The New Ghostbusters - Part 9

[danoyse]

Here's the problem. Wiig can be funny in spots - like her scenes in "Knocked Up". However, when you put her in full time roles her schtick becomes a tired act. She plays the same character over and over again.

I loved her in Bridesmaids. I think she's hilarious, actually.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The fact that you are able to separate them says alot. Must be that arrogant ale you drink.

They're both equally obnoxious and one-note.

I have actually watched both their works. Of course I am sure many here watch plenty of McCarthy's work.

 

[Matt]

Clearly.

Doesn't give them the right to throw months-long tantrums because they don't like this movie. Grow up, already.

I agree with this a lot.

Personally, I am of the mind that no movie is untouchable (except Back to the Future, I will gut anyone who touches Back to the Future). If a filmmaker truly has a unique spin to put on a story or make it relevant for modern times, go for it. No one complains about Dracula movies or Sherlock Holmes movies or James Bond movies. A story can be told in different ways. Ghostbusters is no exception.

I doubt I'll see this one. With the exception of Wiig, none of this cast really speaks to my comedic sensibilities and Feig's style does not either. But that doesn't mean it is bad. Just not for me. I don't understand the hate. If there is an audience for this movie, I hope they enjoy it. If not, well, Charlie Day would be a natural fit for a Ghostbusters revival and maybe that will find an audience.

 

[BoredGuy]

resounding neg review from Roeper:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-reboot-a-horrifying-mess/
is it true that they [BLACKOUT]ghost bust Egon[/BLACKOUT]?? mark that one in the 'f*** this movie' column

Personally, I am of the mind that no movie is untouchable (except Back to the Future, I will gut anyone who touches Back to the Future). If a filmmaker truly has a unique spin to put on a story or make it relevant for modern times, go for it.

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I don't understand the hate.

How do you not understand it when you just said you would "gut" anyone who touches BTTF?
That's exactly the same feeling playing out here

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Clearly.

Doesn't give them the right to throw months-long tantrums because they don't like this movie. Grow up, already.

That is the thing. They act like this hasn't happened. Like the YT trailer pages haven't been full of misogynistic crap. Like there hasn't been the labeling of casting women a gimmick. And then there is the reaction to any acknowledgement that there are in fact women in these roles.

 

[Kanon]

People need to stop discussing the female cast. Now. It is what it is, and whatever good or bad can be said is mostly down to personal preferences or opinion. It's beating a dead horse, and the horse has been dead for a year and a half now. Let it go. There are plenty of thing to be happy or upset about this film.

Just make an effort and look for things to like or dislike besides the cast, even if for a while. All I hear is related to the gender of the cast, and is sickening (another reason why I think general audiences are being put off by this movie)

 

[BoredGuy]

I don't think it's fair to lump anyone here in with YT commenters
that's a whole 'nother level of hell

 

[Matt]

resounding neg review from Roeper:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-reboot-a-horrifying-mess/
is it true that they [BLACKOUT]ghost bust Egon[/BLACKOUT]?? mark that one in the 'f*** this movie' column


How do you not understand it when you just said you would "gut" anyone who touches BTTF?
That's exactly the same feeling playing out here

I was being facetious.

 

[BoredGuy]

I was being facetious.

No, I know, you were exaggerating
but people get fiercely loyal about their beloved properties, especially on the internet
I'd like to welcome all who are unfamiliar with this phenomena to the Hype, lol

 

[danoyse]

I agree with this a lot.

Personally, I am of the mind that no movie is untouchable (except Back to the Future, I will gut anyone who touches Back to the Future). If a filmmaker truly has a unique spin to put on a story or make it relevant for modern times, go for it. No one complains about Dracula movies or Sherlock Holmes movies or James Bond movies. A story can be told in different ways.

I doubt I'll see this one. With the exception of Wiig, none of this cast really speaks to my comedic sensibilities and Feig's style does not either. But that doesn't mean it is bad. Just not for me. I don't understand the hate. If there is an audience for this movie, I hope they enjoy it. If not, well, Charlie Day would be a natural fit for a Ghostbusters revival and maybe that will find an audience.

Exactly.

I even tried to put myself in the place where...what if they were remaking Back to the Future? That's my favorite movie. And I would hate that. But whatever...I have no control over that. The audience will vote with their wallets. If it works, it works. If it doesn't...well then, they shouldn't have remade Back to the Future.

I love Dirty Dancing, and there's some live TV version happening at the end of the year. I don't really have any interest watching it, so I probably won't. If someone else wants to watch and enjoy it, go ahead.

I have a ticket for Ghostbusters on Friday night. Reviews seem decent. I love the original, but I love this idea too, and I love the talent involved. And yes, as a woman, I love the idea of an all-female team. (I'm loving Kate McKinnon's character from the clips I've seen so far). Maybe it will be good, maybe it won't...but the world's not going to end if it isn't.

And yes, people have been freaking horrible about this movie. The cast visited a children's hospital in Boston in costume while they were filming, and the hospital's Facebook page got slammed by trolls claiming they weren't the "real" Ghostbusters. People are telling the cast on Twitter they'd rather be raped than watch the movie. Paul Feig got trolled when he posted well-wishes after the Orlando shooting.

Grow the hell up already. It's just a movie. Stay home if you don't like it.

 

[danoyse]

People need to stop discussing the female cast. Now.

No they don't.

 

[Teelie]

I think it was largely a perfect storm though. I cannot think of any movie that is as revered as Ghostbusters being remade in such a manner.

Robocop would come close but it isn't as revered and the reboot was mediocre. When I watched it the movie was better than I expected but that does not mean a lot when I expected it to be a disappointing rehash. For the most part it was and several of the changes made to it took out the teeth and the enjoyment the original had.

This Ghostbusters reboot probably will similary change a few details it shouldn't and not bring as much fun as the original but I have better expectations for it than I did for Robocop. And more than I currently do for the Mummy reboot. Nothing against it but I don't feel like Tom Cruise fights the Mummy is all that compelling right now.

The next reboot even moderately interesting to me is the Spider-Man one where they finally get over the origin story nonsense and just show him being Peter Parker/Spider-Man in action.

 

[danoyse]

That is the thing. They act like this hasn't happened. Like the YT trailer pages haven't been full of misogynistic crap. Like there hasn't been the labeling of casting women a gimmick. And then there is the reaction to any acknowledgement that there are in fact women in these roles.

I saw a female writer get called the c-word this morning just for making a joke about it.

I posted about it a few pages back, but I had an angry little boy yelling at me for 20 minutes on Twitter last week after I posted a picture of the Lego car I bought last week because they're not "the REAL Ghostbusters!"

 

[GuestStar2004]

When someone tweets to one of the cast that they'd rather "be Brock Turner'd than sit through your movie", I don't really care what their opinion about this movie is not matter how much it mattered to them growing up.

Tbh it goes both ways as james rolf (AVGN) said he wasn't planning on seeing the movie and gave his reasons and somehow that become headlines for some reason and he was getting a fair amount of attacks saying he was just sexist.

And then of course the cast and director crack jokes about ruining mens childhoods and stuff which is very unprofessional because while they are mocking people they feel are trolls they are also alienating those who were not impressed by the trailers and maybe were on the fence about it to likely be put off altogether now.

Then of course there was stuff about sony deleting negative comments on youtube and keeping anything that made it sound like the haters were sexist.

They hardly done themselves any favours here.

 

[Kanon]

No they don't.

Go ahead, beat the dead horse all you want then and keep wondering why people is rejecting this movie when all they hear is "misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist"

 

[bluejake01]

resounding neg review from Roeper:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-reboot-a-horrifying-mess/
is it true that they [BLACKOUT]ghost bust Egon[/BLACKOUT]?? mark that one in the 'f*** this movie' column


How do you not understand it when you just said you would "gut" anyone who touches BTTF?
That's exactly the same feeling playing out here

That's not was being said. He said there is a bust of Harold Ramis visible in one of the shots. Like a statue. I don't remember this and it may have been added after the test screening. It is obviously an homage to Ramis.

 

[BoredGuy]

dreams do come true (well, nightmares at least): http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-premiere-producer-amy-pascal-909624

 

[danoyse]

Go ahead, beat the dead horse all you want then and keep wondering why people is rejecting this movie when all they hear is "misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist-sexist-all-female-misogynist"

I think there's a pretty well-rounded discussion going on about all of the aspects of the film here. You don't get to decide which way that conversation goes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tbh it goes both ways as james rolf (AVGN) said he wasn't planning on seeing the movie and gave his reasons and somehow that become headlines for some reason and he was getting a fair amount of attacks saying he was just sexist.

And then of course the cast and director crack jokes about ruining mens childhoods and stuff which is very unprofessional because while they are mocking people they feel are trolls but they are also alienating those who were not impressed by the trailers and maybe were on the fence about it to likely be put off altogether now.

Then of course there was stuff about sony deleting negative comments on youtube and keeping anything that made it sound like the haters were sexist.

They hardly done themselves any favours here.

This was simple. The guy who makes a career off reviewing bad movies and games decides he won't see a very specific movie and makes a video about it. Kotaku wrote a nice article about the obvious contradiction of the entire situation.

And of course that is not the same thing. To even consider talk of rape as the same thing is ridiculous.

 

[Teelie]

dreams do come true (well, nightmares at least): http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-premiere-producer-amy-pascal-909624

What, you didn't expect them to line up sequels?

 

[Matt]

Exactly.

I even tried to put myself in the place where...what if they were remaking Back to the Future? That's my favorite movie. And I would hate that. But whatever...I have no control over that. The audience will vote with their wallets. If it works, it works. If it doesn't...when then, they shouldn't have remade Back to the Future.

I love Dirty Dancing, and there's some live TV version happening at the end of the year. I don't really have any interest watching it, so I probably won't. If someone else wants to watch and enjoy it, go ahead.

I have a ticket for Ghostbusters on Friday night. Reviews seem decent. I love the original, but I love this idea too, and I love the talent involved. And yes, as a woman, I love the idea of an all-female team. (I'm loving Kate McKinnon's character from the clips I've seen so far). Maybe it will be good, maybe it won't...but the world's not going to end if it isn't.

And yes, people have been freaking horrible about this movie. The cast visited a children's hospital in Boston in costume while they were filming, and the hospital's Facebook page got slammed by trolls claiming they weren't the "real" Ghostbusters. People are telling the cast on Twitter they'd rather be raped than watch the movie. Paul Feig got trolled when he posted well-wishes after the Orlando shooting.

Grow the hell up already. It's just a movie. Stay home if you don't like it.

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You said it perfectly. If Back to the Future (also my favorite movie) were remade, I just wouldn't watch it unless it looked like it did justice to the original and was a new take that spoke to me. If its not, oh well. Maybe it speaks to someone else in the same way that the original speaks to me. It doesn't mean my perception of it as a bad movie is wrong. It doesn't mean someone else's perception of it as a good movie is right. It just is what it is.

It doesn't mean no one should ever try to remake it. A remake could be brilliant. This movie (Ghostbusters 2016) might speak to an entire generation of movie goers the way Ghostbusters did. 30 years from now, there may be a group up in arms over the all male remake of Ghostbusters 2016. If it does. Good, its done its job, it was worth remaking. If it doesn't, if it is just a bad movie that bombs, it hasn't done its job. But that doesn't mean Ghostbusters in and of itself can never be worth remaking.

Either way, no harm no foul. The original is still there. I'd venture to say it sits on the DVD shelf of nearly every person in this thread. Unless Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy are breaking into your homes and stealing every copy of the original Ghostbusters, then this movie changes nothing.

At any rate, its hardly worth the level of rage you describe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I saw a female writer get called the c-word this morning just for making a joke about it.

I posted about it a few pages back, but I had an angry little boy yelling at me for 20 minutes on Twitter last week after I posted a picture of the Lego car I bought last week because they're not "the REAL Ghostbusters!"

Yeah, sounds about right. I honestly wasn't on board with this movie to start. I was completely against it really, but after Spy, I decided I was willing to give it a chance. I still don't know if I am going to see it, but the reaction to this film has bothered me, a lot. It reminds me of the situation with Ridley and Boyega with Star Wars, on a much larger scale.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Ghostbusters is one funny movie I loved when I was a kid, one sequel that I only saw because Batman was sold out, and some kids cartoon I never watched. I adore the original, but it's never been a sacred cow franchise to me.

Thats the problem i think sony and the director may have missed as they probably feel its just a reboot of the classic original movie, but there are people that have grown up with the movie aswell as its sequel, the real ghostbusters cartoon and the 2009 video game which is still fairly recent, so there is alot of love for this franchise that goes beyond the original movie also

Id also count in the extreme ghostbusters cartoon which while had a new team it did feel like a sequel to the real ghostbusters cartoon.

 

[danoyse]

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You said it perfectly. If Back to the Future (also my favorite movie) were remade, I just wouldn't watch it unless it looked like it did justice to the original and was a new take that spoke to me. If its not, oh well. Maybe it speaks to someone else in the same way that the original speaks to me. It doesn't mean my perception of it as a bad movie is wrong. It doesn't mean someone else's perception of it as a good movie is right. It just is what it is.

It doesn't mean no one should ever try to remake it. A remake could be brilliant. This movie (Ghostbusters 2016) might speak to an entire generation of movie goers the way Ghostbusters did. 30 years from now, there may be a group up in arms over the all male remake of Ghostbusters 2016. If it does. Good, its done its job, it was worth remaking. If it doesn't, if it is just a bad movie that bombs, it hasn't done its job. But that doesn't mean Ghostbusters in and of itself can never be worth remaking.

Either way, no harm no foul. The original is still there. I'd venture to say it sits on the DVD shelf of nearly every person in this thread. Unless Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy are breaking into your homes and stealing every copy of the original Ghostbusters, then this movie changes nothing.

At any rate, its hardly worth the level of rage you describe.

Thank you.

I see tons of theater. Just about everything I see gets revived at some point. I saw a show for the third time this weekend, and it has a new lead, so I got to see how someone else plays that role (he was great).

I've seen Les Miserables 11 times on stage, and I've seen at least 9 different actors play Jean Valjean. I've seen 8 different actors play Hedwig in Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

It's different versions, different interpretations. Some work, some don't. Keeps things interesting, and pretty awesome when you see something new work really well.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, sounds about right. I honestly wasn't on board with this movie to start. I was completely against it really, but after Spy, I decided I was willing to give it a chance. I still don't know if I am going to see it, but the reaction to this film has bothered me, a lot. It reminds me of the situation with Ridley and Boyega with Star Wars, on a much larger scale.

But then you have the flip like this New York TImes article titled "Ghostbusters: Girls Rule, Women Are Funny, Get Over It", that tries to paint any opposition or distaste to the movie as some sort of chauvinistic, reactionary hatred. Feig has played into this. Both sides are wrong, IMO.