The New Ghostbusters - Part 7

[samsnee]

My main concern about what we've heard so far is Patty. She just seems like an outdated stereotype we've seen too many times before in other movies.

 

[bluejake01]

Someone who is pro woman but not equal representation is sexist. You proved my point.

How is it that a female focused movie in a sea of films where males dominate the landscape, can be considered oppressive or problematic? Why was it not oppressive or problematic to have an all male Ghostbusters team in the original? Either there is nothing wrong with having an all female team, OR there was something wrong with an all male team. You can't have it both ways.

 

[bluejake01]

Debate the quality of the film after you have seen it, but leave the MRA talking points to the cavemen.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Ghostbusters news has a review of the new ghost toys which confirms the logo ghost as the main villain and that stay puft is a "balloon ghost"

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[Victarion]

Mayhem's cool looking.

 

[AllEights]

My main concern about what we've heard so far is Patty. She just seems like an outdated stereotype we've seen too many times before in other movies.

As both jake and I have said, the trailer has Patty's most annoying scenes dialed up to 11. She really isn't loud and grating in the movie.

Ghostbusters news has a review of the new ghost toys which confirms the logo ghost as the main villain and that stay puft is a "balloon ghost"

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That info has been out for a while and I wouldn't say he's the main villain. I would put it more in terms of a video game's final boss.

Mayhem's cool looking.

VFX were unfinished so it was hard to tell how cool he looked but the end result could still be cool however that figure is unimpressive. I've seen all of the new toys at TRU within the last couple weeks, none of them are anything to write home about. Even the classic figures are unimpressive however I would see how fans would want to own them in general. I am thinking that the modern toys are going to pegwarm and hit clearance in a few months.

 

[chaseter]

How is it that a female focused movie in a sea of films where males dominate the landscape, can be considered oppressive or problematic? Why was it not oppressive or problematic to have an all male Ghostbusters team in the original? Either there is nothing wrong with having an all female team, OR there was something wrong with an all male team. You can't have it both ways.

I don't think you know what equality is. It isn't propping up one side against the other because of historical oppression. Then again the Golden Rule does state that you treat others the opposite way as you want to be treated. Down with the man (literally).

 

[bluejake01]

I don't think you know what equality is. It isn't propping up one side against the other because of historical oppression. Then again the Golden Rule does state that you treat others the opposite way as you want to be treated. Down with the man (literally).

having an all female team is exactly equal to having an all male team. That's literally equality.

 

[Mike_D202]

lmao..this debate will continue for a good ten years I think. We have Mistique leading the X-Men in the new film too for whatever reason.

 

[Victarion]

lmao..this debate will continue for a good ten years I think. We have Mistique leading the X-Men in the new film too for whatever reason.

The difference for me is that based on the trailers, I'll enjoy her character. I can't say I'm interested in any of the 'busters except for the blonde one that's working on their gear.

Mayhem's got the terror dogs beat in terms of design. And I considered them to be some of the best ghosts in the two movies.

 

[chaseter]

having an all female team is exactly equal to having an all male team. That's literally equality.

So African Americans should enslave white people for a couple hundred years for racial equality? Equality isn't punching back to even the score. You don't know what equality is....and neither does Feig.

 

[bluejake01]

So African Americans should enslave white people for a couple hundred years for racial equality? Equality isn't punching back to even the score. You don't know what equality is....and neither does Feig.

I can't even fathom how pig ignorant someone must be, to come up with an argument like that. I never said anything of the sort and you know it. Having an all female group of friends/colleagues that come together to bust ghosts is not any more "wrong" than having an all male group of friends/colleagues come together to bust ghosts. I don't see the original film Ghostbusters as particularly oppressive or problematic, other than Winston being heavily rewritten and ending up with a smaller, less significant part.

Women shouldn't begin trading men to increase land, wealth and standing. Women shouldn't begin treating men like property. Women shouldn't expect men to obey them. Women shouldn't make laws forbidding men to vote. Women shouldn't make laws to control, restrict or regulate a man's right to choose what medical health options they have.

Getting to have female centric films every once in awhile is not going to harm anything but your precious little ego. It's okay, there there, no one is going to take away your big strong masculinity.

 

[def28]

Hopefully the next Ghostbusters is a team of both women and men. So everyone can lay off this nonsense.

The movie looks like ****, that's the problem.

 

[bluejake01]

Hopefully the next Ghostbusters is a team of both women and men. So everyone can lay off this nonsense.

The movie looks like ****, that's the problem.

If all I had seen was the marketing I would agree with you, and really that is the problem. Though there are a significant number of people that were ready to hate the movie before it even started shooting. Not just for sexist reasons, but also because it is a risky proposition to reimagine something iconic.

I did enjoy it, but it is also a flawed film, and there are several legitimate complaints that people will have once they have seen it...unless those flaws are addressed in the recent reshoots.

The project was doomed to begin with. When Harold Ramis died and they had decide if they would go forward with a third Ghostbusters movie I think they were damned if they did and are now damned that they didn't. The choice to remake the movie with no ties to the original was perhaps the only choice they could make, but it's such a fickle fan base that maybe they should have just let it die with Ramis.

 

[def28]

It's an extremely tough film to tackle, and I give Feig credit for attempting one way or the other.

They just are not showing me anything worthy of the property.

 

[Carnotaur3]

The choice to remake the movie with no ties to the original was perhaps the only choice they could make, but it's such a fickle fan base that maybe they should have just let it die with Ramis.

The choice to not make it was also there.

 

[bluejake01]

The choice to not make it was also there.

I didn't word that quite right. What I meant to say was that while they felt the only choice they could make going forward with the project was to drop the sequel and go for a remake, they could have chosen to let the project die.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

I'm going to again point out that a half-brained idea/treatment from Max Landis was drastically better than everything you'd spoken about, bluejake. It stayed within continuity, yet cleverly addressed where the original four wound up.

 

[bluejake01]

I'm going to again point out that a half-brained idea/treatment from Max Landis was drastically better than everything you'd spoken about, bluejake. It stayed within continuity, yet cleverly addressed where the original four wound up.

I do not disagree, but as producers both Ivan Reitman and Dan Aykroyd decided to scrap the sequel and go in a different direction. Max Landis didn't pitch his treatment, so it wouldn't factor into their choices. They gave the remake to Feig and let him run with it based on his pitch. It doesn't help anything to lament about what could have been. BTW, that treatment by Max Landis had me in tears, just the treatment. It could have been something special.

 

[sueb1863]

I didn't word that quite right. What I meant to say was that while they felt the only choice they could make going forward with the project was to drop the sequel and go for a remake, they could have chosen to let the project die.

Or they could have done a comedy about paranormal investigators/ hunters that had absolutely nothing to do with Ghostbusters, which is what I think they should have done. It's not like Ghostbusters had a copyright on the concept. With all of the paranormal stuff on TV these days (Ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures, True Ghost Stories, etc.) there is lots of inspiration.

There was no reason this HAD to be Ghostbusters, especially when they used almost NOTHING from Ghostbusters except the basic concept and the logo. This could have so easily been tweaked to be an entirely new story with no ties to GB and no reason to worry about being compared.

But they had to do GB and of course it's not as good as the original, and will be slammed because of that.

 

[chaseter]

I can't even fathom how pig ignorant someone must be, to come up with an argument like that. I never said anything of the sort and you know it. Having an all female group of friends/colleagues that come together to bust ghosts is not any more "wrong" than having an all male group of friends/colleagues come together to bust ghosts. I don't see the original film Ghostbusters as particularly oppressive or problematic, other than Winston being heavily rewritten and ending up with a smaller, less significant part.

Women shouldn't begin trading men to increase land, wealth and standing. Women shouldn't begin treating men like property. Women shouldn't expect men to obey them. Women shouldn't make laws forbidding men to vote. Women shouldn't make laws to control, restrict or regulate a man's right to choose what medical health options they have.

Getting to have female centric films every once in awhile is not going to harm anything but your precious little ego. It's okay, there there, no one is going to take away your big strong masculinity.

Every post you reply with reaffirms my point I made in the post you quote. You did it again here. You are shocked that I sarcastically state that whites should be slaved to promote your brand of equality and then the rest of your post is a tyrade over past transgressions by men against women as a way to reaffirm your idea that equality is not based on the present but a culmination of all transgressions due as reparations.

No one is complaining about female centric movies. There are a lot of great female lead movies. When the director actively switches every role with the opposite gender in the name of feminism or equality, don't you see the hypocrisy in that?

I'll leave it at that.

 

[Victarion]

I'm going to again point out that a half-brained idea/treatment from Max Landis was drastically better than everything you'd spoken about, bluejake. It stayed within continuity, yet cleverly addressed where the original four wound up.

The boss ghost from that one sounded amazing.

 

[Mike_D202]

Sigourney Weaver Almost gets cut from the Repoop

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...r-returns-dead-ghostbusters-article-1.2635262


They ain’t afraid of no edits.

Footage is disappearing faster than ornery ghosts behind the scenes of the new “Ghostbusters” movie. Insiders close to the highly anticipated reboot of the 1984 classic tell Confidenti@l that no one is safe from the chopping block as director Paul Feig and his editing team make their final cuts.

Even Sigourney Weaver, the female lead in the first two “Ghostbuster” movies, nearly got slimed this week, according to one insider.

“Sigourney was out of this last edit and was then put back in,” we’re told. “Her involvement is not essential to the story, but she was returned to the final cut.”

We’re told that pressure over rebooting the 32-year-old comedy, which stars (from left) Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Melissa McCarthy and Leslie Jones, has some production workers spooked.

“There’s been a lot of recuts and editing in recent weeks as concerns are growing over the movie,” we’re told. Even Bill Murray, who had top billing in the Ivan Reitman version of the poltergeist-pursuing classic — and supposedly a small part in the new one — has insiders wondering how “Ghostbusters” will play with audiences when it opens on July 15. The 65-year-old living legend doesn’t appear in the film’s official trailer.

“Bill’s scenes have raised some eyebrows and many in the project are worried that the fans may turn against it before giving it a fair crack,” says our insider. “I’ve never been involved in a project with so many different edits, re-edits and story alterations.”

According to our spy, one scene unlikely to appear in the final cut is a musical number that wasn’t working out.

Even McCarthy, who plays ghostbuster Abby Yates, expressed confusion last week over a trailer for the film, where the creative team and marketing staff appear to have crossed their proverbial streams.

“It’s weird that they said the ‘30 years ago’ because in this movie, the first one didn’t happen,” she said on the Johnjay and Rich radio show. “It’s that great story, but told totally differently.”

Film reps did not respond to a request for comment.

 

[bluejake01]

Every post you reply with reaffirms my point I made in the post you quote. You did it again here. You are shocked that I sarcastically state that whites should be slaved to promote your brand of equality and then the rest of your post is a tyrade over past transgressions by men against women as a way to reaffirm your idea that equality is not based on the present but a culmination of all transgressions due as reparations.

No one is complaining about female centric movies. There are a lot of great female lead movies. When the director actively switches every role with the opposite gender in the name of feminism or equality, don't you see the hypocrisy in that?

I'll leave it at that.

Way to completely miss the point. Not all of my examples are past transgressions, some of them are currently happening. Nor am I suggesting that Ghostbusters was wrong for having an all male team.

And yes little man child, plenty of people are complaining about female centric movies. Specifically, this one. If you have no problem with an all male team of Ghostbusters, then you should have no problem with an all female team.

 

[jmc]

A musical number? WTF?