The New Ghostbusters - Part 6

[CJ]

Does anyone know if Bill Murray will cameo in this?

 

[TheCommissioner]

Does anyone know if Bill Murray will cameo in this?

Yes, along with Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, and Dan Ackroyd (sp?)

 

[Vaibow]

Which is what most actors, especially comedic actors, do, in their first few films. Play to their strengths.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this her first major film role. She's probably not established enough yet to land roles much outside what she is known for, nor would it be advantangeous from a marketing standpoint to suddenly present something other than what people like her for from SNL.

That said, it's kind of silly to believe that the few sequences we see in the trailer is all the range her character will have.



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They're probably just shooting for a kind of "less than fashion-conscious professor" look, much like the guys had in the original.

How can a style of clothing be cliche?

Why is something like this even an issue?

The nitpicking in here is so hyperbolic.

exactly, but my point is, which i probably didn't do too good a job expressing is that a lot of people are focusing on jones, yet, we are getting what we know from jones - where as, if you really wanted to nit pick, there are lots of issues people can pin point, if they want to do the stereotype route.

 

[TheCommissioner]

and for many people, this movie is in a damned if you, damned if you don't position

- if it fails, there will be the I Told You Sos

- if it does well, it will be the "well people like crap" refrain

 

[CJ]

Yes, along with Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, and Dan Ackroyd (sp?)

Awesome.

 

[JangoNate]

The problem this movie has caused now is it's making people on all sides look bad. You've got the sexists being called out for their offence remarks, you've got fans being called out for being whiny because they're remaking the film in the first place, you've got feminists being called out for saying everyone who doesn't like the trailer is misogynistic, and you've non-white people being called out for being overly sensitive about Leslie Jones' character. Everyone is arguing with everyone else for a variety of reasons over this film. To top it all off, the trailer for a lot of people just flat out wasn't funny. This is frankly the most unprecedented level of negativity for a film I've ever seen. It's easy to say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but there's bad publicity, and then there's this train wreck where the market team have to somehow win a lot of people back.

The hate is strong for this one and many are divided. Won't disagree there. I actually hate the division it's caused. I am happy that when I go to GB Fans there is some good discussion taking place and more positive comments. This was not always the case. The mood changes from board to board and social medium to social medium.

I think the main narrative carried by prominent media sites is: "Here's the exciting new trailer for Ghostbusters. It's getting a lot of backlash from misogynists." That's what most people will see. It's been pounded on from the beginning. Is it 100% true? Hell no, though I personally feel like they're nasty comments are overshadowing any productive criticism. But this is the message most people outside of message boards and who are only minimally interested will see. Those are the folks who will ultimately determine the fate of the film and I don't think they'll take the time to understand the nuances of the group opposing the film. They'll read it on a news site and move on. Why dig further?

 

[JangoNate]

and for many people, this movie is in a damned if you, damned if you don't position

- if it fails, there will be the I Told You Sos

- if it does well, it will be the "well people like crap" refrain

I've already been told elsewhere that my approval of the trailer means I like crap. Grow up! I absolutely cannot stand folks that have to be right and they are on both sides of the aisle. If you like something, cool. If not, cool. It's when I'm made to feel like an idiot because I like or dislike something that there's a problem.

 

[TheCommissioner]

The hate is strong for this one and many are divided. Won't disagree there. I actually hate the division it's caused.

agreed on that, especially to see people my age throwing temper tantrums like spoiled children who had a toy taken away

I think the main narrative carried by prominent media sites is: "Here's the exciting new trailer for Ghostbusters. It's getting a lot of backlash from misogynists." That's what most people will see. It's been pounded on from the beginning. Is it 100% true? Hell no, though I personally feel like they're nasty comments are overshadowing any productive criticism. But this is the message most people outside of message boards and who are only minimally interested will see. Those are the folks who will ultimately determine the fate of the film and I don't think they'll take the time to understand the nuances of the group opposing the film. They'll read it on a news site and move on. Why dig further?

its addressing a culture of dudebros who have been catered to by entertainment for so long, that something that doesn't cater to them is met with awful behavior

 

[Vaibow]

Awesome.

Just feel a shame the screen time they get, however little, could be reworked so they are play their original characters. It's almost like covert meetings, knowing the government is watching - Ernie has moved on, but helps them get back into the fire hall, where a lot of old gear is stored/blueprints etc.

Ray is a cab driver now, spending his days talking to people who want to hear it of conspiracies - he goes the girls a ride and explains a plan and gives them intel.

Peter, well, at first, he gives them a line that gives the impression he cannot talk and doesn't want to talk - but later they work out what he said was a code and they use it - let's say, he has too been secretly loping at what is happening over at C.E.R.N in europe, when questioned, he could be like... 'this doesn't conCERN you, but i'm just happy to live my life - not interested in particle physics and what information may be released - oh look, it's raining, here, use my paper as an umbrella' and off he goes and then later they see that the paper has been doodled over and there are equations and theories etc - i'm no script writer, but you get where i am coming from.

Anyways, the next trailer will really have to sell it to me as so far, i'm not watching.

 

[jmc]

The hate is strong for this one and many are divided. Won't disagree there. I actually hate the division it's caused. I am happy that when I go to GB Fans there is some good discussion taking place and more positive comments. This was not always the case. The mood changes from board to board and social medium to social medium.

I think the main narrative carried by prominent media sites is: "Here's the exciting new trailer for Ghostbusters. It's getting a lot of backlash from misogynists." That's what most people will see. It's been pounded on from the beginning. Is it 100% true? Hell no, though I personally feel like they're nasty comments are overshadowing any productive criticism. But this is the message most people outside of message boards and who are only minimally interested will see. Those are the folks who will ultimately determine the fate of the film and I don't think they'll take the time to understand the nuances of the group opposing the film. They'll read it on a news site and move on. Why dig further?

I actually think its completely irresponsible and disingenuous for some of those news outlets to focus squarely on that one aspect of the backlash, but those are the headlines that will generate clicks. I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of cautious articles too when it comes to this trailer, like some writers are afraid to make a negative comment about it or focus on the reaction it's gotten. Even Variety had a piece which seemed overly careful in its wording about the reaction it got. This is like a no-win situation for anyone.

 

[bluejake01]

Yes, along with Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, and Dan Ackroyd (sp?)

As well as Anni Potts

 

[TheCommissioner]

I actually think its completely irresponsible and disingenuous for some of those news outlets to focus squarely on that one aspect of the backlash, but those are the headlines that will generate clicks. I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of cautious articles too when it comes to this trailer, like some writers are afraid to make a negative comment about it or focus on the reaction it's gotten. Even Variety had a piece which seemed overly careful in its wording about the reaction it got. This is like a no-win situation for anyone.

it largely depends on the outlet, some like Nerdist and Mary Sue have been ardently defending it, basically trying to get people to calm down and at least wait until the movie is out to crap all over it if they want, but pruning the criticism that is not at all productive

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Sooooooo bad.

The trailer was so bad it made one of the ghosts vomit.

 

[bluejake01]

Spoiler

They check out the firehouse at first, Ernie Hudson's cameo is a real estate agent that shows them the place. Sadly, it's out of their price range so they rent part of a Chinese restaurant at first. I'd imagine it'd be WAY more expensive to rent out the upstairs of the restaurant and then rent out the giant firehouse just for a garage testing ground. After they kickstart the business they'll get the firehouse. I'm just pulling this from the outline and news leaks, so I haven't seen any test screenings.

That's exactly how it goes, but that isn't Ernie Hudson's cameo. Though his cameo does take place at that iconic location.

 

[jmc]

it largely depends on the outlet, some like Nerdist and Mary Sue have been ardently defending it, basically trying to get people to calm down and at least wait until the movie is out to crap all over it if they want, but pruning the criticism that is not at all productive

You've got two sides, one side it overly negative, and one side who is overly supportive, and both are going at each other. It's ugly. There's going to be a lot of lessons learned from this film. One way or another after this studios are going to think carefully about what beloved properties from 20-30 years ago they want to bring back and how they do it. It's actually going to be interesting to watch how this pans out.

 

[RockSP]

Leslie Jones is fighting back against the criticism. I really wish they hadn't used that Scene in the trailer...it gives the impression that her character is a one note walking stereotype.

Of course she is. It's not like she was going to bite the hand that's feeding her, especially since she was willing to play the role in the first place.

 

[bluejake01]

Of course she is. It's not like she was going to bite the hand that's feeding her, especially since she was willing to play the role in the first place.

Have you ever watched her doing stand up? Leslie Jones don't mess around. She is no one's puppet either.

 

[TheCommissioner]

You've got two sides, one side it overly negative, and one side who is overly supportive, and both are going at each other. It's ugly. There's going to be a lot of lessons learned from this film. One way or another after this studios are going to think carefully about what beloved properties from 20-30 years ago they want to bring back and how they do it. It's actually going to be interesting to watch how this pans out.

actually the lesson should be the entitled male fanbase that has been catered to for so long finally learning not everything is about them

my 14 and 12 year old nieces are excited..guess why? because according to them, they can finally be Ghostbusters

theyve both seen the original films

and that means more to me than any BS critique anyone has

 

[TheCommissioner]

here is what Leslie Jones had to say

http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/leslie-jones-responds-to-ghostbusters-complaints.html

 

[jmc]

actually the lesson should be the entitled male fanbase that has been catered to for so long finally learning not everything is about them

my 14 and 12 year old nieces are excited..guess why? because according to them, they can finally be Ghostbusters

theyve both seen the original films

and that means more to me than any BS critique anyone has

Perhaps the better lesson should be to develop new franchises instead of relying on 30 year old properties. Maybe use some new ideas and allow all female lead action movies to occur with their own identity and their own name.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

You've got two sides, one side it overly negative, and one side who is overly supportive, and both are going at each other. It's ugly. There's going to be a lot of lessons learned from this film. One way or another after this studios are going to think carefully about what beloved properties from 20-30 years ago they want to bring back and how they do it. It's actually going to be interesting to watch how this pans out.

After watching this and the Fantastic Four debacle. I'm starting to see there are some rules to bringing back franchises. A lot of the same criticisms were leveled at the Galatica remake
But didn't raise as much ire.

Depending on how deeply the series is engrained in pop culture or has already been remade like TMNT then the critiques don't matter as much. Heaven help them if they try to gender-race swap Back to the Future.

 

[Travesty]

Depending on how deeply the series is engraved in pop culture or has already been remade like TMNT then the critiques don't matter as much. Heaven help them if they try to gender-race swap Back to the Future.

People still went after TMNT when they heard the turtles were going to be aliens, and that Shredder was going to be played by a white guy. People were FURIOUS over that.

 

[jmc]

I think even keeping Back to the Future with the same genders would cause the same outcry. Sometimes studios should just let certain things go, I know it requires more work to develop original properties, but the kids of this generation need their own original franchises to grow up with. The 80's and early 90's was full of wild ideas and concepts that young people fell in love with, we need to bring back new ideas instead of making everything this hollow corporate package trying to appeal to the kids of the 80's and 90's. We don't need a new Ghostbusters, we need ideas like Ghostbusters.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

People still went after TMNT when they heard the turtles were going to be aliens, and that Shredder was going to be played by a white guy. People were FURIOUS over that.

Yeah but those critiques never went past the typical nerd article WTF. We get those when Superman lost his trunks.

Throwing SJW, racist, etc. cultural critiques only come when updating a property in a certain way.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I think even keeping Back to the Future with the same genders would cause the same outcry. Sometimes studios should just let certain things go, I know it requires more work to develop original properties, but the kids of this generation need their own original franchises to grow up with. The 80's and early 90's was full of wild ideas and concepts that young people fell in love with, we need to bring back new ideas instead of making everything this hollow corporate package trying to appeal to the kids of the 80's and 90's. We don't need a new Ghostbusters, we need ideas like Ghostbusters.

Nah. I think we crossed the proverbial Rubicon with geek properties when SW7 became real and they successfully recast the original Trek crew. Those two things were considered done and done. Like bringing back Uncle Ben.

Anyone who thinks Indiana Jones wasn't close to being recast without Ford is crazy.