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#29 just came out.

GREAT issue!

Continuing from last issue; the two Avengers teams square off, and while there's not a great big fight (as i was hoping for), it turns out to be a very cool moment for Dr. Strange....and Iron Fist as well.

ALso; the sub-plot with Elektra continues to develop....

So far so good, imo...
 
It was far better than 28 and 27. Those were real bore fests. Still not buying them as the Avengers though.
 
Well, they're "New" Avengers. :cwink:

I really like the interaction between them. That kind of stuff has always been one of Bendis' strong points.
 
Latest issue out this week.

Apparently, Iron Man and his team arent quite satisfied with the results of their trip to Dr. Strange's home last issue, so Stark enlists the services of another magic-user, Brother Voodoo, to make sure Strange and the gang arent hiding there...

Later on, at a...team meeting (i guess), Luke begins to piece together all the recent events in the heroes lives, and comes to the realization that everything (The Prison break, Secret War, Nick Fury's disappearance, Civil War) may all be connected and manipulated by a single force (or forces)...

Sounds interesting.

My one gripe; the last few pages have the team seriously on the ropes, by a group of Hand Ninjas.....:rolleyes: :down


Other than that, good issue.
 
I've been mixed on this current story arc.

I do agree with you Cap Stacy...the whole revelation coming through that all these events are somehow connected is really interesting.

I still haven't been captured by this story though. I don't know. Watching Spider-man and crew take on "ninjas"? Come on now. They should be knocking these guys around like nothing.

Mighty Avengers...I'm really feeling that title. First two issues have completely sucked me in. From the writing to the art, I'm loving it. New Avengers though, its been solid. I would expect better though simply because the charactes in that title have so much potential as a group.
 
ragingdemon155 said:
Mighty Avengers...I'm really feeling that title. First two issues have completely sucked me in. From the writing to the art, I'm loving it.
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Yeah, MA surprised me as well. I only planned on reading the first arc, then the second, as the second is supposed to feature a "symbiote war" of some sort, but the current Ultron arc has really drawn me in...if the book remains this consistently good, i may consider keeping it on my pull list...
 
I liked the latest issue a lot. I really liked that they're proposing the idea that all the latest events in the MU, stemming back years, are connected. I gotta say that's an interesting theory and hopefully we delve deeper into that plot thread.

I had a little bit of griping here and there. Like Bendis, once again, not really surprising anyone. I think everybody knew who Ronin was going to be, including me. But I agree with all the others so far. What's up with them getting beaten down by some ninjas? Are they ill tempered ninjas? Well...all ninjas are ill tempered. Maybe they're ninjas pumped full of MGH or something. Who knows! All I know is that Yu's artwork can be annoying sometimes. I swear to God his artwork looked better in the Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine issues he did. Maybe I was just hallucinating or something.
 
Aloha,
Just read issue #30. I think the ninja's are pumped up on ritualisic magic and herbs. These guys die several minutes after you kill them:ninja: Plus there's just so many of them. It's not that they are stronger than the NA, just an unending sea of them.The art takes some getting used to, but I don't consider it BAD art, just a little stylistic. Maybe a different inker would change Yu's pencils.
Spidey rules
 
Yeah, I agree as well. Maybe a different inker would help out the artwork a little bit. His work on Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine is just completely different. I was expecting too much from the guy I suppose.
 
I really like Yu's art, he has a very unique style.
 
I just can't get into the artstyle. It just seems so wrong for an "Avengers" title.

Frank Cho is handling the action much much better over in Mighty Avengers (Granted yes, we all know about the TnA factor) but still, his action scenes are great.

Like I mentioned earlier, Mighty Avengers has completely grabbed me. New Avengers is starting to lose my interest which is a shame for a team with so much potential.
 
The Avengers title should do an artist swap....like next issue. Cho on New Avengers would be fantasmic
 
crivelliman said:
Totally. Remember Sal Buscema's run on Spectacular before, and then during the Clone Saga? Ugh... what a drop.
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I completely agree with you.

Pre-CS Buscema = Awesome

CS Buscema w/new inking = Awful
 
freemadison said:
I completely agree with you.

Pre-CS Buscema = Awesome

CS Buscema w/new inking = Awful
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Thank GOD I'm not the only one who thinks like that. I guess Klaus Jansen's(or whoever the inker was in SSM during the CS) darker style just didn't mesh well with Sal's old school "less is more" look. I go back and read "The Child Within", and it looks so good...as well as having a great story...then I read anything from the CS, and the art in SSM is just utter crap.
 
#34 cover:

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Don't know what this issue could be about, expect maybe it's a past and future issue. Spidey looks different and same for Dr. Strange, Iron Fist and etc..
 
This has already been posted.
 
I know this is kind of broad for Spider-Man, but I put together this theory based on the Illuminati #3 that just came out, and the "Unmasking" and current New Avengers mini plot points are a piece of this. The conspiracy theorist in me is just playing around with some of the pieces of this larger puzzle I feel like Bendis may have laid out for us since Avengers: Dissasembled.

In this most recent issue of New Avengers: Illuminati (#3),
we are privy to the true identity of the Beyonder. After the Illuminati are through giving him the business, the Beyonder shows them a world that is to all their own liking, admitting to them, “I can make the world the way you want it!” Interestingly enough, we also get to see a myriad of Iron Men soaring through the sky, taking care of business. By the end of said issue, the Beyonder is seemingly out of their hair, yet actually in the center of Midtown Manhattan, talking to himself as though he were getting back to business, uttering the closing lines: “Now… what was I doing? Oh yes. The world.” Bendis (through the Beyonder) suggests his work is just beginning.

Now let’s take a look at some of the more “earth-shattering” Marvel events that have happened lately:

• Scarlet Witch goes crazy and destroys the Avengers
• Nick Fury has his Secret War
• Electro breaks open the Raft, and the New Avengers are born
• The Illuminati blast the Hulk into space with absolutely no resistance
• Quicksilver forces her to remake the world with humans as the minority
• Everything has been put back, but mutant-kind is severely diminished in the process
• Nitro kills a town, igniting anti-superhero sentiments
• The Superhuman Registration Act, a Congressional piece of legislation, is railroaded into law in the span of a week (at most, three)
• Spider-Man unmasks in front of the entire world in support of the Act
• Captain America gives up the fight against Registration to prevent further casualties
• Iron Man founds the Initiative, a plan he and Richards have developed (ostensibly for years)

As a result of all this, all heroes need to be detained and trained, Iron Man is the head of S.H.I.E.L.D., and the world is a safer place (in the eyes of Tony Stark and Reed Richards, at least).

Now let’s poke a few holes in these situations, in the framework of the story:

• Scarlet Witch goes crazy and destroys the Avengers because they all lied to her about her phony magic children? Was she really all that unstable? And really, if you want to get right down to it, Wanda had acknowledged the children’s existence and eradication before. It doesn’t make much sense, but it does render the Scarlet Witch irrevocably insane. Her power is also rather “beefed,” if you ask me. Makes the playing field for something like her brother influencing her to remake the world a little easier, though.
• The President of the United States is told super-villains are being funded and armed by a nation we built. As established in Civil War, that President is George W. Bush, or at least someone very similar to him. If we can assume he’s anywhere similar to our current President, we can assume he really has no problem going into a foreign nation the US Government built and knocking it back down, in the name of the War on Terror. If that’s the case, why disregard Col. Fury’s evaluation of the situation, when a) the man has the experience and the political/militaristic understanding to know how to treat a case like this, and b) Fury doesn’t technically have to report to the President of the United States, because Fury is the head of an international peace-keeping task force? Seems more than folly; it seems almost intentionally stupid. And while a significant portion of our country seem to believe that’s our current President’s M.O., Marvel has made it abundantly clear that in their main, current continuity, the President will be portrayed with respect. This means that the President deliberately set things in motion that would ultimately cause Fury to go into hiding, leaving Commander Hill (a person who admitted, herself in New Avengers #25, that she was unfit for the job) to fill his place. If Hill herself is unfit to take on the title of Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., especially given that something is seriously wrong deep within the inner workings of the organization (see New Avengers #’s 5 & 6), why (in the grand scheme of things) would it be prudent to give Fury the boot? Especially given the tumultuous political environment at present?
• Electro breaks everyone out of the Raft? Even if he does have a mastermind pulling at his strings (e.g. The Sinister Six; Doc Ock), the guy normally lacks the power and the tenacity to pull off a strike like that. And clearly, when we see him again, he reverts back to his old second-string Spidey villain-self when threatened by a large black man with webbed fists. Where’d the boost (in power and confidence) come from? And what’s the purpose of breaking all those loonies out of prison? Whose plan was it? And for what purpose? Interesting little payoff as a result? The New Avengers are born, and Stark is given a chance to redeem himself (since the whole “drunk in front of the UN thanks to Wanda” thing) by providing a post-9/11 beacon of hope to those in the public who might have doubts about their heroes right now. Another big payoff? Super-duper powered lapdog Bob Reynolds is returned to the world, providing a significantly powered ally to the team in the absence of Thor, and to present a new symbol of hope in the superhero community (since before people forgot who he was, that’s what he was). And the Sentry wouldn’t have even been involved if not for the intervention of Foggy Nelson on behalf of… Reed Richards? (see New Avengers #’s 1 & 2)
• Brilliant gamma-radiation specialist (and occasional green goliath) Bruce Banner is duped into going on a space shuttle. Convenient.
• Wanda shows everyone what the world would be like if mutants ran the world their way. One thing it did was put Chuck Xavier in his place. The world’s put back, but this time… no more mutants? That sure makes things easier to control, now that millions of super-powered beings are just your average mouth-breathers, living in a world which they now require saving from.
• Nitro uncharacteristically kills like, six hundred people. Kind of extreme, don’t you think? But it sure makes the political climate ripe for something like…
• The Superhuman Registration Act. Breezes through Congress like a hot knife through butter. You can’t get bi-partisan agreement on lunch, but you can pass a law that exists to revoke the civil liberties of an entire class of American citizens and create a super-powered-persons draft.
• In spite of every inclination he’s had since his inception, Spider-Man unmasks in favor of Registration. Immediately regrets it.
• Cap just gives up. Good thing for Tony, because he was on the ropes!
• The Initiative is created and Stark gets a promotion! And guess where! And right up in the forties on Stark and Richards’ list of how to make the world a better place is “clean up S.H.I.E.L.D.” Soon we’ll be seeing all kinds of legal, red-and-gold suited heroes all over town! Hell, if you don’t believe me-- just check out the last page of the next issue of Avengers: The Initiative, or the cover of the upcoming August issue (two words: scarlet spiders), and you’ll feel that familiar déjà vu from a certain Illuminati issue you read recently, where legions of Iron Men flew overhead.

Then, if you happened to read one or two issues of the recent New Avengers books (I’d check out 29 and 30), you’ll notice Luke Cage feels like there’s something funny about everything. He feels like things are somehow connected; the Civil and Secret War, S.H.I.E.L.D., the whole enchilada. While he doesn’t come right out and say it, I’m sure he’d love to throw House of M and even Disassembled into the pot, too. Notice Doc Strange hasn’t piped in one way or the other. Just seems happy to help out, especially since he didn’t really agree with the Registration Act (New Avengers: Illuminati One-Shot).
Maybe he might feel a little guilty for wanting to shape the world in an image that the world didn’t ask to be shaped into? And how might this all have found its way into being?

I submit that Bendis suggests that
the Beyonder, in an attempt to please his would-be detractors the Illuminati, has been influencing events and people in order to allow them to reach their ultimate goal. His asteroid-belt-Manhattan was a test, to see if he could convincingly re-create the world. As one could tell with his argument with the original Heroes for Hire, he needed to provide a more subtle, less physical approach.

The Fake Hulk attacking the Illuminati was also a way of foreshadowing their secret involvement, and their influence on the Beyonder and his actions, coming back to smash them. Everything, from Onslaught to the Civil War, has occurred so that events could lead to the Initiative and Superhuman Registration’s creation. World War Hulk is the direct culmination of their meddling with people’s lives’, and the world’s development. Or, if we are to read into the Beyonder’s apology (“I forgot I had scheduled that event.”), World War Hulk is the Beyonder’s way of sticking it to them.
 
Very Interesting Theory Crivelliman, but i must say i hope your wrong because I think it would be a serious cop out if everything had been orchestrated instead of a natural order of events. If everything's been orchestrated, how are we the readers supposed to know what is real?
 
kguillou said:
Very Interesting Theory Crivelliman, but i must say i hope your wrong because I think it would be a serious cop out if everything had been orchestrated instead of a natural order of events. If everything's been orchestrated, how are we the readers supposed to know what is real?
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A valid concern, kguillou! Let me offer this counter:

While I respect the idea that the idea of every single event in the 616 universe for the past two decades have been the machinations of some machiavellian design, I wouldn't go so far as to say it defies the "natural order." Indeed, in the very issue to which I owe my theory,
Beyonder submits the very question of how the Illuminati's actions are any different from his own.
However, I submit that there can be both a natural order, a succession of events that occur through legitimate passage of time and the inclination of men (and women, of course), and an orchestrated symphony of design, so to speak. For those who acknowledge the existence of a God, wouldn't we all be part of his plan, in spite of our "free will"? If he is omnipotent, knows and sees all, he must know how things will turn out. I guess then it begs the question of whether we have free will, the ability to do things against some existence of Fate or control from an unknown force, if there exists a higher power who knows what we're going to do before we act. (But that's another discussion.)

If we apply that logic to the 616 Marvel universe, we have several examples of nigh-omnipotent beings in the universe, who know and see all, who also (on occasion), influence the outcome of said events. The Watcher, for example, intervened on the Earth's behalf shortly before Galactus arrived. Technically, the Watcher saw the path of one reality (in which the Earth was destroyed), and averted its occurrence. If the Watcher did that, isn't the Marvel universe in some way progressing toward an end that is of Uatu's design? Is it merely a plot-point of a classic story, or is it just a cop out? Uatu showing up to explain everything to the Fantastic Four to prevent our protagonists' certain doom does seem to fit in with the deus ex machina concept, which is by today's standards the literary equivalent of a cop out.

Is
the Beyonder reordering the world according to the Illuminati's hidden desires, in an effort to impress and win the respect of his king, the same thing?
That's probably not true. But it still does offer some intriguing insight into the future history of the Marvel Universe.

While I'd like to think there's a bit more to it than the theory I submitted earlier, I do think it works better than the "Iron Man's a Skrull" theory that's been kicking around. I'm not sure if it necessarily forces the characters to act uncharacteristically. I think it just tries to explain why they have (e.g.: Iron Man, SHIELD *****ebag, Spider-Man: Iron Man Lapdog and Complete Bonehead, etc.).
 
shinlyle said:
Thank GOD I'm not the only one who thinks like that. I guess Klaus Jansen's(or whoever the inker was in SSM during the CS) darker style just didn't mesh well with Sal's old school "less is more" look. I go back and read "The Child Within", and it looks so good...as well as having a great story...then I read anything from the CS, and the art in SSM is just utter crap.
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EXACTLY!!!!! Pre-Clone Saga Buscema is some of my favorite Spidey art EVER. He's like the missing link between John Romita Sr. and Jr. Let's get him back on a Spidey title (with a good inker) please.
 
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