The McCain Thread

Who will be McCain's runningmate?

  • Mitt Romney (former Governor of Massachussets)

  • Mike Huckabee (former Governor of Arkansas)

  • Rudy Giuliani (former mayor New York)

  • Charlie Christ (current governor of Florida)

  • Fred Thompson (former US Senator of Tennessee)

  • Condaleeza Rice (Secretary of State)

  • Colin Powell (former Secretary of State)

  • JC Watts (former Republican chairman of Republican House)

  • Rob Portman (Director of Office of Management and Budget)

  • Tim Pawlenty (Governor of Minnesota)

  • Bobby Jindal (Governor of Lousiana)

  • Mark Sanford (Governor of South Carolina)

  • Lindsey Graham (US Senator of South Carolina)

  • Sarah Palin (Governor of Alaska)

  • Kay Hutchinson (US Senator of Texas)

  • John Thune (US Senator of South Dakota)

  • Haley Barbour (Governor of Mississippi)

  • Marsha Blackburn (US Tenessee Representative)

  • Joseph Lieberman (US Senator of Connecticut)

  • Sonny Perdue (Governor of Georgia)

  • George Allen (former US Senator of Virginia)

  • Matt Blunt (Governor of Missouri)

  • some other US Senator, congressman

  • some other Governor

  • some dark horse like Dick Cheney


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Not only that, but most people in the 200-250k salary range, especially corporations and going to be taking huge deductions on qualified expenses.

It's amazing that some still think that one can avoid taxation completely. You can't. you can only reduce tax liability. There will always be taxes
 
Yeah because we all know that a Cheney endorsement will win over indecisive voters as well as some Democratic voters.

At this point, Cheney endorsing McCain is about as positive for McCain as an endorsment from Osama Bin Laden would be for him, which is to say not very positive at all. :grin:
 
At this point, Cheney endorsing McCain is about as positive for McCain as an endorsment from Osama Bin Laden would be for him, which is to say not very positive at all. :grin:

Yeah, that is what I was trying to suggest!:hehe:
 
I explained my position on taxation. Those who earn more should pay more. It should be pretty elementary, to be honest. Those who earn less shouldn't be paying the bulk of the tax burden when the top income earners in this country make more money collectively than everyone in the middle class combined.

Praise be.
 
No one is going to pay 94% of their income in taxes. The upper class will go back to the same taxes they were paying under Clinton, and EVERYONE, or nearly everyone, was doing exceedingly well back then, both upper and middle class.

I never said they pay 94% of their income. The Upper 50% pay 94% of the federal income tax.
 
Not whining at all because I believe Obama will do what he says and also I believe he will become the next President of the United States so I'm very optimstic that the wealthy will be finally get to walk in the shoes of the middle class for a while...at least in terms of taxes.

I'm just confused about where you got your numbers as jman was.

I posted the link a page ago.
 
I explained my position on taxation. Those who earn more should pay more. It should be pretty elementary, to be honest. Those who earn less shouldn't be paying the bulk of the tax burden when the top income earners in this country make more money collectively than everyone in the middle class combined.

1. They already pay the most.
2. Why would anybody work hard or start a business when the government would take our money away.
 
2. Why would anybody work hard or start a business when the government would take our money away.
Because they'd still make an unlimited amount of money?
Because they'd make more than they'd make working for someone else?
Because they wouldn't have to answer to anyone?
 
Because they'd still make an unlimited amount of money?
Because they'd make more than they'd make working for someone else?
Because they wouldn't have to answer to anyone?

It'd be impossible to mantain a business with that amount of tax.
 
The wealthy meaning, those with a little above average income, have to pay 94.5 % of their income. The others pay only 5.5 % of their income for tax. So stop whining.

I never said they pay 94% of their income. The Upper 50% pay 94% of the federal income tax.

Who besides you defines the wealthy as those with a little above average income? What is average income?

Also saying that the Upper 50% pay 94% of the federal income tax is a convenient way of dodging saying who pays the majority of that 94%.
 
Ahhh, damn I made a typo. That's what you get when you try to remember the fact in your head.
 
I explained my position on taxation. Those who earn more should pay more. It should be pretty elementary, to be honest. Those who earn less shouldn't be paying the bulk of the tax burden when the top income earners in this country make more money collectively than everyone in the middle class combined.
You mean in the 10% from a millionaire is more than 10% from a 50k income sense? Or the progressive taxation system of getting the more rich to pay even more percentage wise?
 
Cheney endorsed McCain this morning. Not surprisingly, Biden and Obama were all over it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/01/dick-cheney-endorses-mcca_n_139990.html
If Cheney endorsed no one or Obama, it would go "well ****, there is turmoil and dissent in the Republican party - not looking good. McCain is pissing everyone in the GOP off, he is a crazy and senile coot. This is bad news for McCain."

If Cheney endorsed McCain, it would go "well ****, more Bush Administration. This bad news for McCain."

:woot:
 
FiveThirtyEight.com:

Taken exactly 72 hours before the polls close in Florida's Panhandle, the McCain-Palin Victory Center in Santa Rosa Beach:

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Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.

A real maverick doesn't even need to try to win an election, apparently.
 
Wow, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for critcisms here.

Nah. Cause a percentage of someone's income is a lot different than a flat amount. You wrote "amount." I mean, if the govt. was telling me to pay a flat amount and I didn't even make that much, that'd be incredibly unfair.
 
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Has Bush made a public endorsement of McCain yet? I haven't seen any commercials or public announcements.
 
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/31/socialism/index.html

Is Barack Obama a socialist?
If he is, then so is John McCain. But the charge is just a racial dog whistle anyway. Can you say "welfare queen"?

By Michael Lind

Nov. 01, 2008 |

John McCain, struggling to catch up with Barack Obama in the last days of the campaign, has finally found a theme for a campaign that until now has lacked one. He is running for the White House to defend capitalism against socialism. Because Barack Obama in an unguarded moment to Joe the Plumber said he wanted to "spread the wealth," McCain and Palin are painting the senator from Illinois as a "redistributionist" or "redistributor" (they can't decide on the appropriate term), a subversive and sinister figure who is peddling "socialism." It's not enough for McCain to run against Obama as though he were George McGovern. McCain is trying to equate Obama with Eugene Debs and Norman Thomas, the socialist candidates for the presidency of yesteryear. Never mind that Jonah Goldberg has spent a couple of years denouncing liberal fascism. Fascists last week, progressives like Obama are now socialists. Which is to say, "commies."

McCain's desperate use of the socialist smear is particularly shameless, given the dubiousness of his own conservative credentials. The left's chant of "McSame" to the contrary, McCain and Rudy Giuliani were the (relative) moderates among the 2008 Republican contenders. Most conservatives in the GOP primaries voted against McCain, who won the nomination only because of the support of moderate Republicans and independents and the mutual annihilation of the real conservatives -- Romney, the business right's candidate, and Huckabee, the religious right's candidate. The radical right can be counted on to know its own. On March 12, 2007, the Club for Growth wrote of McCain, "his overall record is tainted by a naked antipathy towards the free market and individual freedom." Like George Herbert Walker Bush in 1988 and 1992, McCain, the rich and establishmentarian son and grandson of admirals, has had to overcome the suspicion of the Republican base. This dynamic explains the decisions of his campaign, from his choice of right-wing heroine Sarah Palin as his running mate to his charges that Obama is a socialist and redistributionist.

In a country in which substantial numbers believe that space aliens crashed at Roswell, it would be foolish for Obama supporters to let the socialist charge go unanswered. Fortunately, conservative and libertarian heroes like Friedrich von Hayek, Milton Friedman, Ronald Reagan and John McCain himself can be called by the Obama team as witnesses for the defense.

McCain and Palin claim that Obama's proposed healthcare system is socialist. It is nothing of the sort. It is a variant of the employer-friendly, insurance-friendly "play-or-pay" scheme discussed in the 1990s. Employers will be given the choice of providing tax-favored health insurance to their employees or being taxed to support a public insurance system. Over time the latter might expand, but for the foreseeable future our dysfunctional private insurance system will survive.

But what if Obama had proposed a single-payer system of "socialized medicine" instead? The bible of free-market libertarians is Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" (1946), which, like the other Bible, few acolytes appear to have read. In his masterpiece, von Hayek attacked central planning, but made it clear that his arguments did not apply to government-run healthcare systems like that of postwar Britain.

Another champion of healthcare socialism was the late Milton Friedman, the Nobel Prize-winning libertarian economist who popularized free-market fundamentalism in tracts like "Free to Choose." While he favored individual health savings accounts for minor expenses, Friedman proposed that major costs be paid for by mandatory catastrophic healthcare coverage run by the federal government. Ronald Reagan -- yet another socialist like Obama, it appears -- liked this redistributionist idea so much he proposed its enactment.

Milton Friedman's socialism did not end with healthcare. McCain and Palin claim that Obama is a socialist because he supports various refundable tax credits for the poor. A refundable tax credit is a government payment to those who make too little to pay income taxes, in the amount of the credit they could have claimed against their income taxes if they were more affluent. In the 1970s, Friedman pushed the granddaddy of all refundable tax credits, the Negative Income Tax, which would have replaced most in-kind welfare benefits with checks to the poor. Friedman's Negative Income Tax was proposed by that well-known leftist radical Richard Nixon.

The negative income tax went nowhere, but another refundable tax credit became the favorite tool of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush in combating poverty -- the earned income tax credit (EITC), which is paid to workers with low wages. Conservative Republicans favor the EITC because it is a subsidy to sleazy low-wage employers. They also believe it averts political pressure for a decent, which is to say much higher, minimum wage. In other words, the EITC so beloved by Reagan and Bush is not only socialism but also corporate welfare.

Obama favors more progressive income and capital gains taxation. In spreading this kind of socialism and redistributionism, he was until recently allied with his fellow member of the U.S. Senate, John Sidney McCain of Arizona. McCain was one of only two Republicans to vote against Bush's 2001 tax cuts and one of only three to vote against his 2003 tax cuts. McCain, sounding suspiciously Bolshevik, explained why: "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the more fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief." What a commie.

Finally, Obama has been attacked by the right for proposing to lift the cap on how much income is subject to the Social Security payroll tax. On July 23, 2005, John McCain, asked by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" whether he could accept lifting the cap on payroll taxation, replied, "As part of a compromise I could ..."

Without exception, all of the policies supported by Obama belong to broad categories of public policies that have been supported, in one form or another, by conservative-libertarian thinkers like Friedman and von Hayek and conservative politicians like Reagan, George W. Bush and McCain himself. The differences between them and Obama are differences of degree, not of kind.

But while this is true it may not matter, if McCain's last-minute clarion call is really a racial "dog whistle." The McCain campaign may appear to be debating public philosophy, when in fact it is making a disguised appeal to white racism. If that is the case, then "redistributionist" and "socialist" may be intended to be understood by white swing voters as code words that function the way that "welfare queen" did for the Reagan campaign. A "socialist" or "redistributionist" is a politician who taxes white people like Joe the Plumber and gives money to ... you know who.

If this is the tactic, then it might be working. The polls are tightening in the final days of the campaign. Should McCain surprise the pundits and pull off a victory, historians may judge that it was because of his desperate insinuation that white people would be taxed to pay for welfare for Latinos and blacks. And if he should lose, conservative operatives planning for the next cycle may decide that this was the right tactic, pursued too late. Whether he wins or loses, by using "socialist" and "redistributionist" in an environment in which they were likely to be interpreted as racially charged smears, John McCain may have damaged not only his reputation but our society.

-- By Michael Lind
 
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