Comics The OFFICAL: Xavier/mutant protocols thread

[javon]

to RSS.^Good with the "leaving the subject now" thing. I wish that boy Heculen can do it. And Optic Rage. And Cyclops.

Originally posted by Intheknow101
Storm- she still has a human body. decapitation, a bullet, a knife wound, any of these.

I'm not making this into a versus thread, but I doubt a knife or a bullet would be easy to get to Angel and Storm.

 

[Exploding Boy]

I wonder if Vulcan[since he can control all forms of energy] could manipulate other mutants energy. For example manipulate Chamber's energy and rip it out of his body.

 

[RSS]

Iceman- main weakness is his mind. Without his mind, he won't be able to function. If you attack him physically he'll just reform. Unless perhaps a strong enough telekinetic can prevent him from reforming by holding the water molecules apart or containing them.

But how can you attak his mind when he has no brain? We're still trying to overcome the difficulty of where his conscious is, seeing as the the brain is the medium for the mind...

Vulcan- probably the same as above

Nope. The guy can manipulate all forms of energy, that also includes psychic energy.

EDIT - Exploding Boy, Vulcan did manipulate Scott's optic blasts - which are Scott's energy, so I think it's safe to assume that he can do that.

 

[Exploding Boy]

But how can you attak his mind when he has no brain? We're still trying to overcome the difficulty of where his conscious is, seeing as the the brain is the medium for the mind...



Nope. The guy can manipulate all forms of energy, that also includes psychic energy.

EDIT - Exploding Boy, Vulcan did manipulate Scott's optic blasts - which are Scott's energy, so I think it's safe to assume that he can do that.

Thanks RSS, waiting for the TP to get DG, I've just read stuff about it here. Vulcan...how the hell would you kill him?!?

 

[Intheknow101]

But how can you attak his mind when he has no brain? We're still trying to overcome the difficulty of where his conscious is, seeing as the the brain is the medium for the mind...



Nope. The guy can manipulate all forms of energy, that also includes psychic energy.

EDIT - Exploding Boy, Vulcan did manipulate Scott's optic blasts - which are Scott's energy, so I think it's safe to assume that he can do that.

The thing with telepaths is that enemies don't have to have a physical brain for them to effect with psionic energy. All is needed is thought or a mind. It explains such things as astral battle where telepaths fight against eachother using psionic energy on their astral forms/mind/conciousness while not targeting eachother's physical brains, but the conciousess. Emma has showed this since she manipulated Iceman's thoughts while he was fully iced up. And how telepaths can survive as psionic energy without the need for a physical brain. One example I can think of is Shadowking.

Rachel was able to hurt him using telepathy right? Although Vulcan could use his power to manipulate that energy, would he have more control than an actual telepath? And I doubt he could do the nuances of telepathy like mind linking, astral travel, etc since he had to use Rachel to do it in Deadly Genesis.

 

[Intheknow101]

to RSS.^Good with the "leaving the subject now" thing. I wish that boy Heculen can do it. And Optic Rage. And Cyclops.

I'm not making this into a versus thread, but I doubt a knife or a bullet would be easy to get to Angel and Storm.

It worked here. Now if that was a bullet instead of a wimp energy gun, it would have done much more than a graze on the skin.

 

[RSS]

I agree with you on the Iceman thing, I guess TP would work even if the target doesn't have a brain.

And I just checked DG again, and Rachel didn't attack him. The only time she used her powers on him was when she released Darwin, and that was because he let her(he wasn't protecting himself). He wouldn't have to manipulate the psychic energy in any unique manner, all he has to do is be able to make it not reach him. I can't see how he can be killed(which must explain why his Uncanny story arc is gonna be 12 issues long ).

 

[Intheknow101]

I agree with you on the Iceman thing, I guess TP would work even if the target doesn't have a brain.

And I just checked DG again, and Rachel didn't attack him. The only time she used her powers on him was when she released Darwin, and that was because he let her(he wasn't protecting himself). He wouldn't have to manipulate the psychic energy in any unique manner, all he has to do is be able to make it not reach him. I can't see how he can be killed(which must explain why his Uncanny story arc is gonna be 12 issues long ).

Ah ok. I thought she tried reading his mind at one point. Anyways, we know so little about Vulcan that it's hard to tell what his weaknesses are.

Here are my conjectures...if he is a straight up energy manipulator, wouldn't the easiest way to beat him is to provide him with no energy to manipulate. Someone with just brute physical strength or really good fighting skills? Even a human fighter.
I mean we can have him face off with another energy manipulator...say both him and Cyclops having a duel to control the optic blasts, and just have someone go up and beat him up physically while he's focusing on that.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Can Vulcan generate his own energy?

 

[RSS]

Ah ok. I thought she tried reading his mind at one point. Anyways, we know so little about Vulcan that it's hard to tell what his weaknesses are.

Here are my conjectures...if he is a straight up energy manipulator, wouldn't the easiest way to beat him is to provide him with no energy to manipulate. Someone with just brute physical strength or really good fighting skills? Even a human fighter.
I mean we can have him face off with another energy manipulator...say both him and Cyclops having a duel to control the optic blasts, and just have someone go up and beat him up physically while he's focusing on that.

When you punch someone, you're releasing kinetic energy even before the fist makes contact That's what sucks about Vulcan, he can manipulate all energy, there's nothing you can really do to him.

And yes, Exploding boy, he can generate his own energy(but we don't know what kind of energy).

 

[Intheknow101]

When you punch someone, you're releasing kinetic energy even before the fist makes contact That's what sucks about Vulcan, he can manipulate all energy, there's nothing you can really do to him.

And yes, Exploding boy, he can generate his own energy(but we don't know what kind of energy).

Well he was overpowered physically by Karkoa when he was swallowed and left for dead. And he was 'dead' until the mutant energies during House of M revived/restored him.

 

[D-scythe]

Guys, I doubt D-Scythe was actually serious...

For the record, I wasn't.

When you punch someone, you're releasing kinetic energy even before the fist makes contact That's what sucks about Vulcan, he can manipulate all energy, there's nothing you can really do to him.

Um, physics 101 here. So long as your fist is accelerating, you are MAKING kinetic energy, not releasing it. Well, technically, you can't "make" energy, but yeah.

 

[Manic]

Elixir- ditto for Storm

Angel- a bullet, decapitation, knife wound

I doubt a knife wound would kill either of those two. Elixir would probably just mend the wound, and Angel would mend it the moment he started to bleed. A bullet might work, but only if they're shot in the head. A bullet through, say, the torso that passes right through them won't do any permanent damage.

 

[Harlekin]

to RSS.^Good with the "leaving the subject now" thing. I wish that boy Heculen can do it. And Optic Rage. And Cyclops.

Harlekin. H-A-R-L-E-K-I-N.

Anyway, how to kill Vulcan? He's an energy manipulator, so that rules out a lot of weaponry on him. You'd have to surprise him and lop his head off I guess.

 

[masterj]

What about lethal gas and I don't mean Peter Griffin style?

 

[rabidfanboy]

Favorite character Jean Grey. Best way to off her...write Rachel back into the comics.

 

[javon]

For the record, I wasn't.



Um, physics 101 here. So long as your fist is accelerating, you are MAKING kinetic energy, not releasing it. Well, technically, you can't "make" energy, but yeah.

Actually physiscs says that energy cannot be created nor destoyed. But I guess thats a little different in the marvel universe is it?

 

[javon]

It worked here. Now if that was a bullet instead of a wimp energy gun, it would have done much more than a graze on the skin.

That looks more like a gun to me. And why didn't she use wind or anything?

 

[masterj]

to RSS.^Good with the "leaving the subject now" thing. I wish that boy Heculen can do it. And Optic Rage. And Cyclops.

I'm not making this into a versus thread, but I doubt a knife or a bullet would be easy to get to Angel and Storm.

Storm was actually knifed in Xtreme- X-men 14 by Jalene, one of Khan's hoes. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=865

 

[javon]

^OUCH! That outta hurt.

 

[masterj]

Well considering you made an X-treme X-men thread I thought you woulda known.

 

[javon]

I didn't read X-treme that much. I just felt like making a thread about it since knobody else did.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Harlekin. H-A-R-L-E-K-I-N.

Anyway, how to kill Vulcan? He's an energy manipulator, so that rules out a lot of weaponry on him. You'd have to surprise him and lop his head off I guess.

As long as he's not a shell like Chamber, and becomes a living energy source himself.... Wouldn't that be ironic.

 

[Intheknow101]

I doubt a knife wound would kill either of those two. Elixir would probably just mend the wound, and Angel would mend it the moment he started to bleed. A bullet might work, but only if they're shot in the head. A bullet through, say, the torso that passes right through them won't do any permanent damage.

Depends on the knife wound probably. A huge knife through the heart or head would certainly do it.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

So is it safe to say that a lot of Marvel characters can be killed through some of the most conventional methods (i.e., guns, poisons, knives, radiation, massive amounts of explosives, etc.)?

I find it hard to believe that most Marvel characters can be killed off so easily. But setting aside physics 101, and percieving it as Marvel's reality, the methods mentioned above used on the human physiology of some of these characters would seem plausible. I've just never seen any situation or story arc that would warrant the use of these weapons. The only time we see them used is on either Colossus or Wolverine... And even then, it's rarely used, except in the ultimate universe. What do you think?