The New X-Force

[TheCorpulent1]

Looks good. I'm actually looking forward to this a lot now, especially if they're actually tackling some fresh character stuff with Wolverine. I can't recall seeing Wolverine have to deal with people who are more bloodthirsty than he is. That should provide an interesting dynamic for him.

 

[Xofenroht]

I agree with you there. It definitely opens the door to explore the dynamics of mutation categories within the X-books. I've always wondered if, for instance, telepaths believed that they were superior to other mutants. You know, like the propaganda started with interracial mixing?

 

[PhotoJones]

I also like the idea of Logan being weirded/freaked out by the others' actions and attitudes.

 

[Xofenroht]

Yeah, me too, it's a nice sign of character progression since he's looking at a bunch of younger versions of himself.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. Kind of weird when you consider that, in light of Warpath's newfound rage, the hierarchy of viciousness from least to most in X-Force is now something like Rahne, Wolverine, Warpath, X-23 (unless X-23 has begun fighting her baser instincts like Logan's done for years; I don't know, I usually avoid her at all costs).

 

[PhotoJones]

Rahne holds back, and rightfully so. I'd put it at X-23, Warpath, Logan and then Rahne.

 

[Xofenroht]

I'm excited for the inevitable moment when Logan kicks Scott's ass for even putting him back in the situation he worked so hard to get away from, via the X-Men, no less.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Logan doesn't seem to be complaining in the previews.

Rahne holds back, and rightfully so. I'd put it at X-23, Warpath, Logan and then Rahne.

From most vicious to least? Because if so, that's the order I had, only reversed.

 

[Xofenroht]

You're right, he's not exactly complaining in the previews, but isn't he already a little taken aback by all of this? I can't imagine him enjoying this for too long.

 

[PhotoJones]

From most vicious to least? Because if so, that's the order I had, only reversed.

From most vicious to least, yes. Logan has simmered since his early years. He's got no problem with killing, but James and X-23 seem to want it. They need to kill some people, and they need to do it as brutally as possible.

 

[Xofenroht]

Yeah, Logan's not having that ****. That's one of the main problems he had with Sabretooth and we all know how that one ended.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

From most vicious to least, yes. Logan has simmered since his early years. He's got no problem with killing, but James and X-23 seem to want it. They need to kill some people, and they need to do it as brutally as possible.

Yeah, I agree. Rahne is easily the least vicious, ironically because she's the most animalistic. She's forced into her viciousness by her mutation, when really she's a pretty gentle person. I look forward to seeing her balance that conflict between her two sides in X-Force.

 

[Xofenroht]

Maybe her and Matt Murdock can pray together.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, I agree. Rahne is easily the least vicious, ironically because she's the most animalistic. She's forced into her viciousness by her mutation, when really she's a pretty gentle person. I look forward to seeing her balance that conflict between her two sides in X-Force.

I like the fact that Logan completely does not want her on the team, for her own sake.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's another nod to Logan's own struggle with his bestial side. I like that he'd willingly spare anyone else from suffering what he's gone through for years now. If only more writers would write Wolverine that way, instead of as a one-note brawler who just likes to fight.

 

[Xofenroht]

Is this title already out or something? Because I have no idea about any of this stuff you guys are talking about (except from the previews).

 

[Xofenroht]

I hope we get to see Logan turning more towards the woods again. I always loved the issues where he'd disappear somewhere in the forests on the school grounds.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, that's another nod to Logan's own struggle with his bestial side. I like that he'd willingly spare anyone else from suffering what he's gone through for years now. If only more writers would write Wolverine that way, instead of as a one-note brawler who just likes to fight.

Rucka nailed it, as far as I'm concerned. The scenes with Logan and Kurt in particular were awesome.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the issue where Logan basically confesses to Kurt over beer is awesome on so many levels. They should've let Kurt stay a priest.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, they should have. What happened with that?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Someone--I think it was Austen--revealed that the church Kurt had entered the holy order through wasn't a real church or something. Then Kurt was like, "lol, never mind, I didn't really want to be a priest anyway." But it also devastated him.

It was stupid.

 

[PhotoJones]

The hell? Go, Austen.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wikipedia is surprisingly lax on details itself:

Wanting to devote more time to priesthood, Nightcrawler shares team leadership with Archangel. However, his work as a priest is revealed to be an illusion; he had, in fact, never attained priesthood. This and the controversial "truth" behind Kurt's parentage are revealed by writer Chuck Austen.

 

[Harlekin]

No, what they revealed is that the Church of something (not Humanity, it was that Church from Casey's run) had made him think he had become a priest. They were planning to make him Pope, then reveal him as the Anti-Christ (as he'd use an image inducer), and some other cooky stuff would help with exploding wafers.

 

[PhotoJones]

No, what they revealed is that the Church of something (not Humanity, it was that Church from Casey's run) had made him think he had become a priest. They were planning to make him Pope, then reveal him as the Anti-Christ (as he'd use an image inducer), and some other cooky stuff would help with exploding wafers.

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