The New Ghostbusters - Part 7

[bluejake01]

Every time I read about it, I feel odd that, [BLACKOUT]among all the noise that I imagine in the recordings, she recognizes and feels the need to ask about that.[/BLACKOUT]

I guess it was a really loud and clear EVP.

 

[Asgard]

I saw that cinemamassacre video where he says he wont be watching the new movie, and it seems to me that the main, maybe only reason he wont even give it a watch is because in this movie the original ghostbusters never existed. To someone who is supposedly a huge fan of the original movies I can see where that level of disgust is coming from.

All the talk about him being sexist is unwarranted.

The international trailer looked much better and Ill probably watch the movie once its released on blu ray or online.

 

[Jason Kane]

The whole attack on AVGN makes me wish it was July already so the **** can take the same hits as Fant4stic* did.

*Not even supporters of that cack were that meanspirited the way those who play the sexism card in the matter do.

 

[def28]

I guess the one argument you can make is that he watches a ton of crap so why not this.

But then we have had the argument for years with fans complaining about the way something looks and the reply is always "don't like it, don't see it". Nowadays that seems to be switching to "give them your money anyways. Then judge it". It's marketings job to make people want to see the movie, nobody should be paying for a film they think looks like ****.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i feel bad for Rolfe (AKA Angry Video Game Nerd)

i've been a fan of his for over 10 years, since when he was known as the Angry Nintendo Nerd. and yeah, the guy has been a longtime fan of the Ghostbusters. he loves the franchise. i remember his crapping on the NES version of the game and around 2009/2010 he even did a review of the 2009 videogame which was rare considering he tends to review old school games.

he did not say anything remotely sexist in his video explaining why he won't be reviewing the movie and the guy gave all very valid points. i don't understand how a lot of idiots out there interpreted his video as sexist, especially celebs like Patton Oswalt. i used to like some of Oswalt's stuff, but after this he totally lost my respect.

but hey, no such thing as bad publicity and Rolfe definitely got some even if it wasn't the type he wanted

 

[def28]

The whole road leading to the film has just been a fiasco. People are so quick to judge either way that it's difficult to even discuss without being sidetracked into the politics. There's always something, and now of all people the AVGN managed to get everyones attention.

Obviously the sexist nonsense comments have been repulsive on a new level but too many people have also assumed saying personal derogatory insults the other way is how to win the debate. It's not. Seen the worst of both sides. As well as supporters lashing on it themselves when they finally saw footage and decided things were a bit too stereotypical for their tastes or whatever. Just been a depressing mess.

At least in two months we can all talk about the flick itself and know the reaction. The trailers have been getting better so, that's something. Oh and Ecto Cooler should be back within a week!

 

[Sithborg]

Oh and Ecto Cooler should be back within a week!

Sunday.

 

[Marvel Knight]

So any suggestions what should happen with the GB Franchise after this thing hits?

 

[dark_b]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05...about-this-girl-free-ghostbusters-toy-packagi

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[Iron_Stark]

Are the people that complain about the lack of girl action figures mainly women or grown ass men that collect the toys? And do these women and men actually buy these toys to play with them or complain just to complain?

Because every time and I mean EVERYTIME I go to a toy store or a Walmart or Target with my son, the action figure he's usually looking for is rarely there, but the female action figures that nobody's buying are in abundance.

For example I have seen so many Marvel Legends Wasps, White Tigers, Hell Cat and recently Spider-Gwens.

 

[Sithborg]

It seems to be mainly parents of girls.

 

[dark_b]

Are the people that complain about the lack of girl action figures mainly women or grown ass men that collect the toys? And do these women and men actually buy these toys to play with them or complain just to complain?

Because every time and I mean EVERYTIME I go to a toy store or a Walmart or Target with my son, the action figure he's usually looking for is rarely there, but the female action figures that nobody's buying are in abundance.

For example I have seen so many Marvel Legends Wasps, White Tigers, Hell Cat and recently Spider-Gwens.

i think if more action movies were made for girls more would buy toys.

 

[Iron_Stark]

So these parents actually want their little girl to play with action figures and not their dolls or whatever's popular?

 

[Sithborg]

They want their kids to play with what they want. And get upset when such things aren't available or is discouraged.

 

[Abudefduf]

^ Why can't they play with both

Action figures of unknown cb characters not being bought doesn't really seem all that surprising.

 

[Iron_Stark]

They want their kids to play with what they want. And get upset when such things aren't available or is discouraged.

That's fine and well, but do little girls really want to play with the latest Star Wars playset or whatever's more popular with girls at the moment?

Like I said, there's an abundance of female Marvel Legends on the racks that aren't being bought.

And I bet anything these female ghostbusters will not sell much.

That's why I always thought the constant complaining about the lack of female action figures was dumb.

 

[Travesty]

Well, James Wallace should have ditched his journalism degree(if he even has one), and traded it in for a Marketing one, because when it comes to selling toys to kids, he clearly knows more than Mattel.

 

[Kanon]

That's fine and well, but do little girls really want to play with the latest Star Wars playset or whatever's more popular with girls at the moment?

There is a lot of confusion about what gender equality should be. Everyone should have equal rights, but that doesn't mean every gender/race/culture/whatever is equal regarding tastes... It's fine to allow everyone to enjoy whatever they want, but that doesn't mean anyone will enjoy anything, and people are expecting that just because there are action movies with women and you sell action oriented merchandising, little girls will buy it and go with it. But there seems to be something primitive in each of us that makes males enjoy more commonly violent, action-oriented stuff, while women enjoy different things, like romantic movies. And to accept that those basic instints exists and are not a problem is somehow wrong

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be options, quite the contrary. Movie heroes should be in all colors and sizes, men or women, but I don't think forcing stuff one way is cool (like making a movie with a premise that the cast will be all female for roles that could be filled with either genre, or forcing people to sell toys for a market that doesn't want them, and saying that they are wrong not wanting them)

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think it's strange that someone as harmless as James Rolfe is getting slammed in articles for posting a video explaining why he won't watch the movie in a very civil way. I'm all for getting behind this movie but some are acting like he's one of the crazies, which I don't quite get.

Some guessed the reason behind all the hot wind blowing toward him is some read the video title and acted based on that without actually playing the video.

I can't think of any reason he did it outside of attention. Now he has it. It was so unnecessary. Just say you aren't going to watch it at the end of one of the many Ghostbusters videos you are already making and move on.

Well, he is an internet celebrity, and that pays him money.
He actually reviewed a number of movies, he reviewed Creed, Star Wars the Force Awakens, Batman V Superman, Terminator Genysis...
All recent movies based on franchises he loves, and he mostly enjoyed all movies, except maybe the terminator one.

He made another video about the failed history of Ghostbusters 3, and in that one or the 'refuse to review' video he said he was tired of the constant raised hopes that were not met for years.

 

[def28]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05...about-this-girl-free-ghostbusters-toy-packagi

yes. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

This is one product. If the whole line looks like this that is an issue especially given their new film.

This was an issue I saw coming long ago though. If they had a picture of a girl then boys would not be buying it. Young boys and girls gravitate and identify to characters and merch of their own sex the majority of the time. The toy companies are most certainly worried that given there are no male Ghostsbuters in their new film that they will have to make a stronger push for it in merch. There should certainly be an increase regarding younger female Ghostbuster fans, but as far as younger male fans I'm not too sure. I don't think parents will see their male children running around pretending they are Kristen Wiig and Melissa Mcartrhy.

They should be marketing to both with proton packs from the new Ghostsbuters for girls and the older Ghostbusters for males. Label the characters on the front and give them options. Easy.

Sunday.

Nice!

 

[Abudefduf]

Young boys and girls gravitate and identify to characters and merch of their own sex the majority of the time.

And... that sounds like a problem to me. Especially if they keep the same attitude once they grow up, because then you end up with a bunch of teens and manchildren screaming bloody murder when they see that their Star Wars movie or the Ghostbusters remake is not starring someone of their same sex.

I'm not saying that women and men are the same but I don't think they're as different as we're so often led to believe. Maybe it's time for a change. And by time for a change I mean, it's time to give our kids the wrong toys and turn them gay.

 

[def28]

And... that sounds like a problem to me. Especially if they keep the same attitude once they grow up, because then you end up with a bunch of teens and manchildren screaming bloody murder because a Star Wars movie is not starring someone of their same sex.


I'm not saying that women and men are the same but I don't think they're as different as we're so often led to believe. Maybe it's time for a change. And by time for a change I mean, it's time to give our kids the wrong toys and turn them gay.

There's a big difference between kids and adults.

There should be choices is the point. It should not be one or the other. You are more likely to find the majority of young girls with Barbies and boys with Ninja Turtles. That's not gonna change, and you can't fault a child for that. What you can do is bring more options to the table.

There should be more female action characters like Rey in big blockbuster properties so girls can relate too. If boys want to relate to her they can. But that doesn't mean every young boy is or should choose to role-play as her over say Poe, Anakin, Han and Finn. Far from it.

With Ghostbusters I don't think having it be all one sex or the other was the best idea in todays era strictly because I think the choice affects the younger audience who they want to make money off of. Kids don't give a **** about these debates. They just want characters they can identify with. I may love the film, but a coed team says equality more so then everyone needs to be male, or everyone needs to be female imo. The point that if a movie can be all male 30 years ago for the 80s youth, then why can't it be all female for todays will be lost on this young generation until they get older. It was never a good choice for merch side of things.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05...about-this-girl-free-ghostbusters-toy-packagi

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ben YayMayorBee • 2 hours ago

You guys sound like a bunch of tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. There's a boy on the cover, because those types of playsets will sell more towards boys. Sure, girls can play with them too, but it's going to attract more boys than girls. They have teams of people in their marketing to figure these things out. So if you're mad about this, get mad at the almighty dollar, because that's what businesses care more about.

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YayMayorBee ben • 2 hours ago

Couple things:

First, you're assuming that all business decisions are made in a perfectly rational manner. That just isn't the case. Decision-makers are not always rational and there are a billion examples out there to look at. Here's one: http://io9.gizmodo.com/paul-dini-superhero-cartoon-execs-dont-want-largely-f-1483758317

Paul Dini told Kevin Smith that Cartoon Network cancelled one of his shows because it started to get too popular with girls. That didn't fit their preconceived marketing and merchandising playbook, so rather than try to cater to their audience they just shut the whole thing down. That's lazy, irrational, and, yes, sexist. Spiting your audience because you can't be bothered to even try to sell to them is the exact opposite of what a rational actor does.

Second, how you market a toy matters. If you put no girls on the packaging or in the other promotional photos for an item, how can you possibly be surprised that there's no significant demand among girls? You've just specifically communicated to girls that this toy isn't for them! You're saying there's no market and you know this because you've never marketed to it! It's more irrational, circular logic.

Third, it's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to point out that sexism exists and is likely at play. There's no requirement of a secret cabal of rabid misogynists. They're not supervillains. All it takes is a handful of people at a certain level of power with the same kind of biases. Is it so inconceivable that a bunch of middle-aged dudes who come from a different era of fandom--if they were ever fans, themselves--would have preconceived biases against engaging with a female market?
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[Travesty]

lol, I can't believe we're now making toys the issue here. Now the toys are sexist.

 

[terry78]

Even amongst all the rigamarole I suspect this film will do pretty ****ing well in July.