The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

[Excel]

When Obama started his run, Clinton was the hands-on favorite and he was a nobody. She was predicted to win the nomination by nearly every political anal-yst on the planet. Yet he ran a smart campaign and wound up displacing her as the top candidate. If he's able to focus all of his attention on McCain without Hillary interfering, he very well could do the exact same thing and McCain isn't even the odd's on favorite at this point but just a strong contender who may be able to put up a good fight. I think people continually underestimate Obama and his team of campaign advisers, even to this day.

jag

Well I sincerely doubt McCain will pull a Hillary and think he has it in the bag and therefore half-ass your compaign. That said... McCain had a two-month of free time to organize his base and define himself, and he still couldn't break 45% in the national poll. And tonight certainly showed their oratory skills are from two opposite planets. Add in the fund-raising power and the unprecedented enthusiasm he brings, and once Clinton finally comes to her sense and supports Obama in a heartfelt fashion..

Lets just say, the debates between this two should be good

 

[Excel]

And you think the rift within the party is just going to go away because Obama is named the nominee? You are delusional man. It doesn't work like a light switch.

It wont need to, he has 5 months and by then it will.

Umm...I'm not talking about tonight, now am I? They can all cheer now because he won.

Than what is your point? He got a cheer at her speech tonight too

 

[souvlaki]

I get tired of reading about how great and pretty Obama's speeches are

What Obama thread are you reading? The only time I hear his speeches mentioned in this thread (outside of right after he gives a speech, when, y'know, it makes sense to discuss his speeches) is when those of you that dislike Obama mention how a lot of Obama voters are voting for him based solely on his speeches.

 

[Excel]

What Obama thread are you reading? The only time I hear his speeches mentioned in this thread (outside of right after he gives a speech, when, y'know, it makes sense to discuss his speeches) is when those of you that dislike Obama mention how a lot of Obama voters are voting for him based solely on his speeches.

Exactly. Like I said, anti-Obama posts make up 3/4 ths of this thread

 

[Marx]

It wont need to, he has 5 months and by then it will.

Than what is your point? He got a cheer at her speech tonight too

As I said, divisions are deep. It's not going to go away overnight or because Obama tries to sweet talk Clinton supporters.

 

[jaguarr]

Well I sincerely doubt McCain will pull a Hillary and think he has it in the bag and therefore half-ass your compaign. That said... McCain had a two-month of free time to organize his base and define himself, and he still couldn't break 45% in the national poll. And tonight certainly showed their oratory skills are from two opposite planets. Add in the fund-raising power and the unprecedented enthusiasm he brings, and once Clinton finally comes to her sense and supports Obama in a heartfelt fashion..

Lets just say, the debates between this two should be good

McCain used his two month lead on the Dems to drive around the country in a bus and talk to people about his life. I don't think it's going to take too much political maneuvering to capitalize on a guy that campaigns like that, personally.

jag

 

[Marx]

What Obama thread are you reading? The only time I hear his speeches mentioned in this thread (outside of right after he gives a speech, when, y'know, it makes sense to discuss his speeches) is when those of you that dislike Obama mention how a lot of Obama voters are voting for him based solely on his speeches.

I didn't say I was referring to this thread. I said that I have grown tired of reading about how pretty his speeches are, like that is supposed to make up for everything else.

 

[jaguarr]

Obama's speeches are very pretty.

jag

 

[Marx]

You all need to be watching After Hours on MSNBC. They're now discussing exactly what I have been saying. There are some Obama supporters who look at a Clinton VP through the prism of how much they don't like her instead of looking at whether it would help the party win or not.

AMEN!

 

[Excel]

McCain used his two month lead on the Dems to drive around the country in a bus and talk to people about his life. I don't think it's going to take too much political maneuvering to capitalize on a guy that campaigns like that, personally.

jag

Word

I mean just listen to him...energy? Enthusiasm? Non existent.




As I said, the oratory skills couldnt be more different...the debates could be very harsh for McCain.

 

[souvlaki]

I didn't say I was referring to this thread. I said that I have grown tired of reading about how pretty his speeches are, like that is supposed to make up for everything else.

I don't think any intelligent Obama supporter would make say that his speeches make up for any of what you perceive to be his faults. People say he gives a good speech, and he's a good speaker, because guess what, he gives a good speech, and he's a good speaker. Why is it so bad to acknowledge one of his obvious strengths? That doesn't mean people should vote for him simply because he gives a good stump speech, but I don't see why it should annoy you so much when it's obviously a strength for him, especially when comparing him to the competition in this race, or with the guy living in the White House now.

 

[Excel]

The good speaker argument is SO old...that worked a year ago. At this point, I think hes proven people see a bit of substance behind him.

 

[Marx]

I'm obviously banging my head against a wall here. You guys enjoy your victory, just know that Obama still has a tremendous amount of work to do. He has to unite this party, and any attempt he has made thus far to do that has failed.

Hillary Clinton has had a slim chance of winning for weeks now and she won four primaries in a row, and by rather large margins. He still has huge problems...and those problems aren't going to go away just because he won the nomination.

 

[Excel]

Your not the only one banging their heads. Just because Clinton was morepopular than Obama with certain demographics doesnt mean McCain is too

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Sorry I'm late in chiming in here; it's been an eventful day to say the least.

Well, history has definitely been made; his speech tonight was powerful indeed. But to me, only more questions have been raised. Clinton is simply NOT going to go away. And many of her supporters are rabid. I wouldn't be surprised if he invites her to join him on the ticket. The question is, what will that do to his image?

 

[Excel]

My big beef with Hill on the ticket is she''d take away too much attention for Obama. I dont think this should look like a co Presidency. The fact that its public that she wants it will only put presure on him to pick her and make him look bad to her supporters (who hes trying to win) if he doesnt.

She should do us all a favor and say she doesnt want it like Obama did months ago as did Edwards but...thats Hillary for you.

 

[Knives]

Good to see Hillary's endless crass continues as she makes tonight all about HER, and still tried to diminish Obama's victory. Whatever, I am BEYOND Hillary at this point. She can ****ing vanish for all I care. If he DOES choose her as VP, i honestly dont care. If it helps him win, go for it, if it doesnt, then she can vanish. At this point, i am just changing the channel whenever she comes on, even if it is as a VP. Now onward to the general election! I look foward to voting for and supporting Obama against old yeller.

 

[souvlaki]

Hillary Clinton has had a slim chance of winning for weeks now and she won four primaries in a row, and by rather large margins. He still has huge problems...and those problems aren't going to go away just because he won the nomination.

I voted for Edwards in 2004 long after he was pretty much written off as being viable. I still voted for Kerry. A primary vote for Clinton doesn't mean you are unwilling to vote for the opponent just because you are voting against the presumptive nominee, it just means that you prefer one candidate over another. I still think the number of people saying they will vote for McCain in November if Obama is the nominee is drastically exaggerated. Polls, especially exit polls, have been horrible this whole election. Why should I believe exit polls suggesting this is right, when every other portion of those exit polls this whole election have been completely useless, and inaccurate? Especially five months away from the election? There are certainly some die-hard Clinton supporters that will refuse to vote for Obama in November, don't get me wrong. But I think they are very much a vocal minority, same as how the Obama-maniacs as you call them are a vocal minority on Obama's side. It's certainly not 50% of the party. I'd be hard pressed to say it's even 5% of the people that actually intended to vote for a Democrat in November.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I voted for Edwards in 2004 long after he was pretty much written off as being viable. I still voted for Kerry. A primary vote for Clinton doesn't mean you are unwilling to vote for the opponent just because you are voting against the presumptive nominee, it just means that you prefer one candidate over another. I still think the number of people saying they will vote for McCain in November if Obama is the nominee is drastically exaggerated. Polls, especially exit polls, have been horrible this whole election. Why should I believe exit polls suggesting this is right, when every other portion of those exit polls this whole election have been completely useless, and inaccurate? Especially five months away from the election? There are certainly some die-hard Clinton supporters that will refuse to vote for Obama in November, don't get me wrong. But I think they are very much a vocal minority, same as how the Obama-maniacs as you call them are a vocal minority on Obama's side. It's certainly not 50% of the party.

I agree with this to an extent, but I must say however that much of people's attitudes will be influenced by what Hillary says and does over the next few days. I hate to say it, but many people do not think for themselves; they are sheep. And they follow the leader. Hillary is no sheep--she's extremely intelligent and knows how to manipulate people and events to her own personal interests. And right now, her personal interests appear to be No. 1 on her priority list--not those of the Democratic party.

Look at how the Republicans rallied around McCain after Mitt Romney gracefully bowed out for the sake of HIS party's unification. Why can't Hillary simply just do the math and bow out gracefully too? She has thrown the kitchen sink at Obama and he still came out on top. Yet she won't let go.

And truth be told, her supporters won't let go until she does.

 

[souvlaki]

Also, not to point out the obvious, but Huckabee won two contests even AFTER McCain passed the threshold required to clench the Republican nomination. Even tonight Huckabee still got a decent portion of votes despite the fact that he's been out of the race for months now.

 

[Varient]

... mild surprise.

 

[kainedamo]

Go on Obama!! YEAH!

 

[Armand Z Trip]

Go Obama Go!!

 

[Tron5000]

Go Obama Go!!

Yes. Go, Obama. Go far, far away.

Sorry, but I'm not excited about someone who is seeks to institute a trillion dollars in social programs (wealth-transfer schemes). Not excited about someone who says he will meet with leaders of terrorist nations (that are currently killing our troops) without preconditions. Not excited about someone who wants to surrender in Iraq by pulling our forces before we finish the job and the Iraqi government and military are self sustaining. Not excited about who declares one day that "Iran is not a serious threat" and says the next day that "I have always said the threat from Iran is grave." Not excited about someone who thinks Iran is just a "tiny country" (producing big weapons) so we shouldn't be concerned with them.

Not excited about someone whose background, influences and policy ideals point to Socialism. We've fought wars against Socialism in this world, and now we're considering electing someone who seeks to make America a Socialist state? Unbelievable.

 

[kainedamo]

Tron5000, did you see this post?

LMFAO! OMG!

Newsflash: New York Attacked by Martians!



You're using OLD "evidence" that has been debunked by the Pentagon! There is NO link and to say so truly shows how little you know of the region and how easily manipulated you are to propaganda.

Since you're a right-winger...from FoxNews.



Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/103/story/30172.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/
http://www.retroland.com/retrotalk/viewtopic.php?p=207797
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88226425

So, if the Pentagon, the Defense Dept., says there is NO link, which most of us suspected before this bloody atrocious war, who the hell are you to claim that the link was there?

I mean seriously, you linked a news report from 2003, as evidence to support your ludicrous claim, when the Bush administration was beating the drums of war non-stop. Please don't tell me you're that pathetic.