Homecoming The Next Spider-Man - - - - - - - - Part 17

[C Prometheus]

How do you think Tom would pull off the role?

Well, to be honest, Airwings and Hellion kinda nailed it...

I know you didn't ask me, but I have to say: Asa = Keaton and Tom = Kilmer

That actually makes so much sense LOL, a good way to put it in some perspective...

Asa would be more akin to how Keaton approached Batman; very idiosyncratic. A lot of people were surprised by how dark a Batman Keaton was able to portray, because he was largely known for being a comedian. Interestingly enough, Keaton used a fair amount of his comedic skill in his take on Bruce Wayne, using it to highlight Bruce's struggles in interacting with other people. While I do think we'd see the darker/quieter elements of Asa's acting in his take on Peter, I think he might also surprise people in his comedic elements too. It likely wouldn't be an exact portrayal of Peter, but it'd likely be very well-done and something very interesting to see. More of a risk, but I think there'd be more of a special payoff from it too.

Although Tom is also a very brilliant actor like Asa, I think his take on Spidey would ultimately be considerably "safer." He'd be much warmer in the role, like Kilmer was as Batman. We'd likely get a fair amount of goofiness and charm from his Peter.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. In fact, that's probably why so many fans here are hoping Tom got the role. Personally I'll be happy with either one. They're both very great actors and could nail the role really well.

Admittedly though, as an aspiring filmmaker myself, I'd personally pick Asa as Peter. I think you could have a lot more fun behind-the-scenes working with a slightly more creative interpretation of the character, which I think would probably be what we'd get with Asa in the role.

 

[harryoscop]

Well, to be honest, Airwings and Hellion kinda nailed it...




Asa would be more akin to how Keaton approached Batman; very idiosyncratic. A lot of people were surprised by how dark a Batman Keaton was able to portray, because he was largely known for being a comedian. Interestingly enough, Keaton used a fair amount of his comedic skill in his take on Bruce Wayne, using it to highlight Bruce's struggles in interacting with other people. While I do think we'd see the darker/quieter elements of Asa's acting in his take on Peter, I think he might also surprise people in his comedic elements too. It likely wouldn't be an exact portrayal of Peter, but it'd likely be very well-done and something very interesting to see. More of a risk, but I think there'd be more of a special payoff from it too.

Although Tom is also a very brilliant actor like Asa, I think his take on Spidey would ultimately be considerably "safer." He'd be much warmer in the role, like Kilmer was as Batman. We'd likely get a fair amount of goofiness and charm from his Peter.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. In fact, that's probably why so many fans here are hoping Tom got the role. Personally I'll be happy with either one. They're both very great actors and could nail the role really well.

Admittedly though, as an aspiring filmmaker myself, I'd personally pick Asa as Peter. I think you could have a lot more fun behind-the-scenes working with a slightly more creative interpretation of the character, which I think would probably be what we'd get with Asa in the role.

Another great post!

And finally, who do you think will ultimately get the role?

 

[Shanio1]

Wow C Prometheus some excellent posts you've posted recently

 

[C Prometheus]

Another great post!

And finally, who do you think will ultimately get the role?

Thanks!

Honestly? I think Asa got the role, but I'm not entirely sure.

Let me elaborate on this: I can't quite picture Asa's Spidey in the rumored approach of the solo films being essentially a blend of John Hughes comedy and the superhero genre. That would definitely work much easier with Tom in the role.

Having said that, I also think we're going to get the Symbiote Arc in the sequel films. The set-up for that happening via the Infinity War films is too perfect an opportunity for Marvel Studios to pass up, I think. If they do go that route, I'm not really sure how the JH comedy aspect would really continue in the sequels. Comedy will always be present to some extent in a Spidey film, but when you bring the Symbiote into the mix, things get considerably more serious.

So I think part of my hesitancy comes from that report on the list of directors being considered and the supposed approach to the films. If the older rumors are still holding up and we have Drew Goddard in position for Spidey, I'd be a lot more confident in saying that I think Asa got the gig.

Wow C Prometheus some excellent posts you've posted recently

Thanks man! I'm just speaking my mind. I could very easily be wrong on this stuff.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Dylan is still my #1 choice, nothing changes that.

I'm with you, pal. Nothing has said either Asa or Tom would be better in the role than Dylan to me, other than the insistence of looking like a younger high schooler rather than older high schooler.

But, if they insist on that route, and these are the two choices, I lean toward Tom, though I've warmed up a little toward Asa.

I know you didn't ask me, but I have to say: Asa = Keaton and Tom = Kilmer

I know it's your opinion, which you are entitled to, but that seems rather arbitrary, with no basis on anything.

 

[harryoscop]

I want to see a Hot Toys 1/6 Action Figure for Psylocke!

And those wobble heads merchandizes!

Thanks!

Honestly? I think Asa got the role, but I'm not entirely sure.

Let me elaborate on this: I can't quite picture Asa's Spidey in the rumored approach of the solo films being essentially a blend of John Hughes comedy and the superhero genre. That would definitely work much easier with Tom in the role.

Having said that, I also think we're going to get the Symbiote Arc in the sequel films. The set-up for that happening via the Infinity War films is too perfect an opportunity for Marvel Studios to pass up, I think. If they do go that route, I'm not really sure how the JH comedy aspect would really continue in the sequels. Comedy will always be present to some extent in a Spidey film, but when you bring the Symbiote into the mix, things get considerably more serious.

So I think part of my hesitancy comes from that report on the list of directors being considered and the supposed approach to the films. If the older rumors are still holding up and we have Drew Goddard in position for Spidey, I'd be a lot more confident in saying that I think Asa got the gig.



Thanks man! I'm just speaking my mind. I could very easily be wrong on this stuff.

Sweet! so Tom may still have a fighting chance! t: He could probably give us a more traditional take on Spider-Man.

While Asa would probably give us a more sarcastic, witty Spider-Man, cause if read what Weintraub said : "Marvel LOVED Asa's take on Spider-Man" that backs it further.

I'd like to believe Tom will get the role, but something KEEPS telling me Asa will get the role.. and seriously don't know why..

 

[spider greg]

I'm very curious as to how Asa might go about the role, assuming he will indeed be cast. It'd definitely be considerably different from how Tom Holland or pretty much every other actor I've seen recommended would go about the role.

Asa would definitely knock out the quieter, more intense moments that we're likely to get via Peter dealing with some amount of teenage angst (I doubt they'd go too far with that). He might channel out some of his performance from X+Y by portraying Peter as being a bit more quiet and insecure and thus use Spider-Man as a means for him to come out of his anti-social shell.
I also think he'd be an absolute perfect fit for Peter and Spidey if they do end up adapting the Symbiote Arc over the course of the sequel solo films, as I suspect they will. If nothing else, I think most people would agree that Asa can definitely nail the less common, darker side to Peter.

As for how Asa might handle Peter/Spidey's more comedic elements, I think he might go for a more sarcastic or snarky approach. He's got a knack for that dry British comedy in real life, as seen in his interview a few years back on Conan. Going back to my previous post in comparing the casting of Michael Keaton as Batman to Asa as Spidey, just because we haven't seen Asa do very much humor before, doesn't necessarily mean he can't do it.

Great Post. I agree, especially with the areas I highlighted. I think we would get a genuine performance from ASA in terms of insecurity and awkwardness. I'm sure some of the actors on the list are quite good, but they seem a bit too cocky and overconfident in real life (especially DOB) that I believe would boil over into their performance. I don't really want another Andrew Garfield.

J.M.O.

 

[DavidW]

Great Post. I agree, especially with the areas I highlighted. I think we would get a genuine performance from ASA in terms of insecurity and awkwardness. I'm sure some of the actors on the list are quite good, but they seem a bit too cocky and overconfident in real life (especially DOB) that I believe would boil over into their performance. I don't really want another Andrew Garfield.

J.M.O.

I respect your opinion but how is Dylan O'Brien cocky and overconfident? Just wondering.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't want to see Maguire's completely introverted Peter Parker again. Yes, he is Shy. Yes, he is reserved. But, there should also be a charm and a wit to him OUT of costume so you believe it when he wise cracks IN costume.

SSM has it right. Peter is shy and reserved but every now and then he will drop an hilarious quip to Flash or will joke with Harry. If there are two completely different personalities in and out of costume this time around then I'm not buying. I reject the 'wish fulfilment' argument to 180 degree personality change in costume.

Also Stan Lee didn't write Peter as social ******, either. Peter often cracked quips during the Ditko run.

 

[C Prometheus]

I don't want to see Maguire's completely introverted Peter Parker again. Yes, he is Shy. Yes, he is reserved. But, there should also be a charm and a wit to him OUT of costume so you believe it when he wise cracks IN costume.

SSM has it right. Peter is shy and reserved but every now and then he will drop an hilarious quip to Flash or will joke with Harry. If there are two completely different personalities in and out of costume this time around then I'm not buying. I reject the 'wish fulfilment' argument to 180 degree personality change in costume.

Also Stan Lee didn't write Peter as social ******, either. Peter often cracked quips during the Ditko run.

I don't think we'd be getting Maguire's take on Peter again with Asa. Part of the problem there was his Peter being overbearingly introverted. Asa would nail those introverted elements, but I don't think that would be the only thing really defining his Peter at all.

It's also not just the character or the actor alone that needs to be considered here; it's also what kind of interactions we'll see Peter having through out the film. I have a very strong suspicion that we'll see Peter's relationship with Mary Jane largely resembling the one they have in USM. If so, we'll probably see Peter opening up more around her earlier on in the film and see him grow more confident overtime during the film/series.

I also don't know why you thought it was necessary to refer to Peter not being a "social ******." No one was saying that he should be. I only mentioned that Asa might channel certain elements from his performance in X+Y to portray Peter. That doesn't automatically mean that he'd play Peter as being autistic or Aspergian.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Im so tired of people repeating "Marvel is trying to keep things fresh, a teen superhero is something new different from the rest"

We already had Sony trying to do things differently than Raimi and they still failed. Different =/= Better

Different doesn't necessarily mean worse, though. Marvel wants a teen superhero because Marvel's idea has always been to have each movie have a different twist on the superhero genre. A teen Spider-Man offers the greatest potential of that because you can throw in some High School drama/coming of age stuff.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't want to see Maguire's completely introverted Peter Parker again. Yes, he is Shy. Yes, he is reserved. But, there should also be a charm and a wit to him OUT of costume so you believe it when he wise cracks IN costume.

SSM has it right. Peter is shy and reserved but every now and then he will drop an hilarious quip to Flash or will joke with Harry. If there are two completely different personalities in and out of costume this time around then I'm not buying. I reject the 'wish fulfilment' argument to 180 degree personality change in costume.

Also Stan Lee didn't write Peter as social ******, either. Peter often cracked quips during the Ditko run.

Well said

 

[Fruit Pastilles]

In the original Ditko run, Peter was condescending as ****, lol. I could see why he was a social outcast, because he was a straight-up ******* to everybody.

 

[spider-neil]

In the original Ditko run, Peter was condescending as ****, lol. I could see why he was a social outcast, because he was a straight-up ******* to everybody.

But there were also some hilarious Flash put downs.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well, to be honest, Airwings and Hellion kinda nailed it...




Asa would be more akin to how Keaton approached Batman; very idiosyncratic. A lot of people were surprised by how dark a Batman Keaton was able to portray, because he was largely known for being a comedian. Interestingly enough, Keaton used a fair amount of his comedic skill in his take on Bruce Wayne, using it to highlight Bruce's struggles in interacting with other people. While I do think we'd see the darker/quieter elements of Asa's acting in his take on Peter, I think he might also surprise people in his comedic elements too. It likely wouldn't be an exact portrayal of Peter, but it'd likely be very well-done and something very interesting to see. More of a risk, but I think there'd be more of a special payoff from it too.

Although Tom is also a very brilliant actor like Asa, I think his take on Spidey would ultimately be considerably "safer." He'd be much warmer in the role, like Kilmer was as Batman. We'd likely get a fair amount of goofiness and charm from his Peter.

That's not a bad thing, mind you. In fact, that's probably why so many fans here are hoping Tom got the role. Personally I'll be happy with either one. They're both very great actors and could nail the role really well.

Admittedly though, as an aspiring filmmaker myself, I'd personally pick Asa as Peter. I think you could have a lot more fun behind-the-scenes working with a slightly more creative interpretation of the character, which I think would probably be what we'd get with Asa in the role.

I don't think you comparing Asa to Keaton's take on Batman is justified. The thing is that it's well known that it's easier for a comedic actor to go down the darker dramatic route than vice versa. Everyone, comedians included, experience angst and serious moments in their life every day, and will have to be serious at times to interact with people. On the other hand, serious people aren't always able to bring out a sense of humour, and it can seem quite forced, especially if they are not used to behaving in this way.

If you were trying to compare Chris Evans as Cap to Keaton's Batman, that would be better, but trying to use it show how Asa (an actor who is only known for his very serious, dramatic roles and is very dry and monotonous in real life) can become a wisecracking comedian doesn't follow at all.

All you've proved, with the Keaton example, is that yet again, comedians can be very good dramatic actors, but not that dramatic actors can be good and natural comedians.

 

[Webhead2006]

My problem with asa us we have so much unknown factors with h8m. Can he do humor can he do it naturally. Can he or would he bulk up in time. Can he play both sides of the role well.

That is why I still feel tom would be a more natural fit. More so with how Kevin has talked about the character. And he probably would fit better with rest of the mcu cast. So I still hope it is him.

 

[theinfernoman]

What do you guys think the chances of getting an announcement tomorrow are?

 

[TheWallCrawler]

What do you guys think the chances of getting an announcement tomorrow are?

As slim as Asa's body

 

[spider greg]

I respect your opinion but how is Dylan O'Brien cocky and overconfident? Just wondering.

Just off the top of my head.

-At a Discussion forum at some Comic Con (I don't know where?) some female fan was asking him a question and before she could finish he was like- "Oh my god you are so hot!"

-Some early discussion panel for the Maze Runner with James Dashner he was making some pretty ridiculous comments.

Don't get me wrong. I think he's a good actor, just not as Peter Parker. Additionally, he doesn't look anything like Peter Parker to me. Obviously, the chosen actor should be able to act, but in terms of looks, Ditko & Romita are the highest of standards that should be met.

But, of course, once again.

J.M.O.

 

[spider greg]

As slim as Asa's body

t:

You never know, he might be hitting the weight bench even as we speak.

 

[ernesth100]

What do you guys think the chances of getting an announcement tomorrow are?

0%, probably not this week. We'll probably get a few more rumors and scoops but I doubt the official announcement is coming this month.

 

[Dark Raven]

t:

You never know, he might be hitting the weight bench even as we speak.

You mean when he tries to lift up a 10 lb dumbell and collapses, hitting the weight bench on the way down? Yes, you never know.

 

[theinfernoman]

I remember people saying "within the next two weeks" four weeks ago.

 

[Webhead2006]

I really hope we get news tomorrow or fri. I still like the news to happen before the holiday.

Greg also us not likely hitting the bench. As we seen in very recent pics. He is still pretty Rail thin.

As for reveal we have to have it soon. Again with actor going to be on set soon. If he is there by first or second week of june. We have to have the reveal any day now.

 

[spider greg]

You mean when he tries to lift up a 10 lb dumbell and collapses, hitting the weight bench on the way down? Yes, you never know.

Not lift. Read my verbatim. I said "HITTING".

In other words, he's kicking its a$$!!!!!!!!