the major issues affecting this country, as well as his political posturing, has made me completely repulsed by the man he has become.

John McCain is not an honorable man. He is a disgrace. He doesn't deserve the presidency any more, he doesn't even deserve to be running for it. He has made awful decision after awful decision, from the inexperienced argument to selecting Palin as his running mate to his using the POW card whenever he is asked a tough question.

These rallies just confirm it for me: John McCain is unworthy of the Presidency, in any sense. I hope we crush him in three weeks, or else this country will be damned.

*slow clap*

Well said, Jman.

 

[redfirebird2008]

JMan, I agree. I used to like him until I started reading about how he treated his first wife and the word he used to describe Cindy because he couldn't take one of her jokes about his receding hair line. The image he always presented didn't even come close to representing how he is behind the scenes. He's got a temper, a dangerous one. He's also got a sense of entitlement, which I had no idea about until reading about the nepotism that guided his military career. No way in hell he would have (1) made it into the Naval Academy or (2) graduated from the Naval Academy if it wasn't for his grandfather and father both being highly esteemed admirals. Then again, I used to not really pay much attention to politics so I naturally just ate up the image he was selling as a war hero moderate politician who cared about working with both sides to get things done.

 

[ManofmyWord]

Jman, throughout the last few weeks you have become my hero on these boards. It seems that whatever I want to say but don't know quite how to say it, you knock out of the park.

 

[shadowforce420]

You know, before this election got underway, I had a lot of respect for the McCain campaign. I have made it clear on these boards that I come from a fairly Republican family, and nine years ago, when McCain began his first run for the White House, everyone in my family supported him. For my father, McCain represented the moderate views he had held the majority of his life. For my grandparents, McCain was a decorated Vietnam veteran who, like them, knew the horrors of war firsthand. And through much of my political awakening, I considered McCain to be a true example of the centrist approach to government this country desperately needs. Like Joe Lieberman, who I would support much more if he were to renounce his views on the war, McCain was a true trailblazer who deserved the presidency.

Hell, even earlier this year, I said I would support McCain over Obama, because McCain was a bit more aligned with my views. The only thing which made it difficult was the fact that McCain supports the war in Iraq-- the one issue which made me politically active, and the one issue I have held a strong stance against since its first conception.

But here we are, three weeks until the election, and McCain disgusts me more than I ever thought was possible. His sudden shift to the right in 2006 was an example of McCain doing something he had long been against-- playing politics for the sake of playing politics. His stance on the war and foreign policy has become even more disturbing, and for a man who has seen what kind of horror war can bring, he should know that war should not be the number one priority; diplomacy should. His shift to the right on issues such as abortion and gay marriage have completely soured his reputation as being a "libertarian" on social issues.

Furthering the dismay, he selected Sarah Palin to be his running mate-- a woman who knows nothing about foreign policy, who has only been in office for two years, and who has led one of the most irrelevant states in the country during that time and knows nothing about the issues she seems to be riled against (taxes? they are virtually tax-free in Alaska, because the oil company makes up those differences; abstinence-only education? that certainly worked in the Palin household, didn't it?). A woman who has embarrassed herself on the national stage on several occasions, yet still acts as if she is superior to the far more experienced Joe Biden.

And now, in the midst of an economic crisis, the man who admits he knows very little about the economy and the woman who knows nothing about anything are attacking a friendship Obama has with a domestic terrorist-- who hasn't committed a crime in four decades. In the midst of a collapsing economy, all John McCain and Sarah Palin want to do is tie Obama to terrorism-- because it isn't like the right-wing groups out there haven't done so already, with their photoshopped Obama-Osama pictures and "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" billboards.

And when McCain's campaign is asked for a reaction on these despicable instances, what do they respond with? The trump card which beats all other trump cards: John McCain was a POW, and because of that, he doesn't have to answer your silly questions.

Seriously. John McCain was a POW so he doesn't have to answer any of your silly questions. We've seen that a lot, haven't we?

"Why do you call Barack Obama an elitist when you own 8 houses and 13 cars?"
"POW!! I was a POW for five years!!"

"Why are you taking credit for the bailout bill, when you didn't have any significant influence in its implementation?"
"POW!! I was tortured, and you have to love me because of it!"

McCain is wearing his military service on his sleeve lately-- and my father, a former service member, has seen through these tactics and will be voting for Obama this year. Other veterans I know are repulsed by this behavior, and will not be voting for McCain because of it.

All the while, McCain's ignorance on the major issues affecting this country, as well as his political posturing, has made me completely repulsed by the man he has become.

John McCain is not an honorable man. He is a disgrace. He doesn't deserve the presidency any more, he doesn't even deserve to be running for it. He has made awful decision after awful decision, from the inexperienced argument to selecting Palin as his running mate to his using the POW card whenever he is asked a tough question.

These rallies just confirm it for me: John McCain is unworthy of the Presidency, in any sense. I hope we crush him in three weeks, or else this country will be damned.

Great post. I was 17 in 2000 so I couldn't vote but McCain was my pick before Bush got the nomination. I had alot of respect for him but over the last couple years it's all just went away because he's turned into everything he said he was against. I'm very liberal but I just liked the guy. What happened to the John McCain that I liked?

 

[Honey Vibe]

So, is it really that hard to control the other people speaking at your rallies? McCain is doing a ****ty job of trying to be respectful.

Indeed. The article states that the pastor who said it spoke before McCain arrived, but what was he doing on the stage in the first place?

 

[redfirebird2008]

Actually, I think Pat Robertson views him as a profit too.

HAHA. Brain fart. Prophet. t:

 

[Bill]

HAHA. Brain fart. Prophet. t:

Hey, I wasn't picking on you, but it made such a great set-up for an obvious joke I had to go for it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Hey, I wasn't picking on you, but it made such a great set-up for an obvious joke I had to go for it.

Oh by all means I thought it was hilarious. We all screw up those kinds of things sometimes, and like you said, it set up that joke just perfectly.

 

[Thinkton]

6-10-2008

This is what I am hearing from some news reports.


30% of white democratic voters will not vote for a black man.

50% of the 18 million Hillary women will not vote for Obama.

The majority of military voters are in McCain's camp.

McCain does better among men than does Obama.


This being the case, how is it that Obama seems to be up in the polls? It would have to mean that most of those who are white but will never vote for the black man will not be truthful to pollsters. Most of the Hillary women are not being honest to pollsters.

I also don't have confidence in the polls because of the media. As the days get closer I believe a more precise poll will be evident as people start to think about higher taxes and national security. McCain's real numbers will begin to show.

What do you think in support or against this issue?

 

[Hobgoblin]

This is what I am hearing from some news reports.


30% of white democratic voters will not vote for a black man.

50% of the 18 million Hillary women will not vote for Obama.

The majority of military voters are in McCain's camp.

McCain does better among men than does Obama.


This being the case, how is it that Obama seems to be up in the polls? It would have to mean that most of those who are white but will never vote for the black man will not be truthful to pollsters. Most of the Hillary women are not being honest to pollsters.

I also don't have confidence in the polls because of the media. As the days get closer I believe a more precise poll will be evident as people start to think about higher taxes and national security. McCain's real numbers will begin to show.

What do you think in support or against this issue?

There may well be a jump for McCain in the coming weeks, but I dont know how much good it will do. The highlighted part especially surprised me. I had heard that Iraq vets are sending donations to Obama 8 to 1 over McCain.