The morality of sex: whats right and whats wrong?

[kainedamo]

Everyone has a basic sense of morality. Just about every sane person in the world knows that stealing is wrong, hurting other people is wrong, and killing other people is wrong. Things of this type, very few people would disagree on.

But sex. There are many, many people that disagree over the morality of sex. Clearly, rape is wrong. Paedophelia is wrong. You won't have too many people speaking up for those. But there are people, many people in fact, that will tell you homosexuality is wrong. That perfectly consensual sex between adults is wrong.

This is my basic sexual morality summed up in 2 sentences - If it's consensual and between adults, it's fine. As long as they're not going to slice each other up or eat big chunks from each other.

I started a thread in the Marvel comics forum called something like "Girls of Marvel battle torn and in peril... Just because". Or something like that. So the idea of those Just Because threads is that you post pics of hot comic book girls. My thread got locked. I'm not angry or anything. If a mod thinks it's best to lock it, I guess I shouldn't argue. I'd like to be informed of these things before they happen, but that's a different matter. The point is, from a couple of negative responses in that thread, and from the thread being locked, I guess that people see my tastes as being wrong.

These are my tastes. When I was first buying comic books at about 14, occasionally I'd see a Catwoman comic. The covers of these comics back at that time were hot. Often they'd show Catwoman with her costume torn, fighting snakes coiled around her, or fighting a robot Catwoman, or something like that. I'd think that covers like this were just the sexiest and I'd buy them. Ever since I could get turned on, I've been turned on by the images and the idea of superheroines getting in trouble. Their costumes torn up, getting hurt, etc. These tastes sort of grew. The occasional time when I look up porno, the soft stuff isn't enough. Sometimes I want to see spanking, pulling of hair, that kind of thing. Some of the stuff (actually alot of it) is too rough even for me so there are alot of guys that are way more perverse than me.

But yeah... so my question is, is this kind of thing wrong? There are lots of consensual bdsm partners out there. Who are we to tell them, despite the fact that they are leading happy lives, that what they do in the privacy of the bedroom is wrong?

Where is the line?

 

[bored]

Dude, your thread got locked because it looked basically like a celebration of rape.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Uh, not sure the point of the thread. First you're talking about regular sex, then how you've been beating off to Catwoman comic covers for years, then whether or not regular sex is wrong? What do you want to know? If beating off to Catwoman covers is wrong? Or if regular sex is wrong?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Everyone has a basic sense of morality. Just about every sane person in the world knows that stealing is wrong, hurting other people is wrong, and killing other people is wrong. Things of this type, very few people would disagree on.

But sex. There are many, many people that disagree over the morality of sex. Clearly, rape is wrong. Paedophelia is wrong. You won't have too many people speaking up for those. But there are people, many people in fact, that will tell you homosexuality is wrong. That perfectly consensual sex between adults is wrong.

This is my basic sexual morality summed up in 2 sentences - If it's consensual and between adults, it's fine. As long as they're not going to slice each other up or eat big chunks from each other.

I started a thread in the Marvel comics forum called something like "Girls of Marvel battle torn and in peril... Just because". Or something like that. So the idea of those Just Because threads is that you post pics of hot comic book girls. My thread got locked. I'm not angry or anything. If a mod thinks it's best to lock it, I guess I shouldn't argue. I'd like to be informed of these things before they happen, but that's a different matter. The point is, from a couple of negative responses in that thread, and from the thread being locked, I guess that people see my tastes as being wrong.

These are my tastes. When I was first buying comic books at about 14, occasionally I'd see a Catwoman comic. The covers of these comics back at that time were hot. Often they'd show Catwoman with her costume torn, fighting snakes coiled around her, or fighting a robot Catwoman, or something like that. I'd think that covers like this were just the sexiest and I'd buy them. Ever since I could get turned on, I've been turned on by the images and the idea of superheroines getting in trouble. Their costumes torn up, getting hurt, etc. These tastes sort of grew. The occasional time when I look up porno, the soft stuff isn't enough. Sometimes I want to see spanking, pulling of hair, that kind of thing. Some of the stuff (actually alot of it) is too rough even for me so there are alot of guys that are way more perverse than me.

But yeah... so my question is, is this kind of thing wrong? There are lots of consensual bdsm partners out there. Who are we to tell them, despite the fact that they are leading happy lives, that what they do in the privacy of the bedroom is wrong?

Where is the line?

On your back after I have dressed you up in a gimp suit and marked you with a whip.

the new version even has a gimp mask.

Gotta love comics

- Whirly

 

[blind_fury]

So you think people should be allowed to express sexual perversions publicly?

 

[kainedamo]

It wasn't a celebration of rape. I saw no rape pics in my thread.

Consider this. The images I posted, where any of them even all that gratuitous? No, nowhere near as much as in the other 'Just Because' threads.

Consider this. All the images I posted were done by Marvel artists. Do you think they make some of them like that completely by accident? They know exactly what they're doing. There are thousands upon thousands of comic books with covers that have sexy women in bad situations - and it looks hot. It's no accident. So what's that say about the artists?

 

[bored]

Basically, that they're perverts, at least the ones who draw them on a regular basis.

 

[Whirlysplat]

So you think people should be allowed to express sexual perversions publicly?

Swwwwiiiissssh

- Whirly

 

[kainedamo]

So you think people should be allowed to express sexual perversions publicly?

No... where on earth did I say that in my thread? From my point of view, there is no difference between my Just Because thread and the many other Just Because threads. In fact, mines was significantly cleaner when you think about it.

 

[Erzengel]

 

[hippie_hunter]

1. Wrong sex: rape, pedophilia, anal sex between a guy and a girl (that oraphis is just not meant for that )

2. I can see where people see homosexual sex as wrong, nature didn't intend for two males and two females to be having sex with one another. But truthfully, it doesn't affect me or any of us at all. We aren't the ones in the bed and the sex is between two consentual adults who are in love with each other, and I beleive that we should do whatever the hell we want to do as long as another person doesn't get hurt in the process.

3. You're fettish with beaten up women is weird

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Everyone has a basic sense of morality. Just about every sane person in the world knows that stealing is wrong, hurting other people is wrong, and killing other people is wrong. Things of this type, very few people would disagree on.

I don't know that I would classify these people as sane. It is generally in our best interest to "outlaw" killing, so as to see that it doesn't come back on us. But at the same time we view certain situations and certain conditions where these rules no longer apply.

Killing, stealing, etc. comes from the so called "social contract" purposed by Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau. The idea that people want to protect property in exchange for some goods, services and or a ceding of certain rights (such as the right to kill and steal). In exchange their contractors will protect their property and the property of anyone else involved. However people who still are in the "state of nature" according to some still kill and steal.

But I don't think insanity is defined by your surroundings. The Nazi, the Mongolians, the Ugandan Rebels all kill and steal and any dissent from these morals is seen as wrong and reprehensible in their eyes.

Insanity typically affects one social behavior and ability to live life as an individual, such as those who have to be medicated. Several outcasted members of society were perfectly socially normal. In fact most sociopaths can continue normal relationships with people yet see themselves as above basic morality. During the early 1900s it was seen as perfectly sane and socially acceptable to lynch and kill black people, in fact they were continued as social settings and date functions.

So I would disagree that sanity is somehow linked to cultural standing. Although society frequently takes the view that outsiders are crazy and or have something wrong with their brains. I do not believe this is the case (not 100% of the time).

 

[kainedamo]

Basically, that they're perverts, at least the ones who draw them on a regular basis.

Haha, yeah. And there is nothing wrong with it, in my opinion.

Uh, not sure the point of the thread. First you're talking about regular sex, then how you've been beating off to Catwoman comic covers for years, then whether or not regular sex is wrong? What do you want to know? If beating off to Catwoman covers is wrong? Or if regular sex is wrong?

No, you've missed the point entirely. It's not about regular sex (unless you think regular sex is wrong). This discussion is about what sexual tastes you think is wrong/right and discussing it.

 

[cryptic name]

as long as it's consentual, no one is being harmed, and you keep it to yourself, nothing is wrong.

 

[Venom Drool]

sex is good.
keep it in the bedroom.
also

shut up

 

[Erzengel]

Ever since I could get turned on, I've been turned on by the images and the idea of superheroines getting in trouble. Their costumes torn up, getting hurt, etc. These tastes sort of grew. The occasional time when I look up porno, the soft stuff isn't enough. Sometimes I want to see spanking, pulling of hair, that kind of thing. Some of the stuff (actually alot of it) is too rough even for me so there are alot of guys that are way more perverse than me.

This is what happens when I don't read threads thoroughly and miss a juicy gem such as this.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Sex is a topic that everyone can agree on,and still be offended at the same time.Most people have similar views on it,but it can still be a bit touchy.

 

[DareDemon]

But sex. There are many, many people that disagree over the morality of sex. Clearly, rape is wrong. Paedophelia is wrong. You won't have too many people speaking up for those. But there are people, many people in fact, that will tell you homosexuality is wrong. That perfectly consensual sex between adults is wrong.

I know someone who said sex between a 5-year-old and a 25-year-old is perfectly okay. As long as they're both okay with it. When I pressed further, he said "It'd be the 5-year-old's fault!"

I wish he was joking.

 

[Herr Logan]

But yeah... so my question is, is this kind of thing wrong? There are lots of consensual bdsm partners out there. Who are we to tell them, despite the fact that they are leading happy lives, that what they do in the privacy of the bedroom is wrong?

Where is the line?

Desiring, thinking about or being excited about anything, cannot be wrong. Only outward behavior-- actions-- can truly be wrong.

You are not wrong to be excited by violent sex. That's a preference. Here's the thing: you posted pictures of women who were being hurt or had been hurt-- that's an action. It's distasteful to a lot of people, and advertising that kind of preference can be disturbing to others.

I won't say that making the thread the way you did (with the pictures) was wrong, but it's the only thing that I know of in this case that could be argued to be wrong.
It is not wrong to want to spank women and pull their hair during sex. It's not. Please, please tell me it's not.
Seriously, though, everything before that last part is meant to be taken seriously. Think about it.

 

[blind_fury]

I know someone who said sex between a 5-year-old and a 25-year-old is perfectly okay. As long as they're both okay with it. When I pressed further, he said "It'd be the 5-year-old's fault!"

I wish he was joking.

That's a red-flag for a clost pedophile.

 

[blind_fury]

No... where on earth did I say that in my thread? From my point of view, there is no difference between my Just Because thread and the many other Just Because threads. In fact, mines was significantly cleaner when you think about it.

Your thread wasn't evil, but it was too kinky for a website frequented by young teenagers.

 

[The Shape]

Whatever floats your boat is fine. As long as it's not illegal. And it can't have anything to do with Star Jones.

 

[Arcturus]

ATM

Ass Too Mouth.

Right or wrong?

You decide.

 

[Herr Logan]

ATM

Ass Too Mouth.

Right or wrong?

You decide.

As the thread starter said, as long as it's consensual and between adults, it's fine.

I would add a provision to that, relating to all sexual acts:
It's wrong if it's betraying someone, as in cheating.
Also, a sexual act is wrong if it cannot be reasonably (as in, after real consideration by a reasonably intelligent person) considered safe (from disease spreading or unwanted impregnation).

If no one gets hurt (and I'm not counting sadomasochistic acts, unless they're taken to the point of real injury) against their will, then there's nothing wrong with it.

As for Ass to Mouth-- if she'll do it, she's a keeper.

 

[Arcturus]

lol, well put, Herr.