Homecoming The most likely outcome?

[meanmc]

Big Sony meeting in January 2015 - what a kick off for the year

Everytime, i read about the Amazing Spiderman a big smile comes to my face. As i already wrote somewhere (here) - i did know it right after i heard the first time of ASM 1 that this concept will be a BIG failure! It was soo obvious... that could not work!

I do not have any confidence in Sony anymore - it was gone after Spiderman 4 was cancelled, and finally dead after i heard the first news for ASM 1!

There is a great franchise out there, and a lot of fools get the rights and have no clue about it. Crazy!

I am pretty sure that they can not continue ASM ... they have to do something different!

 

[Demileto]

Any decision Sony will take regarding Spider-Man will inevitably have to consider a bigger picture than just "find the perfect take and the perfect casting to put the franchise on the blue again". Sony, the conglomerate, is not in a good financial health for a while now; only a few of its business are making them money, like the Playstation one. It's patently obvious, then, that Sony Pictures NEEDED TASM 2 to make the expected US$ 1 billion, that it not only didn't but missed the mark by so much they may not have even made much money off it, if at all, was a kick in the ***** in Sony's plans to get back into profitability. The hack further complicated this with leaked upcoming movies, personal information being released in the open - which will eventually lead into lawsuits -, and the inevitable need to rebuild the company's IT network and systems. That's a LOT of money lost, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Sony Japan concludes they can't afford to revitalize that business and decides instead to sell it.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Any decision Sony will take regarding Spider-Man will inevitably have to consider a bigger picture than just "find the perfect take and the perfect casting to put the franchise on the blue again". Sony, the conglomerate, is not in a good financial health for a while now; only a few of its business are making them money, like the Playstation one. It's patently obvious, then, that Sony Pictures NEEDED TASM 2 to make the expected US$ 1 billion, that it not only didn't but missed the mark by so much they may not have even made much money off it, if at all, was a kick in the ***** in Sony's plans to get back into profitability. The hack further complicated this with leaked upcoming movies, personal information being released in the open - which will eventually lead into lawsuits -, and the inevitable need to rebuild the company's IT network and systems. That's a LOT of money lost, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Sony Japan concludes they can't afford to revitalize that business and decides instead to sell it.

That is the worst case scenario for Disney/Marvel.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Or Fast Five...after four awful F&F movies. I always think back to that franchise when I think of Spidey's current predicament, but the key difference (for me, anyway) is that I was never a fan of that franchise or the characters. I'll be in Sony's court the minute they produce a good Spider-Man flick again, but they just don't have my confidence right now.

That's why I think most are calling for Spider-Man to return to Marvel. It's not so much a cry for Spider-Man to enter the MCU, but more of a cry for quality Spider-Man films with a studio that has a good track record. Sony Pictures just hasn't made a great Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2. Look at how much quieter people have gotten about the X-Men film rights after First Class and Days of Future Past.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If Sony was still making movies as good as Spider-Man 1 and 2, the demand for the rights to revert would be a lot quieter. Some people would still want, but a large number (such as myself) just want good Spider-Man movies.

I think there are only two realistic options here; either Sony will keep the rights and reboot or Marvel will get creative control and reboot. At least with X-Men, Fox had a good foundation (the first two films) to build off of in salvaging the franchise. The TASM 'Universe' is basically dead. If Sony continues along that road, the chance it leads to failure is extremely high. There is no bright future there. As bad as TASM2 did, the spin-offs and TASM3 would almost certainly do worse. And, of course, if Marvel gets the rights they aren't going to continue the ASM series.

 

[HarryOsborn]

That's why I think most are calling for Spider-Man to return to Marvel. It's not so much a cry for Spider-Man to enter the MCU, but more of a cry for quality Spider-Man films with a studio that has a good track record. Sony Pictures just hasn't made a great Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2. Look at how much quieter people have gotten about the X-Men film rights after First Class and Days of Future Past.

Fox also was in a place fancily that they could afford to have lower performing X-Men films. Continuing with the franchise after The Last Stand, and Origins Wolverine, resulted in their Quasi-Reboot "First Class" becoming the lowest grossing film in the franchise despite it's positive reception. It took two well received films, a return from the original cast and director, and extensive marketing for the franchise to return to the place it was nine years ago before X3.

Sony simply cannot afford to do this, they can't afford a flop of a spin-off even if it is well received, and even if getting Maguire back may cause a slight increase in profits, it wouldn't be a long term solution. The deal with Marvel is really their best option, however I fear a low budget spinoff or reboot is more likely.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yeah, even if Sinister Six and TASM3 are good films like First Class and Wolverine, it takes time before the audience comes back again. That really puts Sony in a bad spot as they can't afford another underperforming Spider-Man film.

Keep in mind as well that while TLS and Origins tanked the franchise, they (especially TLS) were financially successful. Fox has never made an X-Men film that was both a critical and financial disappointment. They've had critical disappointments and financial disappointments, but never both. TASM was both, which makes it harder to come back from.

 

[AnneFan]

Poor Andrew. I really liked his Spidey.

I'm a Maguire fan, but yes, Garfield was fine in the role. If the TASM series is rebooted they're lucky with how TASM2 ended, even though Sinister Six and TASM3 were planned. There is a sense of closure. Gwen died, Peter mourned and came back to serve NYC, with threats always popping up for him to stop in the future.

We'll just have to see what happens.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm a Maguire fan, but yes, Garfield was fine in the role. If the TASM series is rebooted they're lucky with how TASM2 ended, even though Sinister Six and TASM3 were planned. There is a sense of closure. Gwen died, Peter mourned and came back to serve NYC, with threats always popping up for him to stop in the future.

We'll just have to see what happens.

I agree, the Spider-Man franchise shouldn't be locked into a couple of movies for the sake of an end credit.
The biggest plus for the general audience (Peter and Gwen) are no longer involved (if the Garfield rumours are true) so bin the 'Webverse' it's not worth keeping any longer.

 

[Spider-Vader]

As much as I'd want that I just don't see it happening. The odds of Sony letting go of their one last golden egg just seem pretty slim to me, no matter what the rumors are.

They're not letting go of it though, they're just letting Marvel make the movies so they're successful again.

 

[degraves93]

They should be able to make money off of it even if they don't have creative control.

 

[Donut]

The Sony lawsuits have begun. Lets see how long it takes for them 2 pile up

 

[Spider-Vader]

That is the worst case scenario for Disney/Marvel.

How? Are you expecting someone else to snatch the Spider-Man rights before Disney? That's laughable.

 

[Donut]

How? Are you expecting someone else to snatch the Spider-Man rights before Disney? That's laughable.

Its not legally possible for that 2 happen

 

[degraves93]

The fact that there's any rumors at all about a cast list or villains makes me think that the deal is happening. I know it isn't a certainty, but it's just a gut feeling. I was formerly in the camp of Sony going ahead with the spinoffs and TASM3, but that was before the leaks.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

The fact that there's any rumors at all about a cast list or villains makes me think that the deal is happening. I know it isn't a certainty, but it's just a gut feeling. I was formerly in the camp of Sony going ahead with the spinoffs and TASM3, but that was before the leaks.

I can't imagine the amount of frustration and disappointment that would happen on these boards if the deal doesn't pass.

 

[Super Jim]

You should rename this thread, based on the poll results, to:

What do you want to happen to the franchise, not what will...

You guys are totally kidding yourselves if you think that Sony will give Spiderman up.

They might actually give it up, but they would want some level of control and/or a ton of $ (way more than they paid for it).

And Disney won't do either.

That's called an endpass and is when people walk out...

Which means that Sony will have to do another movie (does anyone know when the deadline would be?), within a certain timeline, in order to ensure that the rights doesn't revert.

Also, let's be honest, they can make $ with Spiderman. Maybe not as much as they used to, or even not as much as they wanted to, but there is profit to be had.

Would I want the rights to revert? Of course, I'm a fanboy, and believe that Marvel/Disney can do better (until I see a Jedi or a Jawa in a Guardians movie), but I'm also a realist, which means I look at things from all sides and come to the logical conclusion, which is Sony ain't giving this up!

Now, you should add another poll option, as follows:

- Sony will keep the rights, go forward with TASM3, and not go forward with the bad concept of a Sinister Six redeption movie.

That's what should happen, as soon as Sony realizes that they can win, if they just focus on Spiderman and one main, good villain!

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

How? Are you expecting someone else to snatch the Spider-Man rights before Disney? That's laughable.

Disney would either have to acquire SPE (which doesn't fit it's acquisition strategy) or run the risk of a less cooperative entity possessing the rights.

Its not legally possible for that 2 happen

Sony acquired the rights when they bought Columbia Pictures. If they sold the studio, the rights would be part of the package.

 

[degraves93]

Anyone here think the rights being sold is a done deal? Not just the most likely outcome, but close to certain?

 

[sl500jazz]

Plot twist: 20th Century Fox buys Sony Pictures and plans a Spider-Man/F4/X-men team up for 2018.

 

[Airnick]

Anyone here think the rights being sold is a done deal? Not just the most likely outcome, but close to certain?

I wanna think that, I really do, but I refuse to get my hopes up.

 

[degraves93]

I wanna think that, I really do, but I refuse to get my hopes up.

What's your gut feeling? Between the two outcomes, the deal happening or not happening, what seems more likely to you, even if it's just slightly more likely.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Plot twist: 20th Century Fox buys Sony Pictures and plans a Spider-Man/F4/X-men team up for 2018.

Why are u punishing me

 

[degraves93]

Every time I feel bad about this situation, I just think about the poor bastards in the F4 forums, then I feel better. They haven't even gotten a halfway decent movie.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Anyone here think the rights being sold is a done deal? Not just the most likely outcome, but close to certain?

I wanna believe it. It seems more likely it should happen than not, but I'm still trying to not get my hopes up. At least last time the rumors of Spidey returning for the Marvel press conference, I was more than satisfied with the plethora of news that was in its stead. Not gonna get that this time.