The New Ghostbusters - Part 10

[MadVillainy]

It doesn't matter how desperate you are for a franchise. You're not going to make a direct sequel to a movie that underperforms along with everything else surrounding it. And from the look of it GB16 will underpeform

 

[GuestStar2004]

It doesn't matter how desperate you are for a franchise. You're not going to make a direct sequel to a movie that underperforms along with everything else surrounding it. And from the look of it GB16 will underpeform

If sony lose alot of money then they may give up with it but if they manage to break even then they may give it another shot, there is potential to make a sequel since they have a universe planned and if they feel they can expand or improve on then they will.

as for it doesn't matter how desperate you are for a franchise... that applies also too it not mattering how much you say the film won't get a sequel because you do not know what sony are thinking right now, and no i ain't a supporter of the idea of a sequel or universe but there is no point pretending this film is a straight up outright failure with no options or merits to think about.

 

[Kanon]

Some examples I could dig of potential/intended franchises with similar numbers, to put things in perspective (It was a quick search, there could be more)

No special order, but I put the ones from Sony at the top

Godzilla 98
Opening Weekend: $44,047,541 (Adj.: $81,333,000)
Domestic Total Gross: $136,314,294 (Adj: $251,701,900)

Salt
Opening Weekend: $36,011,243 (Adj.: $40,448,400)
Domestic Total Gross: $118,311,368 (Adj.: $128,877,500)

The Karate Kid
Opening Weekend: $55,665,805 (Adj.: $61,175,900)
Domestic Total Gross: $176,591,618 (Adj: $192,362,700)

Ghost Rider
Opening Weekend: $45,388,836 (Adj.: $57,131,900)
Domestic Total Gross: $115,802,596 (Adj.: $145,763,200)

Cowboys & Aliens
Opening Weekend: $36,431,290 (Adj.: $39,734,900)
Total: $100,240,551 (Adj.: $109,343,800)

Kingsman: The Secret Service
Opening Weekend: $36,206,331
Domestic Total Gross: $128,261,724

Get Smart
Opening Weekend: $38,683,480 (Adj.: $46,657,200)
Domestic Total Gross: $130,319,208 (Adj.: $157,181,700)

Tron Legacy
Opening Weekend: $44,026,211 (Ad. $47,598,900)
Domestic Total Gross: $172,062,763 (Adj. $186,025,400)

Wanted
Opening Weekend: $50,927,085 (Adj. $61,424,600)
Domestic Total Gross: $134,508,551 (Adj.: $162,234,600)

Van Helsing
Opening Weekend: $51,748,040 (Adj.: $72,163,900)
Domestic Total Gross: $120,177,084 (Adj.: $167,589,900)

Superman Returns
Opening Weekend: $52,535,096 (Adj.: $69,458,600)
Domestic Total Gross: $200,081,192 (Adj.: $264,534,800)

Green Lantern
Opening Weekend: $53,174,303 (Adj.: $57,132,700)
Domestic Total Gross: $116,601,172 (Adj.: $125,620,700)

National Treasure
Opening Weekend: $35,142,554 (Adj.: $49,007,200)
Domestic Total Gross: $173,008,894 (Adj.: $240,166,400)

 

[Teelie]

Are they?

Spoiler

Pretty sure this was already addressed as a mistake on the part of a single store and you convienently ignore how the toys have been exceeding expectations for sales... such a terrible flop this movie is.

The movie's direct box office is not great but movies of this nature have not been solely about box office profits for decades. Not when there is so much merchandising.

But haters are going to keep on hating.

 

[Kanon]

Pretty sure this was already addressed as a mistake on the part of a single store and you convienently ignore how the toys have been exceeding expectations for sales... such a terrible flop this movie is.

Any actual numbers of sales? Or just that executive giving non specifics about the toys in Variety? 'Cause if we are just gonna take the word of executives while movies are in theathers, we might as well buy some tickets to the Sinister Six movie that is opening any time now

 

[JtheDreamer]

Pretty sure this was already addressed as a mistake on the part of a single store and you convienently ignore how the toys have been exceeding expectations for sales... such a terrible flop this movie is.

The movie's direct box office is not great but movies of this nature have not been solely about box office profits for decades. Not when there is so much merchandising.

But haters are going to keep on hating.

Oh the delightful "hater" argument.

 

[Kanon]

Looks like GB was overestimated and Ice Age underestimated (at this weekend box office)

1-Star Trek Beyond $59,253,211
2-The Secret Life of Pets $29,607,210 (-41.8%)
3-Lights Out $21,688,103
4-Ice Age: Collision Course $21,373,064
5-Ghostbusters (2016) $21,009,831 (-54.3%)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2016&wknd=30&p=.htm

 

[Iron_Stark]

Pretty sure this was already addressed as a mistake on the part of a single store and you convienently ignore how the toys have been exceeding expectations for sales... such a terrible flop this movie is.

The movie's direct box office is not great but movies of this nature have not been solely about box office profits for decades. Not when there is so much merchandising.

But haters are going to keep on hating.

I actually posted links on the other thread how the websites for Walmart, Target, Amazon and Toys R Us had the figures on clearance. While the original '85 counterparts were all sold out.

Looks like GB was overestimated and Ice Age underestimated (at this weekend box office)

1-Star Trek Beyond $59,253,211
2-The Secret Life of Pets $29,607,210 (-41.8%)
3-Lights Out $21,688,103
4-Ice Age: Collision Course $21,373,064
5-Ghostbusters (2016) $21,009,831 (-54.3%)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2016&wknd=30&p=.htm

Pretty big overestimate to go from 3 to 5. It'll go past $100 million, but the question is, how much more past it? Bourne coming out this weekend then Suicide Squad the week after should be the nail in the coffin for this. And it's not doing all that well in foreign markets.

 

[MadVillainy]

If sony lose alot of money then they may give up with it but if they manage to break even then they may give it another shot, there is potential to make a sequel since they have a universe planned and if they feel they can expand or improve on then they will.

as for it doesn't matter how desperate you are for a franchise... that applies also too it not mattering how much you say the film won't get a sequel because you do not know what sony are thinking right now, and no i ain't a supporter of the idea of a sequel or universe but there is no point pretending this film is a straight up outright failure with no options or merits to think about.

I didn't say the film was a straight up outright failure, that they have no options, and I never claimed to know exactly what SONY is thinking. I'm just using logic to say that SONY wont make a direct sequel and I havent read a reason why they would.

They have a shared universe planned? They had the same thing planned for The Amazing Spider-Man universe and remember when Green Lantern was going to be the jumping off point for a DC Comics Movieverse?
They're already planning a sequel? So many studios have claimed or said that. Fan4stic 2 had a release date
Theyre desperate for franchises?
If SONY was so desperate for a franchise they would've made a sequel to Robocop 2014 (prod. budget= 100 mill, grossed 242 mill WW), Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs (Cloudy 2 made 278 mill on a reported budget of 78 mill)
Theyre not so desperate for a franchise that they're going to keep mining something that is not getting the results they want.
Especially when the person who greenlit as was championing for this movie, Amy Pascal, is gone. Also with all the controversy do you think any of the cast is rearing to return especially when they all have better things going on.

Remember TASM2 made 700 mill on a prod. budget of anywhere between 200-300 mill and SONY still wasn't fully happy. Sure GB may have a universe planned, so did Spider-Man. That doesn't mean squat.

This film already opened in 3/5 top 5 biggest box office countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_industry#Largest_markets_by_box_office) and it's not opening in India (from what Ive seen) or China. It's not doing great overseas so there isn't going to be a big uptick or boost that's really going to help this.

Hell, even if they wanted to make a direct sequel I don't think they'd get the parent company or shareholders to back that decision.
SONY Pictures: "Hey we tried to restart a franchise and we barely broke even. Can we get more money to make another one?"

I'd bet a lot of money that SONY the parent company wouldn't let that fly.They'd move on to try and jumpstart whatever other franchise SONY Pictures can try and make.
If they cut the budget a lot I can see them making a direct sequel. Maybe.

And, as I touched on before, I also bet the stars wouldn't return. All that terrible hate and bile that got spewed their way for a movie that didn't even make that much money relative to the budget? And if they do cut the budget of a sequel, why would they return for probably less money? Why would they return when none of them need this franchise, they're all doing well in other fields.


I'm not being a hater or claiming to know exactly what SONY is thinking. I'm just using what Ive seen before from movie studios to say this most likely isn't going to get a direct sequel. No studio from what Ive seen has tried to start/restart a franchise makes a direct sequel when the money isn't right (box office or home video sales) or it's not getting rave reviews. It doesnt matter how much they think they could expand, it doesn't matter what they plan; if the money isn't good they wont push forward. Especially one like SONY that can't afford a bunch of mediocre performers

Anyone who wants a sequel hope for the toys to start selling or that the home video sales are great

 

[Jay Beezy]

Theyre desperate for franchises?
If SONY was so desperate for a franchise they would've made a sequel to Robocop 2014 (prod. budget= 100 mill, grossed 242 mill WW), Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs (Cloudy 2 made 278 mill on a reported budget of 78 mill)
Theyre not so desperate for a franchise that they're going to keep mining something that is not getting the results they want.

That they're trying to mine old properties is a sign they're desperate for a franchise. And the fact they were mapping out a future for Ghostbusters before the first one even opened is another sign, reeking of TASM and Terminator.

Regarding Robocop, it only made 58 mill domestic with the remaining 184 coming from international territories. It would be a different story if it made 142 mill domestically and the remaining 100 mill internationally.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm not disputing whether Sony is desperate for a franchise or not. They're making am Emoji movie for Christ's sake. I'm saying being desperate for a franchise doesn't mean they're going to make a direct sequel for a franchise starter that doesn't perform the way they want unless they cut the budget by a lot

I didn't know that about Robocop, but that's still only 1 example that I used. Cloudy 2 made $119 mill in the US. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 made 200 mill in the US

 

[tek]

considering all the hate leading up to the release I am surprised it has made this amount of money so far. I enjoyed the film for what it is was - light entertainment. It seems problematic that it will spawn a sequel. But the irrational hatred/emotional reaction, delight in its failures and the denial was an interesting aspect to it all

 

[bluejake01]

I'm not disputing whether Sony is desperate for a franchise or not. They're making am Emoji movie for Christ's sake. I'm saying being desperate for a franchise doesn't mean they're going to make a direct sequel for a franchise starter that doesn't perform the way they want unless they cut the budget by a lot

I didn't know that about Robocop, but that's still only 1 example that I used. Cloudy 2 made $119 mill in the US. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 made 200 mill in the US

Considering that a lot of that budget went into building an infrastructure that they won't have to if they make a sequel, I firmly believe they could spend $50 million and make a good Ghostbusters movie.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Considering that a lot of that budget went into building an infrastructure that they won't have to if they make a sequel, I firmly believe they could spend $50 million and make a good Ghostbusters movie.

Of course you do.

 

[bluejake01]

Of course you do.

If it relies on expensive visual effects and huge stakes, it will suck anyway. You can make a really good, smaller scale Ghostbusters movie and if the script is good and the production tightened up they will have a good end product for less than half the cost.

 

[Kanon]

Considering that a lot of that budget went into building an infrastructure that they won't have to if they make a sequel, I firmly believe they could spend $50 million and make a good Ghostbusters movie.

I'm trying to remember a movie with such a budget and moderate vfx. I guess they would have to be really cheap with the fx and props

 

[bluejake01]

I'm trying to remember a movie with such a budget and moderate vfx. I guess they would have to be really cheap with the fx and props

The props are built. The look is established. There are hungry and driven f/x houses that can deliver the goods for less than half the cost of the bigger farms. It can be done, but it's not likely that Sony would sign off on it. My time in Hollywood taught me that the suits see less xpensive as a bad thing.

 

[Kanon]

The props are built. The look is established. There are hungry and driven f/x houses that can deliver the goods for less than half the cost of the bigger farms. It can be done, but it's not likely that Sony would sign off on it. My time in Hollywood taught me that the suits see less xpensive as a bad thing.

Well, tha laws of production say that you can only choose 2 out of 3 variables; money, time, and quality: If you wanna save money and have it on time, quality will be forfitted. If you wanna save and have quality too, then be ready to wait for long development times. Want quality and results on time? pay up. To find someone awesome that does an otherwise expensive work for cheap is like winning the lottery. There is a reason movies cost as much as they do, and the vfx houses charge what they charge (and I hear that their profit is almost null most of the time). If there is someone cheaper, is because he lacks the talent and can't charge more or doesn't know how talented he is (lottery)

And even then, they have to build sets, and invest in some stars to add to the cast, probably hire better screenwritters... how else are gonna put asses on the seats if they don't improve the spectacle?

 

[bluejake01]

Well, tha laws of production say that you can only choose 2 out of 3 variables; money, time, and quality: If you wanna save money and have it on time, quality will be forfitted. If you wanna save and have quality too, then be ready to wait for long development times. Want quality and results on time? pay up. To find someone awesome that does an otherwise expensive work for cheap is like winning the lottery. There is a reason movies cost as much as they do, and the vfx houses charge what they charge (and I hear that their profit is almost null most of the time). If there is someone cheaper, is because he lacks the talent and can't charge more or doesn't know how talented he is (lottery)

And even then, they have to build sets, and invest in some stars to add to the cast, probably hire better screenwritters... how else are gonna put asses on the seats if they don't improve the spectacle?

Uhm...I worked in Hollywood for over a decade with several f/x houses. I am not ignorant of the inner workings of the studio system. It can be done and done well for a smaller budget. You get people in the theater with a good script and good performances. You give it to someone other than Feig. It's possible, but won't ever be approved by the suits.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Uhm...I worked in Hollywood for over a decade with several f/x houses. I am not ignorant of the inner workings of the studio system. It can be done and done well for a smaller budget. You get people in the theater with a good script and good performances. You give it to someone other than Feig. It's possible, but won't ever be approved by the suits.

Anything is possible if all those dominos fall perfectly. That goes without saying.

 

[Kanon]

Monday

1-Star Trek Beyond $6,252,063
2-The Secret Life of Pets $4,173,585
3-Lights Out $2,858,358
4-Ghostbusters $2,548,880
5-Ice Age: Collision Course $2,406,116

http://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart

 

[Mike_D202]

Kanye West should have invested in the GB reboot, he would have gotten his small loan.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Well, tha laws of production say that you can only choose 2 out of 3 variables; money, time, and quality: If you wanna save money and have it on time, quality will be forfitted. If you wanna save and have quality too, then be ready to wait for long development times. Want quality and results on time? pay up. To find someone awesome that does an otherwise expensive work for cheap is like winning the lottery. There is a reason movies cost as much as they do, and the vfx houses charge what they charge (and I hear that their profit is almost null most of the time). If there is someone cheaper, is because he lacks the talent and can't charge more or doesn't know how talented he is (lottery)

And even then, they have to build sets, and invest in some stars to add to the cast, probably hire better screenwritters... how else are gonna put asses on the seats if they don't improve the spectacle?

Sony could probably work out a revenue share with the actors/Feig for them to get money after it hits certain milestones financially and revenue streams.

It will still probably come down to if they think they can get more out of it in terms of growth domestically and overseas.

 

[NHawk19]

Sony could probably work out a revenue share with the actors/Feig for them to get money after it hits certain milestones financially and revenue streams.

It will still probably come down to if they think they can get more out of it in terms of growth domestically and overseas.

From Box Office Mojo.

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $88,815,450 71.1%
+ Foreign: $36,164,353 28.9%
= Worldwide: $124,979,803

 

[Neno_Kos]

From Box Office Mojo.

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $88,815,450 71.1%
+ Foreign: $36,164,353 28.9%
= Worldwide: $124,979,803

20M short from budget. Nice.