The Official Batman Returns Thread

[Two-Face]

Maybe he means Penguin's circus freaks can raise their families in Gotham, I don't know.

 

[Bat Attack]

Maybe he means Penguin's circus freaks can raise their families in Gotham, I don't know.

 

[Travesty]

Okay, so I was watching Batman Returns the other night and something struck me. When Max Shreck goes to see the Penguin right before he reveals the Campaign office he says "Your extended family...could have a family". What does he mean by that?

I'm not to sure, as I haven't watched the movie in awhile, but is that when he's talking about reclaiming Penguins birthrights?

 

[union_jak]

Okay, so I was watching Batman Returns the other night and something struck me. When Max Shreck goes to see the Penguin right before he reveals the Campaign office he says "Your extended family...could have a family". What does he mean by that?

He says "Your extended family...? Good to have a family."

 

[El Payaso]

He says "Your extended family...? Good to have a family."

That is what I have always heard.

 

[The Joker]

Ditto. I thought it was a bit of sarcastic wit on Max's part there.

 

[Bat Attack]

Ahhhhhh, wow. I've been hearing it wrong all these years hahaha.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Couldnt you all just check subtitles? idiots,lol.

 

[Bat Attack]

Couldnt you all just check subtitles? idiots,lol.

Yes, but that never came to mind. Pssh.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah just saw it again on tv the other day, I kinda realized that while Keatons performance as Bruce Wayne is pretty far from his comic counterpart it works.

What do you guys think of the idea of a neurotic kind of stumbling Bruce Wayne?

also is it just me or is Batman returns on tv so much more than batman is? i mean like for as long as I can remember. Strange seeing as Batman was more financially succesful.

 

[El Payaso]

What do you guys think of the idea of a neurotic kind of stumbling Bruce Wayne?

I think it's the kind of person a traumatized child who becomes obssessed with revenge would grow into.

Love that vision of him.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah its a different spin one that is pretty believable. The comic and the nolan bruce wayne puts up the fascade of this cocky care free playboy as a disguise in that nobody woulod suspect this guy to be a hero.

But with the burton Wayne its almost as if this guy is so unasumming and i guess kind of neurotic that you would probably equally have a hard time picturing him as a great hero.

 

[Bat Attack]

Yeah just saw it again on tv the other day, I kinda realized that while Keatons performance as Bruce Wayne is pretty far from his comic counterpart it works.

What do you guys think of the idea of a neurotic kind of stumbling Bruce Wayne?

also is it just me or is Batman returns on tv so much more than batman is? i mean like for as long as I can remember. Strange seeing as Batman was more financially succesful.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. I can't bare to watch it on television though, it's always hacked to hell by the networks. Same goes for Batman (1989). The only channel so far to do the films justice is TCM; but it's almost never on that channel anymore. I'll stick with the Blu-rays.

 

[panda_eater]

sorry double post

 

[panda_eater]

My Batman Returns review...

Tim Burton's "The Penguin" (1992)

Batman Returns is widely considered by critics, the AFI institute and Roger Ebert as the greatest film of all time beating out Unforgiven for Best Picture at the 1992 academy awards and earning Tim Burton and Danny De Vito oscars for directing and acting. It's definetely my favorite film.

De Vito completely immerses himself into his role as the Penguin and was the inspiration for Heath Ledger's own amazing immersion into the role of the Joker 16 years later.

Returns isn't really a batman film at all... "Tim Burton's The Penguin" would have been a more fitting title. Strangely Michelle Pheiffer isn't really hot even in catwoman's skintight leather outfit. I think Angelina Jolie would play a hotter catwoman in the next Christopher Nolan Batman.

Batman Returns is my life. I've seen the film probably hundreds, maybe over a thousand times. And I watch it every morning smokin' my $4 Gold Coasts and sippin' my $2 Rocking Chair. I even talk about the film every week with my counselor for an hour. She's drop dead goregeous and she's beeen encouraging me to develop social and life skills at a social rehabilitation center. **** her. I'll stick with Tim Burton's masterpiece.


Danny Elfman's haunting score is beautiful and sublime. When I first watched the opening credits at a sold out theater and the music gently built up and reached a crescendo when the film's title came onscreen it was the single greatest moment of my life.

Eighteen years later the film still lives in my heart and soul and if I ever have a child I will name him Oswald. Sometimes I struggle with suicide so that I can finally arrive at the steps of the Penguin's lair and bathe in the chilly raw sewage with his majestic emperor penguins.

more articles and reviews at http://nyquil-addict-reviews.webs.com/

 

[El Payaso]

You're too much into nyquil.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think it's the kind of person a traumatized child who becomes obssessed with revenge would grow into.

Love that vision of him.

Me too. And the confusion as well. In some scenes you can literally see him wondering who he really is. When he's not being Batman he doesn't know what his purpose is in life. He's still that lost little boy who's parents have gone and he doesn't know what to do.

As Kim Newman says on the Returns DVD, when watching the scene of Bruce sitting in Wayne Manor in darkness until the Batsignal lights up; it's like he has no purpose whatsoever in life, he's just sitting their waiting.

 

[returntovoid]

I kinda realized that while Keatons performance as Bruce Wayne is pretty far from his comic counterpart

I liked this change they made in the Tim Burton films and BTAS.

What do you guys think of the idea of a neurotic kind of stumbling Bruce Wayne?

I prefer this version of Bruce Wayne as opposed to the obnoxious playboy.

If I were Batman, I would keep the Bruce Wayne persona as this obsessed/brooding/awkward businessman.

In some scenes you can literally see him wondering who he really is.

The perfect example is when in Batman 89, Vicki Vale asks him who/where is Bruce Wayne and he responds that he does not know or points somewhere else (can't remember the exact response). It's as if he does not know that he is Bruce Wayne for a minute.

The other example would be in Batman Returns when he said "mistook me for someone else" (self explanatory).

 

[The Joker]

My Batman Returns review...

Tim Burton's "The Penguin" (1992)

Batman Returns is widely considered by critics, the AFI institute and Roger Ebert as the greatest film of all time beating out Unforgiven for Best Picture at the 1992 academy awards and earning Tim Burton and Danny De Vito oscars for directing and acting. It's definetely my favorite film.

De Vito completely immerses himself into his role as the Penguin and was the inspiration for Heath Ledger's own amazing immersion into the role of the Joker 16 years later.

Returns isn't really a batman film at all... "Tim Burton's The Penguin" would have been a more fitting title. Strangely Michelle Pheiffer isn't really hot even in catwoman's skintight leather outfit. I think Angelina Jolie would play a hotter catwoman in the next Christopher Nolan Batman.

Batman Returns is my life. I've seen the film probably hundreds, maybe over a thousand times. And I watch it every morning smokin' my $4 Gold Coasts and sippin' my $2 Rocking Chair. I even talk about the film every week with my counselor for an hour. She's drop dead goregeous and she's beeen encouraging me to develop social and life skills at a social rehabilitation center. **** her. I'll stick with Tim Burton's masterpiece.


Danny Elfman's haunting score is beautiful and sublime. When I first watched the opening credits at a sold out theater and the music gently built up and reached a crescendo when the film's title came onscreen it was the single greatest moment of my life.

Eighteen years later the film still lives in my heart and soul and if I ever have a child I will name him Oswald. Sometimes I struggle with suicide so that I can finally arrive at the steps of the Penguin's lair and bathe in the chilly raw sewage with his majestic emperor penguins.

more articles and reviews at http://nyquil-addict-reviews.webs.com/

I'm not sure if you're insulting or complimenting the movie with this review. Tim Burton's "The Penguin"?

 

[Brother Jack]

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If I were Batman, I would keep the Bruce Wayne persona as this obsessed/brooding/awkward businessman.

Right, so that it would be more obvious that Bruce Wayne is Batman. And Bale's cocky playboy Bruce is just a facade, the real Wayne is just as brooding.

 

[Travesty]

Right, so that it would be more obvious that Bruce Wayne is Batman. And Bale's cocky playboy Bruce is just a facade, the real Wayne is just as brooding.

Hehe, it's just a fictional characters persona, either way. I mean, Clark Kent's only disguise, is his pair of glasses, and nobody is the wiser. He just likes that Bruce Wayne more, nothing wrong there, IMO.

 

[The Joker]

Right, so that it would be more obvious that Bruce Wayne is Batman. And Bale's cocky playboy Bruce is just a facade, the real Wayne is just as brooding.

Exactly

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I love that Bruce Wayne, just like Batman, can be interpreted a number of ways. I adore Michael Keaton's Bruce, I find him fascinating. It's almost the less we know about him, the more intresting he is. Whereas Kilmer's Bruce is more open and emotional, and public, and has more clarity about what being Batman has done to him. I love that as well.

Clooney's Bruce Wayne is just a charming playboy. Adam West, for me, is the perfect Bruce from the comics, as he is as smooth and dapper and charismatic as only a 60's screen star can be (he was approached about playing James Bond) - but Batman is always at the forefront of his mind. He is he epitamy of cool one second, and racing off to the Batcave the next. Clooney never gave such an impression.

Bale, of course, is the most practical and logical of the Bruces. He does the playboy facade as exactly that - a facade. Little touches like poring away champagne out of sight of guests are wonderful. I think there is still a lot to be explored in Bale's Batman being more than a tool to fight crime - as Rachel said, Batman is his true face. In Nolan's films, Bruce is three characters - the public playboy Bruce, Batman, and the real Bruce that only Alfred and Rachel get to see.

 

[returntovoid]

This last scene in Batman Returns really demonstrated Batman/Bruce Wayne's loneliness, he's really emotionally scarred and spending Christmas in misery. Then sees a shadow running by (hint at Catwoman being alive) and then picks up a black cat in a alley, I think that's symbolizing his bad luck/curse with relationships. The shot of the Batsignal, showing of Catwoman actually being alive and the main theme playing keeps you really excited for how Tim Burton's third Batman film might be but sadly due to annoying conservative groups, we were not able see Burton tie the loose ends of the Batman/Catwoman sub-plot, redemption of Batman, give the happy ending and finishing the trilogy that never was, perfectly.

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[returntovoid]

I just read Detective Comics #36, the way Batman gets framed due the gunman of Hugo Strange shooting someone to death and running away then Batman talks to the dying person then the police arrive and they think Batman murdered him. This framing seemed similar to how it happened in Batman Returns when the Ice Princess fell to her death from the building and the police thought Batman was responsible.