The Official Batman Returns Thread

[GothamAlleys]

Yeah, that happened in her first suggested origin from Batman #62 (1950). But what other comics did it happen in???

It happened few times, the one that I can pinpoint is Batman #35 if Im not mistaken

 

[ALP]

And again, if anyone's trying to judge this movie by the standards of the "regular" movies that hes missing the point. Batman Returns, like most of Tim Burton's early movies, does not comply to the rules of logic and technical accuracy - nor does it need to, nor did it ever claimed to do. It's a ethereal and expressionistic tale, its just not that type of a story

The only true answer that needs to be stated

 

[Cain]

I loved Max Schreck, such an unapologetic bastard.

 

[returntovoid]

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[returntovoid]

Which Batman comic from the 40's is that panel from???

 

[GothamAlleys]

Which Batman comic from the 40's is that panel from???

Batman #7

 

[HistoryChief]

Hi everyone, I'm a writer for Spectrum Culture. One of our writers recently wrote a piece about the film Batman Returns, which I think users of this forum would enjoy reading and hopefully commenting on. It's meant to be a humorous, slightly irreverant but also well-informed retrospective on the film.

All comments are welcome.

As this post is entirely Batman-related and hopefully will prompt discussion on this forum, I hope the admins will allow it.

Thanks for your consideration.

http://spectrumculture.com/2011/01/wtf-batman-returns.html

 

[ALP]

Hi everyone, I'm a writer for Spectrum Culture. One of our writers recently wrote a piece about the film Batman Returns, which I think users of this forum would enjoy reading and hopefully commenting on. It's meant to be a humorous, slightly irreverant but also well-informed retrospective on the film.

All comments are welcome.

As this post is entirely Batman-related and hopefully will prompt discussion on this forum, I hope the admins will allow it.

Thanks for your consideration.

http://spectrumculture.com/2011/01/wtf-batman-returns.html

All I can say is that I hope you don't get paid for writing that mind numbing dribble. You name drop Takashi Miike yet also refer to Batman Returns as "delirious out of whack, weird beyond belief." Which is it? You either know what real twisted cinema is or you're ignorant and think Batman Returns is as strange as films get.

The internet just proves that anyone can write a poorly executed excuse of an article on a blog and call themselves a journalist. lol Don't quite your day job.

 

[El Payaso]

Hi everyone, I'm a writer for Spectrum Culture. One of our writers recently wrote a piece about the film Batman Returns, which I think users of this forum would enjoy reading and hopefully commenting on. It's meant to be a humorous, slightly irreverant but also well-informed retrospective on the film.

All comments are welcome.

As this post is entirely Batman-related and hopefully will prompt discussion on this forum, I hope the admins will allow it.

Thanks for your consideration.

http://spectrumculture.com/2011/01/wtf-batman-returns.html

Poor review - aka gratuitously sarcastic review with the only purpose of getting a few cheap laughs - with an even poorer vocabulary. Remember that if you want your reviews to be taken seriously you must avoid to repeat the word "s*itty" so much.

 

[Ponyboy]

Hi everyone, I'm a writer for Spectrum Culture. One of our writers recently wrote a piece about the film Batman Returns, which I think users of this forum would enjoy reading and hopefully commenting on. It's meant to be a humorous, slightly irreverant but also well-informed retrospective on the film.

All comments are welcome.

As this post is entirely Batman-related and hopefully will prompt discussion on this forum, I hope the admins will allow it.

Thanks for your consideration.

http://spectrumculture.com/2011/01/wtf-batman-returns.html

I wouldn't say it's well informed at all. While delightfully sarcastic... it certainly wasn't funny... Batman Returns is what it is. A review like this, 20 years later, seems just as out of place as the writers sloppy choice of wording.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Explaining Penguin alone makes me want to facepalm:

A new born baby from a rich family, because his parents saw him scary looking they caged him one day old
The baby could sit, reach his hand out of the cage bars to grab a cat, and who knows what he really did to it
Found in the sewers by penguins (what were they doing there?)
A circus finds him and lets him join them, but the penguins are still in the sewers. At least we get an insight on how Oswald learns to talk, let alone to read, I would refuse to believe penguins teach a human how to speak
What was his source of nutrition? He could have died in the sewers just one month old
Years after he was born, he went back to the sewers and the penguins are still there
How the heck did he trace whatever he found in the sewers back to its original source (Max Schreck)? He could have collected them from many places, how the heck does he know of the name of the dead partner of Schreck?
Where did all of his clothes come from?
How the heck did he get all his gadgets and thugs unseen in the sewers? And who would take orders from a fat smelly old....bird?
How does the city take a guy they only knew for so little as their leader?
How the heck did his minions know how to fix the bat-Mobile, let alone how to open the shield, without having any way to tamper with it beforehand?
Is that broad so stupid she can't recognize the talents scouts are the city mayor and another person? Good for her she's dead

This story is full of fail

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

By that logic... Explain Edward Scissorhands. I mean, come on, this is a Burton movie.

Batman Returns is a fable... a fairy tale... a gothic opera... and its beautiful because of it.


Its simply one artists take on the Batman mythology... I personally cant stand what Frank Miller does to the Batman characters (The Dark Knight Returns included) but its still only one persons very valid interpretation.

 

[GothamAlleys]

By that logic... Explain Edward Scissorhands. I mean, come on, this is a Burton movie.

Batman Returns is a fable... a fairy tale... a gothic opera... and its beautiful because of it.


Its simply one artists take on the Batman mythology... I personally cant stand what Frank Miller does to the Batman characters (The Dark Knight Returns included) but its still only one persons very valid interpretation.

Exactly, again as I mentioned in another thread, people who look for such realty and paralells to real life in classic Burton movies are completely missing the point. Especially in the case on Edward Scissorhands and Returns which are both for a fact confirmed (by Burton, by filmmakers and by Expresisonist circles) to be an Expressionist tale. Once again, to explain what does that mean in a pill:

Expressionism is a mode of representation whereby internal feelings and abstract concepts are displayed externally, often at the expense of realism and artistic convention. Expressionist art usually has a surreal or fantastic quality to it, presenting distorted aesthetics through which the true nature of a thing is belied in its external countenance (Catwoman's patchy suit - Selina's patchy and fragmented personality, Batman's suit - his inner darkness and psychosis, the look and design of Gotham with the statues in cry and despair - the dark and evil nature of the city, Selina's apartment in worn out pink - her sad and tired character etc). In narrative terms, Expressionist films were often preoccupied with dark subject matter such as evil and madness (Keaton's Batman and Catwoman = madness, Penguin-evil). The Penguin's home in a cathedral-like cave is furnished with elegantly curved Gothic arches and dark vaults

Batman Returns, like most of Tim Burton's early movies, does not comply to the rules of logic and technical accuracy - nor does it need to, nor did it ever claimed to do. It's a ethereal and expressionistic tale. Just like Edward Scissorhands, it follows a classic dark fairy tale formula mixed with modern storytelling and Burton's surreal, gloomy and artistic vision

More here for those who are interested and missed it - http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2010/09/nightmare-that-tastes-like-candy-was.html

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah, I've read a few articles on the inherent expressionism in Batman Returns... and as a film studies student, it made me appreciate the film so much more than I already did.

It's powerful stuff... and allows it to be the most artistic and therefore fascinating Batman movie that has been made.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

By that logic... Explain Edward Scissorhands. I mean, come on, this is a Burton movie.

Batman Returns is a fable... a fairy tale... a gothic opera... and its beautiful because of it.


Its simply one artists take on the Batman mythology... I personally cant stand what Frank Miller does to the Batman characters (The Dark Knight Returns included) but its still only one persons very valid interpretation.

I like the movie as it is, and I enjoy Edward Scissorhands

 

[theman]

batman was a badass in batman returns. i just watched this on bluray the other night on my 50" HDTV. looks amazing in HD let me tell you. bluray made me appreciate this film more, the look of it is like wow. i love the blue and black colors, those were always batman colors to me. catwoman...isnt that like pfieffers best role? ive seen her in many movies since then but this is by far her most complex role and memorable role. i liked her also in fabulous baker boys but this was a real challenge.

batman returns was way ahead of its time, simply put. look at batman movies today with nolan and how popular they are. yes they are realistic, but they also got that dark tone again which hasnt been seen since Returns came out. TDK wasnt as dark as Returns, but it was close, and it had some quite disturbing scenes like joker holding that guy hostage in the meathouse and just the way he was reminded me of the grotesqueness of devito's penguin. both ledger and devito took that comic character and turned it on its head and did something totally different. jack to me though is still the best joker overall, but ledger's version was certainly different from what we know from the movies and comics.

back to topic though, the new films have dark creepy scenes and stuff and the thing is, tim burton did this way before nolan did (better even, to me at least). Returns is defiently the more artistic and emotional of all the films, which maybe is why its not quite as popular as B89. all the characters are messed up bigtime, all of them are tragic in some way, and noone really wins in the end, even batman. that harkens back to the 40's film noirs exactly, where main characters would die and noone in the end wins. batman in this one did NOT get the girl, and the bad guys kinda defeat themselves. i would like to know though how the bats just appeared from the batboat after penguin pressed the button.

 

[returntovoid]

I think Max Shrek is a very relevant villain for the modern world because he represents the evil that is hidden in society. He has this public facade of respected business tycoon but behind that something sinister lurks.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

 

[Ponyboy]

interesting reading about Batman Returns...

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Batman_Returns

 

[The Joker]

The Penguin's arsenal of umbrellas were the best ever.

 

[Ancracks]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but this is a badass review:

http://366weirdmovies.com/batman-returns-1992-a-superhero-burlesque

 

[Ponyboy]

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[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

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Ahh Michael Keaton...

Definitely better in the movie though.

 

[Ponyboy]

Yeah! Great to see extra footage like that... since there seems to be none. Or WB & Burton have kept a tight lid on it over the years..?

 

[Smalley]

Yeah! Great to see extra footage like that... since there seems to be none. Or WB & Burton have kept a tight lid on it over the years..?

In one of the docs on the special features disc of the 2-disc Returns set, you see a cut moment after Selina shocks the clown where she says "electro-shock therapy... what a bargain". Also, in one of the international trailers, you get to see Catwoman laughing laying on The Penguin's bed...