The McCain Thread

[ShadowBoxing]

Hooray for failing education

 

[CaptainClown]

Hooray for failing education

Keep em dumb makes em easier to control.

 

[Gilpesh]

Oh and here's a little funny thing about McCain and pork barrel spending:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print

As the Navy's top lobbyist, McCain was supposed to carry out the bidding of the secretary of the Navy. But in 1978 he went off the reservation. Vietnam was over, and the Carter administration, cutting costs, had decided against spending $2 billion to replace the aging carrier Midway. The secretary agreed with the administration's decision. Readiness would not be affected. The only reason to replace the carrier — at a cost of nearly $7 billion in today's dollars — was pork-barrel politics.

Although he now crusades against wasteful military spending, McCain had no qualms about secretly lobbying for a pork project that would pay for a dozen Bridges to Nowhere. "He did a lot of stuff behind the back of the secretary of the Navy," one lobbyist told Timberg. Working his Senate connections, McCain managed to include a replacement for the Midway in the defense authorization bill in 1978. Carter, standing firm, vetoed the entire spending bill to kill the carrier. When an attempt to override the veto fell through, however, McCain and his lobbyist friends didn't give up the fight. The following year, Congress once again approved funding for the carrier. This time, Carter — his pork-busting efforts undone by a turncoat Navy liaison — signed the bill.

 

[Prison Mike]

I think we all know what McCain meant; he knew what the woman was implying even though she didnt say it to him and cut her off, I dont think there was any racism in it.

I don't think McCain's comment was an intentional slap to the Arab or Muslim community but it does show what the common American thinks about them. I too was wondering, so what if he is an Arab or Muslim? There is a difference between the radicals and the normal Muslims who just want to live peacefully like any other American. I'm sure not all Christians would like to be grouped with the radical ones either.

 

[CaptainClown]

Christians are grouped with the crazy ones imo. Actually every group is categorized by their extreme stereotypes.

 

[redfirebird2008]

But that's a totally true statement. America is gun crazy and overly religious.

Yep. Romney's utter failure in the primaries was at least partially due to religious prejudice against Mormons. Obama has been dealing with prejudice against him because he has a Muslim name even though he's not Muslim (though in Obama's case, there's also racism going on and people are looking for another excuse to hate him, so idea of him being a Muslim makes it easier for them in their minds to hate him than the fact that he's black, which is likely at the core of their hatred in the first place but they know it's WRONG). A Jew could never get elected President either. And it was a HUGE deal when JFK got elected as the first Catholic. Yeah, I'd say this country does have a lot of people who cling to religion.

 

[kainedamo]

Remember our friend with the curious george teddy? Here he is again!

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[CaptainClown]

Yep. Romney's utter failure in the primaries was at least partially due to religious prejudice against Mormons. Obama has been dealing with prejudice against him because he has a Muslim name even though he's not Muslim. A Jew could never get elected President either. And it was a HUGE deal when JFK got elected as the first Catholic. Yeah, I'd say this country does have a lot of people who cling to religion.

but...if you don't believe in NRA Jesus...how can you lead the country in the correct direction when you are obviously going to hell....SPLAIN THAT REDFIREBIRD!



I am praying for the day we get an Agnostic minority bachelor for president...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Pastor at McCain rally tries to blackmail God.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/john-mccain-ral.html

Could someone please explain to him that Hindu is an ethnicity, not a God, and that Buddha is a man, who died, and also is not a God? What an idiot.

 

[The Senator]

But that's a totally true statement. America is gun crazy and overly religious.

Sadly, some Americans have worn their firearms and religion on their sleeve, and have subsequently categorized the nation as a whole as a gun-loving, Bible-thumping cult of personality. Obama, to an extent, had a point with his remarks; however, I am certain he could have, and should have, worded them better.

 

[Bathead]

The problem with the "Arab" lady, IMO was that McCain and Palin created the atmosphere which gave the lady the idea that it was OK to say something like that. McPalin tried to tie Obama to terrorism with this Ayers nonsense, and some idiots can't seem to separate "terrorist" from "Arab". I think even McCain finally realized that in his response to her (did you see how quickly he snatched the mike away from her?) Although I'm glad he responded how he did, with his recent behavior in the election, however, I can't help but feel he did it just to cover his behind, realizing this will hurt him if he doesn't. It also bothers me that he said nothing about the way she used the word "Arab" as an insult. Any word from the Arab community on this aspect of it?

 

[CaptainClown]

The problem with the "Arab" lady, iMO was that McCain and Palin created the atmosphere which gave the lady the idea that it was OK to say something like that. McPalin tried to tie Obama to terrorism with this Ayers nonsense, and some idiots can't seem to separate "terrorist" from "Arab". I think even McCain finally realized that in his response to her (did you see how quickly he snatched the mike away from her?) Although I'm glad he responded how he did, with his recent behavior in the election, however, I can't help but feel he did it just to cover his behind, realizing this will hurt him if he doesn't. It also bothers me that he said nothing about the way she used the word "Arab" as an insult. Any word from the Arab community on this aspect of it?

it was this

 

[redfirebird2008]

So apparently McCain is trying to claim that the same kind of crap is being yelled out at Obama's rallies about McCain. LOL, nice attempt to change the subject there, Johnny Mac.

 

[Gilpesh]

Oh... guys, stop ignoring my post about McCain wanting the government to reform businesses... he really said that....

 

[CaptainClown]

So apparently McCain is trying to claim that the same kind of crap is being yelled out at Obama's rallies about McCain. LOL, nice attempt to change the subject there, Johnny Mac.

I kind of want to find a video of an old man with an old man plushy and McCain around it. Then have him looking around frantically.

 

[jaguarr]

Oh boy...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/14/ayers-will-come-up-at-debate-mccain-says/

October 14, 2008
Ayers will come up at debate, McCain says
Posted: 12:15 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
McCain plans to criticize Obama's ties to Ayers at Wednesday night's debate.
McCain plans to criticize Obama's ties to Ayers at Wednesday night's debate.

(CNN) – John McCain and Sarah Palin appear to have dropped the subject of Barack Obama's connection to 1960's radical Bill Ayers from the campaign trail, but the Arizona senator said in an interview that aired Tuesday he'll likely bring it up at the third and final presidential debate Wednesday night.

The comments, during an interview with St. Louis radio station KMOX, come after Obama and Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden were sharply critical of McCain for targeting the Illinois senator over Ayers at campaign rallies, but not when the two last met for a presidential debate.

"I was astonished to hear him say that he was surprised I 'didn’t have the guts' to do that, because the fact is the question didn't come up in that fashion," McCain said of the last debate. "I think he's probably ensured it will come up this time."

McCain and Palin stepped up their criticism of Obama's past relationship with Ayers last week, as the GOP ticket's poll numbers continued to slide in the homestretch to Election Day. The campaign also released a string of ads that questioned Obama's truthfulness on the matter, in an effort to raise doubts about the Illinois senator's political origins and character. But the subject of Ayers was noticeably absent from both McCain and Palin's stump speeches Sunday and Monday, leading many political observers to conclude the campaign had deemed that line of attack ineffective.

Watch: Palin Renews Obama Attack

In the radio interview, McCain made clear he still thinks it's an issue.

"It’s not that I give a damn about some old washed up terrorist and his terrorist wife, who in 2001 said they wish they'd bombed more — what I care about, and what the American people care about, is whether he's being truthful," McCain told the St. Louis radio station.

It's like he WANTS Obama to get out the Keating Stick and beat him to death.

jag

 

[The Senator]

Oh boy...



It's like he WANTS Obama to get out the Keating Stick and beat him to death.

jag

Obama should point out that for the first time in history, both candidates on the Republican ticket have been charged with ethical misconduct before they were elected to the executive branch.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

McCain has become a more pestilent and less likeable version of Bob Dole.

 

[jaguarr]

Obama should point out that for the first time in history, both candidates on the Republican ticket have been charged with ethical misconduct before they were elected to the executive branch.

That would give Factcheck.org a *****, too, because it's absolutely true.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

I just don't get why they keep harping on the Ayers thing; nobody gives a f**k about it as the lack of interest in it the first 5 million times they brought it up shows. To conjure up good ol' Carville, "It's the economy, stupid!". And this whole "What? Don't like that economic plan? How about this one? Nope? Okay, what about this one?" thing that McCain is doing isn't helping him at all.

jag

 

[sinewave]

Oh boy...



It's like he WANTS Obama to get out the Keating Stick and beat him to death.

jag

"It’s not that I give a damn about some old washed up terrorist and his terrorist wife, who in 2001 said they wish they'd bombed more — what I care about, and what the American people care about, is whether he's being truthful," McCain told the St. Louis radio station.

factcheck should own him on this quote. he's sounding as nutty as lazur.

 

[Excel]

Obama should point out that for the first time in history, both candidates on the Republican ticket have been charged with ethical misconduct before they were elected to the executive branch.

Oh man

This just makes us look stupid.

 

[lazur]

Oh boy...



It's like he WANTS Obama to get out the Keating Stick and beat him to death.

jag

Except that he was exonerated of any wrong-doing by a bipartisan investigation...

So let me get this straight. Palin is investigated by a 'bipartisan' committee, which was LED by two pro-Obama Democrats, but even if she hadn't been found to be abusing power, you'd STILL say that she was guilty? That's exactly what anyone who brings up Keating is doing...

 

[jaguarr]

Except that he was exonerated of any wrong-doing by a bipartisan investigation...

Ehhh...I wouldn't say he was exonerated. He clearly exercised poor judgment in the matter and the report said as much; the same "crime" McCain is accusing Obama of over Ayers: poor judgment. Add in Charlie Black, Ralph Reed, Phil Gramm, Jack Abramoff, Carl Lindner Jr., Rick Renzi, G. Gordon Liddy...well, McCain's judgement over the company he keeps suddenly seems a hell of a lot worse than Obamas.

So let me get this straight. Palin is investigated by a 'bipartisan' committee, which was LED by two pro-Obama Democrats, but even if she hadn't been found to be abusing power, you'd STILL say that she was guilty? That's exactly what anyone who brings up Keating is doing...

You're comparing oranges to apples. Palin was in fact found to be in violation of ethics laws (something she has in common with McCain, funnily enough). That means they have abused their power. Far different from trying to make a loose connection between Obama and Ayers.

jag

 

[Fading]

Let me get this straight. Palin is investigated by a 'bipartisan' committee, which was LED by two pro-Obama Democrats...

And you got on someone else for using party tag lines just a bit ago in another thread?

http://www.donklephant.com/2008/10/10/mccain-campaign-calls-troopergate-partisan-theyre-wrong/

The report also illustrates what we've known all along: this was a partisan led inquiry led by Obama supporters.

Now I know why every since the Troopergate findings were released why you've repeatedly said that.

Seriously....it's NOT hard to find out the facts on this if you look past party catch phrases and press releases. The FACTS are that there were 8, count em', 8 republicans, and 4 democrats on that committee. We're talking twice as many republicans as democrats on the committee.

Funny thing is if it was an inquiry on Obama, and the committee was made up of 8 democrats and 4 republicans we'd never heard the end of it.