Superman Returns the moral of SR story

[SuperDaniel]

The moral of the story is that Superman traveled thousand miles on space to look for home and his family when all of the time, Earth was it and his family was here.

HOWEVER, it was so badly executed that the theme got lost in a lot of crap (Luthor`s plot, bad editing) and tons homages regarding the first movie.

 

[matthooper]

The moral of the story is that Superman traveled thousand miles on space to look for home and his family when all of the time, Earth was it and his family was here.

HOWEVER, it was so badly executed that the theme got lost in a lot of crap (Luthor`s plot, bad editing) and tons homages regarding the first movie.

...and to show just how bad that moral was executed, I just realized it now.

You forgot to mention the awkward flashbacks, throwing a poor dog's ball over state lines for no reason, overuse of kryptonite, a kid throwing a piano, no consequenses for leaving for 5 years (until the moment he gets back), no chemistry between Superman and Lois....I'm tired now.

 

[MFM]

Some of the moral I gained from SR:
- If we spend LOADS of money on some special FX scenes, cut it out entirely from the movie.
- Never trust Singer with LOADS of money.
- Never let Singer anywhere near Superman franchise in the future.

 

[CGHulk]

Some of the moral I gained from SR:
- If we spend LOADS of money on some special FX scenes, cut it out entirely from the movie.
- Never trust Singer with LOADS of money.
- Never let Singer anywhere near Superman franchise in the future.

Exactly!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree. In the comics he has a family. WIfe and now apparently adopted son of Zod. In SR, he has dysfunction. No wife, and a biological child who he's not raising and who doesn't know who his real father is not a family, it is dysfunction. While it may be interesting, it's just not congruent with the Superman character.

For the record, I've always disliked the 'mandate' in the Donner films.

Well i liked the problems presented to Superman in SR AND the comics, though i have yet to read the particular arc you are referring to with Zod's son.

 

[mego joe]

Well i liked the problems presented to Superman in SR AND the comics, though i have yet to read the particular arc you are referring to with Zod's son.

Remember, IMO, the problems in SR come from Superman being portrayed out of character, hence the difference.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Remember, IMO, the problems in SR come from Superman being portrayed out of character, hence the difference.

The moral is that if you're a crybaby emo superhero and you cant get your way, even though the world loves you and needs you, you should just die in your hospital bed like an injured woman unless you find out that you have a kid. Because a kid is like a little piece of yourself, and yourself is all that matters.

 

[daywalker2007]

the moral is wear a condom

and make sure it doesnt split

 

[superbaby]

The moral is that if you're a crybaby emo superhero and you cant get your way, even though the world loves you and needs you, you should just die in your hospital bed like an injured woman unless you find out that you have a kid. Because a kid is like a little piece of yourself, and yourself is all that matters.

hilarious.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Remember, IMO, the problems in SR come from Superman being portrayed out of character, hence the difference.

And hence why we disagree about SR, i dont find him that out of character in SR.

 

[El Payaso]

And hence why we disagree about SR, i dont find him that out of character in SR.

No more than in another bits of STM and SII.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Just not that much from the comics to be honest, i mean, i have read around 20 graphic novels by now, and IMO the Superman in SR is basically the same as in the comics. The only difference is, in SR, Superman is put in a situation that he has never been in before, in any medium, so how think it is impossible to judge how he would act when put in an unusual situation.

 

[El Payaso]

^Just not that much from the comics to be honest, i mean, i have read around 20 graphic novels by now, and IMO the Superman in SR is basically the same as in the comics. The only difference is, in SR, Superman is put in a situation that he has never been in before, in any medium, so how think it is impossible to judge how he would act when put in an unusual situation.

That's what I got too. I finally saw a new challenging situation for Superman in his personal life.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Exactly, which made it more interesting to me than just something re-hashed from the comics.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The problem is that it didnt quite worked. Its not the idea that sucks. Its the execution.

 

[mego joe]

^Just not that much from the comics to be honest, i mean, i have read around 20 graphic novels by now, and IMO the Superman in SR is basically the same as in the comics. The only difference is, in SR, Superman is put in a situation that he has never been in before, in any medium, so how think it is impossible to judge how he would act when put in an unusual situation.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

SUperman didn't have sex with Lois in the comics w/o first revealing his identity to her. THis is exactly the opposite in SR, yet the exact same situation.

I also don't think that SUperman's character is so hard to figure out that it should be obvious that he WOULD be honest with Lois about leaving for 5 years. THat is the problem. Everything else follows from this.

You are focussing on what happens after he comes back, not what happened before he left. THat is the part of the story that is just wrong concerning the characterization of SUperman.

 

[superbaby]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

SUperman didn't have sex with Lois in the comics w/o first revealing his identity to her. THis is exactly the opposite in SR, yet the exact same situation.

I also don't think that SUperman's character is so hard to figure out that it should be obvious that he WOULD be honest with Lois about leaving for 5 years. THat is the problem. Everything else follows from this.

You are focussing on what happens after he comes back, not what happened before he left. THat is the part of the story that is just wrong concerning the characterization of SUperman.

i thought you complaint too on the character of superman after he came back. u know, the emo, stalker, and so on.

 

[mego joe]

i thought you complaint too on the character of superman after he came back. u know, the emo, stalker, and so on.

Yes, the stalker thing is troublesome in the context of the situation, depsite protests of other saying he used to do it all the time in the comics, again it's about context. Everyone knows he not checking in to make sure Lois is alright, it's obvious he's peeping in b/c he's jealous and doing the high school drive by thing.

As far as the emo goes, I'm a little to old to understand that concept. It's a generation gap thing. SUperman can be trouble and upset, that's OK, I just don't understand 'emo.' I thought I got it when someone explained it to me in terms of Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't seem to be the same situation as as SR.

Of course everything that happens in SR is driven by his decison to leave w/o telling Lois goodbye. If you can't buy that, then the rest of the movie is pointless, just like Lex's land scheme.

 

[buggs0268]

The moral is that if you make a stupid movie that fails to make the money it intended, then the company will pass on a sequel and correct everything you did to mess up.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

SUperman didn't have sex with Lois in the comics w/o first revealing his identity to her. THis is exactly the opposite in SR, yet the exact same situation.

But he has dated her as Superman in the comics without revealing his identity to her in the past, i just see it as in SR they modernised and updated that situation.

I also don't think that SUperman's character is so hard to figure out that it should be obvious that he WOULD be honest with Lois about leaving for 5 years. THat is the problem. Everything else follows from this.

You are focussing on what happens after he comes back, not what happened before he left. THat is the part of the story that is just wrong concerning the characterization of SUperman.

Well yes, i think he should have said goodbye to her, but as i have said before, the reason he didnt IMO is because he didnt want to see Lois in pain.

Yes, the stalker thing is troublesome in the context of the situation, depsite protests of other saying he used to do it all the time in the comics, again it's about context. Everyone knows he not checking in to make sure Lois is alright, it's obvious he's peeping in b/c he's jealous and doing the high school drive by thing.

As far as the emo goes, I'm a little to old to understand that concept. It's a generation gap thing. SUperman can be trouble and upset, that's OK, I just don't understand 'emo.' I thought I got it when someone explained it to me in terms of Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't seem to be the same situation as as SR.

Of course everything that happens in SR is driven by his decison to leave w/o telling Lois goodbye. If you can't buy that, then the rest of the movie is pointless, just like Lex's land scheme.

As i have stated before about the stalker thing whatever: ) this again, not only has it been done in the comics, but also, in the context of the movie, i found it acceptable, at that moment in time, he is probably feeling more lonely than he has EVER felt before in ANY medium. Hence he needed to see Lois.

 

[El Payaso]

Yes, the stalker thing is troublesome in the context of the situation, depsite protests of other saying he used to do it all the time in the comics, again it's about context. Everyone knows he not checking in to make sure Lois is alright, it's obvious he's peeping in b/c he's jealous and doing the high school drive by thing.

As far as the emo goes, I'm a little to old to understand that concept. It's a generation gap thing. SUperman can be trouble and upset, that's OK, I just don't understand 'emo.' I thought I got it when someone explained it to me in terms of Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't seem to be the same situation as as SR.

Of course everything that happens in SR is driven by his decison to leave w/o telling Lois goodbye. If you can't buy that, then the rest of the movie is pointless, just like Lex's land scheme.

Let's see...
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=77398&dict=CALD

stalk (FOLLOW) Show phonetics
verb
1 [T] to follow an animal or person as closely as possible without being seen or heard, usually in order to catch or kill them:
The police had been stalking the woman for a week before they arrested her.

Superman didn't do in order to catch her or kill her and didn't follow her. Ruled out.

2 [I or T] to illegally follow and watch someone, usually a woman, over a period of time:
He was arrested for stalking.

It wasn't over a period of time. And if it's illegal to use X-rays to see inside houses, Superman should be arrested already.

Now we can consider Superman stalks Lois by being Clark; Superman in a secret disguise she's not aware of, learning things from her, then using those vey things as Supeman to flirt to her. Then he has been doing since forever in comics and movies. Part of the character.

3 [T] LITERARY If something unpleasant stalks a place, it appears there in a threatening way:
When night falls, danger stalks the streets of the city.

It wasn't in a threatening way.

stalker Show phonetics
noun [C]
a person who illegally follows and watches someone, especially a woman, over a period of time:
Several well-known women have been troubled by stalkers recently.

Not over a period of time, unless we consider the Clark issue again.

Language goes against your point.

 

[JBrown437]

the moral is wear a condom

and make sure it doesnt split

Somewhere Singer is reading this and saying, "Finally, someone get's it!" t:

 

[superbaby]

maybe superman is muslim.
i heard that muslim is not allowed to wear condom.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Let's see...
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=77398&dict=CALD



Superman didn't do in order to catch her or kill her and didn't follow her. Ruled out.


It wasn't over a period of time. And if it's illegal to use X-rays to see inside houses, Superman should be arrested already.

Now we can consider Superman stalks Lois by being Clark; Superman in a secret disguise she's not aware of, learning things from her, then using those vey things as Supeman to flirt to her. Then he has been doing since forever in comics and movies. Part of the character.



It wasn't in a threatening way.



Not over a period of time, unless we consider the Clark issue again.

Language goes against your point.

Ha ha awesome El Payaso

Somewhere Singer is reading this and saying, "Finally, someone get's it!" t:

Ha ha good, because if he does do a sequel i dont want him to leave out the great character moments of SR in order fit some more action scenes and a few punches in .

 

[Papa Burgundy]

The moral of the story is that Superman traveled thousand miles on space to look for home and his family when all of the time, Earth was it and his family was here.

HOWEVER, it was so badly executed that the theme got lost in a lot of crap (Luthor`s plot, bad editing) and tons homages regarding the first movie.

you know, im sick of people saying there was to many homages to those movies. IT WAS A FREAKIN SEQUEL TO IT OF COURSE THERE WILL BE SOME HOMAGES GOD USE YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE.