The Official Batman & Robin Thread

[Green Goblin]

Yea this movie was made to sell toys. Other films though to have that factor incorporated.

 

[CountOrlok]

So what if it was made to sell toys? So what if it was made to be more 'family-friendly'? What does it matter? What matters is if you enjoy the movie or not.

 

[The Joker]

So what if it was made to sell toys? So what if it was made to be more 'family-friendly'? What does it matter? What matters is if you enjoy the movie or not.

It matters because turning Batman into a children's oriented movie that was just a two hour toy commercial to sell lots of toys (something even the producer of these movies agrees with and thinks was wrong) was a massive mistake and a terrible approach to making a Batman movie.

The result of that approach is why the movie is so hated and not enjoyed by most. The attitude and approach to making any movie always matters because it affects the outcome of the movie.

 

[CountOrlok]

https://www.facebook.com/BatmanAndRobinFilm

60,215 likes

 

[The Joker]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Catwoman/107623375927221?fref=ts

201,416 likes

 

[CountOrlok]

You said Batman and Robin is "hated and not enjoyed by most". What has that got to do with Catwoman? Maybe more people like Catwoman than Batman and Robin, so what? More people also like Catwoman than Batman Forever (according to Facebook), even though Batman Forever made more money at the box office.

I'm just giving proof that this movie has fans.

 

[The Joker]

I'm giving proof that out of a worldwide population of billions, 60 thousand likes on Facebook is nothing. A minority. The movie is still hated and not enjoyed by most because 60 thousand is certainly not most. Showing that a bigger piece of crap like Catwoman can garner over triple the number of likes proves that. As for box office, that means nothing. Transformers 2 made more than The Shawshank Redemption, and many other brilliant movies. That doesn't mean people love Transformers 2 more.

You didn't need to give proof the movie has some fans. Every movie has fans. Even the worst most hated ones.

 

[Green Goblin]

It's amazing how CountOrlok keeps missing the point.

The vast majority do not like Batman and Robin. Sure people like it but it's very small.

 

[CountOrlok]

I don't care if the majority hate it or not. Doesn't mean a thing to me.

 

[The Joker]

Whether it meant anything to you personally or not was never an issue here. Nor the movie having some fans. Every movie has fans. Even the worst of the worst. If a turd like Catwoman can get over 200k likes on Facebook then just about any lousy movie can have some fans.

 

[C. Lee]

The funny thing for me is....I don't give a rat's ass if something I like isn't liked by others. It's nice to find someone who does like a particular movie or Tv show that I do too....because you can discuss it more civilly with them than with people who hate it. But at the end of the day....even if I am the only person who likes something...it means that I have something I like to watch when I want.

I have fun watching Batman and Robin....my wife and kid have fun watching it too. That's good enough for me.

 

[CountOrlok]

What I don't get is why the Batman 60s series and Brave and the Bold gets a pass but not Batman and Robin.

It's weird because before Batman '89, people wanted a darker Batman and even petitioned WB when Michael Keaton was cast because they thought that meant it was going to be a comedy.. then '89 was a huge success.. so they made it even darker with Batman Returns, but then that got a huge backlash for being 'too dark'.. so they lightened it up with Batman Forever (which was a huge success), so studios must have thought that's what people wanted.. hence Batman and Robin... but no...

So audiences can't seem to make up their mind. One moment they want a darker Batman, the next moment a lighter Batman, and vice versa.

 

[CountOrlok]

A majority of the scenes with Julie Madison, played by Elle Macpherson, were edited out from the final cut of "Batman & Robin". The character was also given different parting scenes. In one, which was in the shooting script during filming of the movie, Bruce Wayne finds Pamela Isley at the Gotham Observatory after she steals Commissioner Gordon's keys. Bruce tries to ask Isley out, under the influence of her pheromone dust, but Julie finds Bruce with Isley and she breaks up with Bruce when he chooses to be with Isley over Julie. Another scene, which was actually filmed, included Poison Ivy, played by Uma Thurman, finding Julie Madison at the Gotham Observatory after she had stolen the keys to the Bat-Signal from Commissioner Gordon (Pat Hingle), and Ivy fatally stabs Julie to death with a knife. Poison Ivy would later be shown using the same knife in the film during her fight with Batgirl. Julie's death scene was cut out of the film, because it was considered too dark for a film aimed for younger viewers, and because Joel Schumacher was interested in bringing Macpherson's Julie Madison back in the fifth "Batman" film he planned to do for Warner Bros.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

Damn, I would like to see that scene. Uma Thurman stabbing Elle MacPherson with a knife. That's pretty dark.

 

[Hellion]

A majority of the scenes with Julie Madison, played by Elle Macpherson, were edited out from the final cut of "Batman & Robin". The character was also given different parting scenes. In one, which was in the shooting script during filming of the movie, Bruce Wayne finds Pamela Isley at the Gotham Observatory after she steals Commissioner Gordon's keys. Bruce tries to ask Isley out, under the influence of her pheromone dust, but Julie finds Bruce with Isley and she breaks up with Bruce when he chooses to be with Isley over Julie. Another scene, which was actually filmed, included Poison Ivy, played by Uma Thurman, finding Julie Madison at the Gotham Observatory after she had stolen the keys to the Bat-Signal from Commissioner Gordon (Pat Hingle), and Ivy fatally stabs Julie to death with a knife. Poison Ivy would later be shown using the same knife in the film during her fight with Batgirl. Julie's death scene was cut out of the film, because it was considered too dark for a film aimed for younger viewers, and because Joel Schumacher was interested in bringing Macpherson's Julie Madison back in the fifth "Batman" film he planned to do for Warner Bros.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

Damn, I would like to see that scene. Uma Thurman stabbing Elle MacPherson with a knife. That's pretty dark.

Thanks for posting this. I always enjoyed reading what could have been with this and BF…I don't recall reading before that the scenes were filmed and cut though…maybe someday we'll get a Director's Cut or something…

…this is actually my favorite Schumacher film. I have a soft spot for it.

 

[CountOrlok]

I understand the hate for this movie.. Especially back in 1997, it seemed all the hard work to make Batman dark again had become undone and there was a regression back to his campy days. As if camp Batman was back and here to stay.

Now people got what they wanted, a serious crime drama version of Batman, it's time for a retrospective look at this movie. Also time to maybe bring back some of the comic book fun that has been missing from Batman movies for 17 years. Hopefully Snyder decides to ease up on the Nolanism.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Catwoman/107623375927221?fref=ts

201,416 likes

Even "Michael Keaton's golden capsule utility belt" has hundreds of likes (proving just about anything, no matter how absurd or stupid, can get likes on Facebook).

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Keatons-Golden-Capsule-Utility-Belt/756090324419045

 

[Hellion]

I understand the hate for this movie.. Especially back in 1997, it seemed all the hard work to make Batman dark again had become undone and there was a regression back to his campy days. As if camp Batman was back and here to stay.

Now people got what they wanted, a serious crime drama version of Batman, it's time for a retrospective look at this movie. Also time to maybe bring back some of the comic book fun that has been missing from Batman movies for 17 years. Hopefully Snyder decides to ease up on the Nolanism.

I agree and always enjoy your perspective CountOrlok.

 

[CountOrlok]

I agree and always enjoy your perspective CountOrlok.

Thank you for the kind words. Unless you're being sarcastic.

 

[Hellion]

Thank you for the kind words. Unless you're being sarcastic.

No sarcasm, like Sheldon Cooper, sarcasm is a foreign concept to me…LOL…you'll never read anything but kind words form me.

 

[Naked Shia]

Most people still hate this movie because they can't appreciate the greatness of its silliness. Those people are also, for the most part, those who dismiss the Adam West show, or TBATB animated series, because "Teh Batman is Teh Dark, not the funniez".
And while there is no denying that the Bat's roots are in darkness, the silliness is not only part of the mythos, but it's part of its roots. A man dressed as a bat is silly to his core.

 

[Kane52630]

I understand the hate for this movie.. Especially back in 1997, it seemed all the hard work to make Batman dark again had become undone and there was a regression back to his campy days. As if camp Batman was back and here to stay.

Now people got what they wanted, a serious crime drama version of Batman, it's time for a retrospective look at this movie. Also time to maybe bring back some of the comic book fun that has been missing from Batman movies for 17 years. Hopefully Snyder decides to ease up on the Nolanism.

Most people still hate this movie because they can't appreciate the greatness of its silliness. Those people are also, for the most part, those who dismiss the Adam West show, or TBATB animated series, because "Teh Batman is Teh Dark, not the funniez".
And while there is no denying that the Bat's roots are in darkness, the silliness is not only part of the mythos, but it's part of its roots. A man dressed as a bat is silly to his core.

I love you guys.

 

[Naked Shia]

we love you too man. yuo and yuor wonderful gifs haha

 

[C. Lee]

As I've said a bunch over the years.....the first Batman comics I read were produced in the early/mid 1960's. If new Batman fans have no idea what that means, I suggest they hunt them up and read some. They were not gritty, moody, brooding Dark Knight stories......they were goofy, weird, comical, your friendly neighborhood Batman craziness......or in other words....they were Adam West's Batman TV series and Clooney's Batman & Robin movie.

Here's an observation.....when I was a kid....I loved West's BATMAN, I watched it and loved it and ran around being a kid....when I hit my teens, it was rerun where I lived, the local paper did a write up about the corny campy goofy show that was an embarrassment to comic fans.....and I then hated it because obviously older people in the know felt it was pathetic. If you watched it and liked it (and weren't 6 years old) you had something wrong with you. Then around 20 years later, it appeared on a cable station, I turned it on for a lark...and rediscovered what I had found as a child and lost as a teen....it was hilarious. Not only was I liking the old stuff I remembered....but I now understood the jokes that went over my head as a child (doing exactly what the writers had intended at the time).....

I can't say this is the same for everyone....but for me, being too serious chased the fun away for awhile. So now when many Batfans look down their noses at West's Batman or Clooney's Batman & Robin....I just want to look at them and say.....why so serious?

 

[Naked Shia]

As I've said a bunch over the years.....the first Batman comics I read were produced in the early/mid 1960's. If new Batman fans have no idea what that means, I suggest they hunt them up and read some. They were not gritty, moody, brooding Dark Knight stories......they were goofy, weird, comical, your friendly neighborhood Batman craziness......or in other words....they were Adam West's Batman TV series and Clooney's Batman & Robin movie.

Here's an observation.....when I was a kid....I loved West's BATMAN, I watched it and loved it and ran around being a kid....when I hit my teens, it was rerun where I lived, the local paper did a write up about the corny campy goofy show that was an embarrassment to comic fans.....and I then hated it because obviously older people in the know felt it was pathetic. If you watched it and liked it (and weren't 6 years old) you had something wrong with you. Then around 20 years later, it appeared on a cable station, I turned it on for a lark...and rediscovered what I had found as a child and lost as a teen....it was hilarious. Not only was I liking the old stuff I remembered....but I now understood the jokes that went over my head as a child (doing exactly what the writers had intended at the time).....

I can't say this is the same for everyone....but for me, being too serious chased the fun away for awhile. So now when many Batfans look down their noses at West's Batman or Clooney's Batman & Robin....I just want to look at them and say.....why so serious?

The Adam West show was my first introduction to Batman. I was 3 years old. Then I saw Batman 89 on the tv, when I was 6, and the following year, I watched Batman Returns in theater. I loved both interpretations.

In the following years, I read the cult, the dark knight returns, arkham asylum, and I wasn't even ten yet.

As a teen, I began to despise eveyrthing batman related that wasn't dark.

A few years ago, I understood, like you, that I could like both the dark stories, and the lighter ones. Today, I'm a happy batfan, because he's such a versatile character.

So far, I can say I love every live action batman movies. for different reasons. But let's not forget Batman was on the verge of cancellation before the Adam West show made him cooler than he ever was.

so, happy 75 years Batman, and to 75 more.

 

[Lord]

As I've said a bunch over the years.....the first Batman comics I read were produced in the early/mid 1960's. If new Batman fans have no idea what that means, I suggest they hunt them up and read some. They were not gritty, moody, brooding Dark Knight stories......they were goofy, weird, comical, your friendly neighborhood Batman craziness......or in other words....they were Adam West's Batman TV series and Clooney's Batman & Robin movie.

Here's an observation.....when I was a kid....I loved West's BATMAN, I watched it and loved it and ran around being a kid....when I hit my teens, it was rerun where I lived, the local paper did a write up about the corny campy goofy show that was an embarrassment to comic fans.....and I then hated it because obviously older people in the know felt it was pathetic. If you watched it and liked it (and weren't 6 years old) you had something wrong with you. Then around 20 years later, it appeared on a cable station, I turned it on for a lark...and rediscovered what I had found as a child and lost as a teen....it was hilarious. Not only was I liking the old stuff I remembered....but I now understood the jokes that went over my head as a child (doing exactly what the writers had intended at the time).....

I can't say this is the same for everyone....but for me, being too serious chased the fun away for awhile. So now when many Batfans look down their noses at West's Batman or Clooney's Batman & Robin....I just want to look at them and say.....why so serious?

Because many didn't feel like it didn't work out, unlike the 60s shows, Batman & Robin wasn't exactly very self-aware, it's not too bad to bring the goofy back now and then, Grant Morrison did some amazing stories based on that, the problem is that it's difficult to handle well, for many, Batman & Robin ended up colapsing on its oun goofiness.