The McCain Thread

Who will be McCain's runningmate?

  • Mitt Romney (former Governor of Massachussets)

  • Mike Huckabee (former Governor of Arkansas)

  • Rudy Giuliani (former mayor New York)

  • Charlie Christ (current governor of Florida)

  • Fred Thompson (former US Senator of Tennessee)

  • Condaleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

  • Colin Powell (former Secretary of State)

  • JC Watts (former Republican chairman of Republican House)

  • Rob Portman (Director of Office of Management and Budget)

  • Tim Pawlenty (Governor of Minnesota)

  • Bobby Jindal (Governor of Lousiana)

  • Mark Sanford (Governor of South Carolina)

  • Lindsey Graham (US Senator of South Carolina)

  • Sarah Palin (Governor of Alaska)

  • Kay Hutchinson (US Senator of Texas)

  • John Thune (US Senator of South Dakota)

  • Haley Barbour (Governor of Mississippi)

  • Marsha Blackburn (US Tenessee Representative)

  • Joseph Lieberman (US Senator of Connecticut)

  • Sonny Perdue (Governor of Georgia)

  • George Allen (former US Senator of Virginia)

  • Matt Blunt (Governor of Missouri)

  • some other US Senator, congressman

  • some other Governor

  • some dark horse like Dick Cheney


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What I do hope this will do is force the Republican party to rethink this catering to ultra-conservatives and religious nuts that they've been doing for the past decade or more, instead of sticking closer to the roots of their party and trying to remain more centrist. This election has clearly proven that strategy to be fruitless and damaging so maybe it will force them to take a long, hard look at what their party is going to represent and stand for in the future. Between McCain and Bush, they've pretty much painted themselves as zealots who will do anything it takes and go as negative as possible, engaging in sleazy politics, to win office and then do nothing but cater to their religious and ultra-conservative base and their corporate lobbyist buddies. Not a really good image to convey, nor a good long-term political platform for that matter. I don't like the idea of the Dem's being essentially unchallenged by another major party, either. There needs to be one to balance the other out in sort of a yin-yang fashion. As it's looking right now, the GOP is headed for a big meltdown before they'll be able to start rebuilding and that process could take them a decade or more.

jag

the scary part is that their base is convinced that palin and her bush-style politics is the future of the party. i sincerely hope that's not true. there's got to be a way for them to get big-religion's claws out of their hyde so they can get away from all that divisive, holier-than-thou style they've been running with these last couple of decades. it's not helping this country when you claim to have a "real" america full of god-loving, small town patriots who don't necessarily walk the walk and a "fake" america full of secular, baby-killing, sissy defeatists.
 
WTF is wrong with the McCain campaign? They are muzzling a guy who stood up against a nutjob anti-Muslim person at one of the McCain rallies. He wanted to talk to CNN about the incident but McCain's campaign won't let him. He works for the campaign by the way.

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That's the best thing I've seen come from McCain's supporters all year. Nice going guys, I applaud you. :up: :applaud:applaud:applaud
 
the scary part is that their base is convinced that palin and her bush-style politics is the future of the party. i sincerely hope that's not true. there's got to be a way for them to get big-religion's claws out of their hyde so they can get away from all that divisive, holier-than-thou style they've been running with these last couple of decades. it's not helping this country when you claim to have a "real" america full of god-loving, small town patriots who don't necessarily walk the walk and a "fake" america full of secular, baby-killing, sissy defeatists.

See, it's only a portion of their base that has this mindset, though. Look at all the Republicans bailing out and running away from them during this election. The real conservatives and more moderate Republicans have had it with that kind of crap.

jag
 
See, it's only a portion of their base that has this mindset, though. Look at all the Republicans bailing out and running away from them during this election. The real conservatives and more moderate Republicans have had it with that kind of crap.

jag

yeah, and that's great. i guess it's just that the nuts are the most vocal. i respect the ones who are fighting against it or deserting them altogether.
 
Joe McCain [McNugget's Brother] calls 911 because of traffic. HAHAHA! :lmao:

Alexandria (web|news) - A 911 tape, reportedly of Sen. John McCain (web|news|bio) 's brother Joe, could prove controversial for the McCain camp since the call was not for an emergency, but rather to complain about being stuck in traffic.

The call came into Alexandria's 911 system on October 21.

Operator: 911 state your emergency

Caller: It's not an emergency, but do you know why on one side at the damn drawbridge of 95 traffic is stopped for 15 minutes and yet traffic's coming the other way?

Operator: Sir, are you calling 911 to complain about traffic? (pause)

Caller: "(Expletive) you." (caller hangs up)

The complaint call about traffic on the Wilson Bridge forced the 911 dispatcher to call back. The voice mail on the other end, appears to belong to Joe McCain, brother of presidential candidate, John McCain.

"Hi this is Joe McCain. I can't take this message now because I'm involved in a very (inaudible) important political project. I hope on November 4th we have elected John."

"I think it's horrible. I can't believe somebody would tie up valuable resources to complain about traffic," said District resident Nancy Case.

"It seems stupid, my name can be tagged to this, why would I hose my brother, why would I do it," asked District resident Rob Case.

But that wasn't all. McCain apparently called 911 again to complain about the message the operator just left him, warning him such use of 911 is criminal.

Caller: Somebody gave me this riot act about the violation of police.

Operator: Did you just call 911 in reference to this?

Caller: Yeah.

Operator: 911 is to be used for emergencies only not just because you're sitting in traffic.


"The future president, possible president whatever, possible president, can't control what someone does, but this gentleman should be fined or something should happen to him," said tourist Suzanna Rey.

The McCain campaign has not commented on the issue, although it's said the campaign did listen to the call. ABC 7/NewsChannel 8 crews tried to reach Joe McCain, but were unable to.
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It's like a Family Guy episode or something! :grin:

VIDEO HERE: http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1008/563913.html
 
Doctors estimate McCain's survival rate.

Whether pundits dub it melanoma-gate, relapse-gate, or perhaps prognostic model-gate, there's an unprecedented amount of interest in the odds that John McCain will drop dead in the next four to eight years due to a skin cancer relapse.

The latest armchair doctoring comes in the pages of The Lancet, from a physician who has donated $4600 to the Obama campaign and another $28,500 to the Democratic National Committee.

John Alam, a Cambridge, Massachusetts, physician with 17-years in clinical research who now works as a biotechnology consultant, estimates that Senator John McCain has a 6% risk of dying of a melanoma recurrence each year – or about 22% over four years. "There is a one-in-four to one-in-five chance that he would not survive a first term," he told New Scientist.

This is higher than the estimate of McCain's physician at the Mayo Clinic, who previously told reporters that he had a less than 10% chance of deadly relapse. On the other end of the scale, a group of physicians – and Obama supporters – has called on McCain to release more health records, claiming that his risk of relapse could be higher than 60%.

Alam's estimate is based on studies of the survival rates of others with melanoma, where the patients were grouped by the size and location of their tumour, their gender and age. His estimate – which is no more than an educated guess, of course – falls between the previous estimates of 10 and 60% for one important reason.
New procedure

Many of the prognostic models that others have cited are based on patient studies that did not perform a sentinel lymph node (SLN) biopsy, a relatively new procedure that attempts to determine whether a tumour has spread to lymph nodes that serve as a cellular superhighway for aggressive tumours.

If the biopsy turns up no melanoma after surgery, patients are at a far lower risk of relapse and mortality than patients who are SLN-positive, according to two recent clinical studies.

However, some dermatologists worry that failing to detect melanoma in the biopsy can lead to false negatives and an underestimate of relapse risk. However, the procedure has become routine in patients with more advanced melanomas, such as McCain's, Alam says.

McCain, according to records posted on his campaign website, was SLN-negative when doctors performed the biopsy in August 2000, Alam writes in a short letter to The Lancet.

Alam says he performed the analysis independent of the Obama campaign. "Because the analysis is an objective, evidence-based analysis, I believe my having contributed has no bearing on the results of the analysis," he adds.

For comparison, a quick web search reveals the odds of dying in the US of other causes, natural and unnatural:

* Heart disease (lifetime) 1 in 5
* Poisoning (lifetime): 1 in 180
* Firearm (lifetime): 1 in 324
* Car accident (lifetime): 1 in 247
* Bicycle accident (lifetime): 1 in 4,472
* Defenestration (lifetime): 1 in 6,422
* Venomous plants and animals (lifetime): 1 in 46,539
* Legal execution (lifetime): 1 in 72,494
* Lightning (lifetime): 1 in 81,949
* Fireworks (lifetime): 1 in 1,884,832
* Shark (annual): 1 in 8,000,000

The 1/4th chance of survival is higher than other actuary figures that placed McCain's mortality at 33-40% within the next 4 years.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...k.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news1_head_dn15026
 

I thought this story sounded odd from the beginning. It's been used recently as a defense when ppl bring up the hate of the McCain rallies, and I'm guessing that's the reason that woman did it. Tacking on that it was a black man, and that he carved a backwards B in her after seeing a McCain bumper sticker was obviously to rile the base...didn't help she was working with the campaign. It's just silly to begin with, and sad that she wants her politician to win so bad that she'd inflict physical harm to herself.

I know I don't know the lady, but not buying into the, "I don't know where the backwards B came from" either. She obviously knew the injuries were self inflicted or she wouldn't have came clean, therefore if she knew she did the damage to herself, she had to have known she carved the B into herself as well. She's just trying to play dumb to lesson any trouble she might get into.
 
What I do hope this will do is force the Republican party to rethink this catering to ultra-conservatives and religious nuts that they've been doing for the past decade or more, instead of sticking closer to the roots of their party and trying to remain more centrist...

Excellent post jag, and I agree that the republican party does need to look at what it's become. Dirty campaigning, catering almost exclusively to one group of ppl, doing whatever it takes to win. For most ppl it's a turn off, and obviously it's not working this time. After the McCain disaster this year, it's a perfect chance for self examination as a party, straighten priorities, and not to just cater to who will get them elected.

Dems could also use self examination as well. It took 2 wars, and a financial crisis to get a democrat as president in today's climate, especially considering one of those tries was against an increasingly unpopular Bush. Not counting other democrat politicians who have messed up.
 
LOL, here's one with Cindy in the picture. She looks like she's grinding her teeth when he starts screwing up:

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That was hilarious and at the same time very painful to watch.
 
Being an Obama supporter it seems I'd like that video but yeah, its kinda hard to watch. Scary to think about how old he is.
 
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Energy Independence

Maybe this will shut Palin up a little while :grin:

Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, presidential campaign years give us economists a lot of "teaching moments," that is, chances to educate the public about basic, important economic truths. This campaign year is no different. I say "unfortunately" because we get a cold dose of reality, an awareness that, whatever the candidates do or don't understand, they think they have running room to make nonsensical statements. And they think correctly. Very few people in the public and very few people in the media know that their statements are nonsense. Parenthetically, because this is not what I want chance to focus on in today's blog, that was what was so refreshing about "Joe the Plumber." He saw a vulnerability in Barack Obama's thinking and, sure enough, got Obama to reveal his collectivist view of wealth. I'll lay out my thoughts on that in a later blog if other issues are not more pressing.

The fortunate part is that people's interest in issues is heightened during presidential campaigns. Invariably, I see this in my classes. When the campaigns are on, I get more questions from students about the campaign issues, a high percent of which don't seem to be "gotcha" questions directed at either of the main candidates, but, rather, seem to be based on genuine curiosity.

One issue that has arisen in this campaign is the issue of "energy independence." Both McCain and Obama believe that moving towards energy independence is a good idea. But, as I pointed out in this month's The Freeman, it's not. Energy independence is no more desirable than coffee independence, banana independence, or car independence. The case for free trade does not break down just because the good being exchanged is important, as oil is. It doesn't generally make sense, if your goal is the wellbeing of country A's citizens, for country A's government to impose tariffs or import quotas on a product from other countries. Even if we put the moral arguments against coercion aside, and even if we nationalistically care only about Americans (I don't care only about Americans), the gains to the domestic producers from reducing trade are less than the losses to domestic consumers. I won't repeat that argument here because you can go to The Freeman to read it.

Many people think oil is different in one other fundamental way: they think we are vulnerable because countries that send us oil might cut us off. Sure enough, when I laid this out in class last week during a discussion of trade barriers, one of my students quoted Senator McCain's statement that in buying as much oil from abroad as we do, "we are sending $700 billion a year to people who hate us." (Actually, McCain's usual version is "don't like us very much." I believe, although I couldn't find it on the web, that I've heard McCain use the word "hate.") I answered that I don't think Canadians hate us that much. (It comes as a surprise to most people that we import more oil from Canada than from any other country. Mexico and Saudi Arabia vie for second.) I also think that many of these foreigners hate our government more than they hate us. Most of the polling data of other countries' citizens' views of America are not about their views of Americans but of their views of the U.S. government. This is a distinction, by the way, that Americans seem to have trouble making. But I also pointed out that even if we take McCain's statement as true, notice what McCain is saying: Even countries that hate us want to sell us oil. To paraphrase Adam Smith, it is not from the benevolence of the Saudi Arabian or Venezuelan producers that we fill our gas tanks, but from their regard for their own self-interest. Indeed, this statement of McCain goes further than Adam Smith. In Adam Smith's world, the butcher, baker, or brewer might have been indifferent to you or only mildly liked you. But McCain's statement illustrates Gary Becker's point that free markets break down discrimination: you might hate that guy who wants your product, but you love yourself and your family, and so you sell it to him.
 
Man, Letterman was really going for the jugular there. When we look back at what caused people elections it'll go something like this:

Michael Dukakis - Willy Horton

John Kerry - Swift vet ads

John McCain - David Letterman

Never again will a candidate cross David Letterman.

Basically, McCain got caught lying to a guy a lot of Americans bring into their bedrooms late at night.

And it was a stupid lie. If McCain had taken the plane to DC and been interviewed by Couric, NY Studios to DC Studios, he'd a) have told the truth to Letterman, and b) contributed to his attempt to make himself look like a leader by being inteviewed on the News.

Someone told him to stay in New York after he'd bowed out of the Letterman show. Whoever that guy is, he did more harm to McCain than the girl who branded herself with a "B" on her face!
 
New McCain ad:



The DNC and Obama campaign should come out with a replica of that ad but use LIEBERMAN'S EXACT SAME WORDS AGAINST HIM. Stuff like this ticks me off.
 
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