The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 1

[Poeman]

Can someone explain what catchweight means?

Im in the leagues business and we did something with Golden Boy recently. I am sure they will want to promote this fight even more then the last one.

I was hyped for this, but alot of knowledgeable fans are already putting this fight aside as it has something to do with catchweight which would play in favor of Mayweather

 

[Poetic Chaos]

It just means they're not fighting at the designated weight which for light middleweight is 154.

 

[Iron_Stark]

In Mayweather's case, he's trying to drain Canelo out to get an advantage. Hopefully Canelo does what Mayweather did in his fight against Marquez and comes in at his proper weight.

There's absolutely no reason to have Canelo come in at that weight when Mayweather never demanded it in his previous fights at 154.

 

[Doc Samson]

So when Pacquiao was doing it, it was acceptable? Floyd was pointing out the catchweight issue with Manny when people were trying to discredit him over his opponents, but it's not like Ray Leonard or JCC are looked down upon for fighting some of their most memorable bouts at catchweights. If Canelo is as good as some of you claim he is, then he should still be able to win.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

It would be acceptable for Mayweather too if he hadn't ragged on Paq for "draining" his opponents. It's the hypocrisy that's the issue.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I can see it now, 'Canelo was too young', 'Canelo was drained', 'Floyd NEEDS to beat Carl Froch to prove he is the best'

Alot of fans think Canelo got Mayweather too early but Floyd ain't going to be around for another 2-3 years. Regardless, Alvarez will be walking around 170 come fight night, his KO power is well above average, and his defense is improving rapidly (with every fight he takes). Mayweather deserves some credit for taking a risky fight again. It's been years since Mayweather has fought a fighter who isn't old, smaller and/or mid-tier.

 

[Doc Samson]

It would be acceptable for Mayweather too if he hadn't ragged on Paq for "draining" his opponents. It's the hypocrisy that's the issue.

Like I said, he was only pointing it out because of the criticism over his opponents. If everybody is trying to act like he hasn't fought anyone of worth in a decade (which isn't true, on top of Pac fighting plenty of the same people) then he has the right to point out what Pac was doing.

Alot of fans think Canelo got Mayweather too early but Floyd ain't going to be around for another 2-3 years. Regardless, Alvarez will be walking around 170 come fight night, his KO power is well above average, and his defense is improving rapidly (with every fight he takes). Mayweather deserves some credit for taking a risky fight again. It's been years since Mayweather has fought a fighter who isn't old, smaller and/or mid-tier.

And that's the main point. Regardless, Alvarez will be at least 165, just like De La Hoya was around 170. He'll still have his "assumed" advantages, so if he gets beat, there's no excuse.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

And that's the main point. Regardless, Alvarez will be at least 165, just like De La Hoya was around 170. He'll still have his "assumed" advantages, so if he gets beat, there's no excuse.

Size and power aren't assumed advantages. Mayweather avoided fighters like Margarito and Williams for a reason (they were bad match ups for him). At any rate, there won't be an excuse. Floyd accepted a fight with a bigger, younger and stronger buck.

It's a win-win scenario for Mayweather any way. If he wins, his legend will continue to grow. If he loses, he loses to Boxing's next superstar, gets a massive paycheck, and may choose to retire on top of the world.

 

[Doc Samson]

Size and power aren't assumed advantages.

Ortiz, Guerrero, De La Hoya & Cotto were all supposed to be bigger and stronger too. It doesn't make much of a difference once you get in there and get gun shy because you can't hit him while he's counter-punching you into a stationary position.

I just don't get it, he beats Trout (and had a tough enough time doing it for a good portion of the bout) now all of a sudden he's supposed to be ready for Mayweather? Just because Manny got knocked out, he's supposed to be the new boogeyman? And after guys like this get exposed, then there's all these excuses afterwards, trying to diminish them so they can diminish Floyd by proxy somehow lol. I guess it's the age we live in where everybody's a critic, but if Canelo isn't as ready as most people assume he is, I hope they don't try to disparage him after the fact. They're the ones building him up like this, it's certainly not his pedigree...

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Ortiz, Guerrero, De La Hoya & Cotto were all supposed to be bigger and stronger too. It doesn't make much of a difference once you get in there and get gun shy because you can't hit him while he's counter-punching you into a stationary position.

Ortiz - who?
De La Hoya - old
Cotto - old
Guerrero - paper champ

Sorry, but this is a whole another beast. Canelo isn't an aging or mid-level fighter. Alvarez is an up-and-comer who utilizes and imposes his size and power quite well. That's the clear difference here.

I just don't get it, he beats Trout (and had a tough enough time doing it for a good portion of the bout) now all of a sudden he's supposed to be ready for Mayweather? Just because Manny got knocked out, he's supposed to be the new boogeyman? And after guys like this get exposed, then there's all these excuses afterwards, trying to diminish them so they can diminish Floyd by proxy somehow lol. I guess it's the age we live in where everybody's a critic, but if Canelo isn't as ready as most people assume he is, I hope they don't try to disparage him after the fact. They're the ones building him up like this, it's certainly not his pedigree...

Me personally, I think Canelo should have waited, at least, 1-2 bouts before taking this fight but I wouldn't sell him short. Trout was a close bout only because Alvarez decided to hit cruise control when he landed a few combinations. New boogeyman? If anyone is making Canelo sound like a boogeyman, it's Mayweather fans ironically (hypocritical excuses as to why he chose to fight Cotto at 154 but wants Saul at 152). Hell, the perception with the Canelo-Mayweather match up six months ago had a contrasting tone with fans.

 

[Doc Samson]

Ortiz - who?
De La Hoya - old
Cotto - old
Guerrero - paper champ

Sorry, but this is a whole another beast. Canelo isn't an aging or mid-level fighter. Alvarez is an up-and-comer who utilizes and imposes his size and power quite well. That's the clear difference here.

Based off what though? Who's he fought that's anywhere near the same class as Floyd? I mentioned those fighters simply because that's the same thing people said about all of them before the fight. How strong they were, how much pressure they're gonna apply & in Ortiz & Guerrero's case, how much youth was on their side. And yeah, in hindsight, it sounds foolish to everybody now. But beforehand, not so much...

New boogeyman? If anyone is making Canelo sound like a boogeyman, it's Mayweather fans ironically (hypocritical excuses as to why he chose to fight Cotto at 154 but wants Saul at 152). Hell, the perception with the Canelo-Mayweather match up six months ago had a contrasting tone with fans.

The only thing I think anybody was ever concerned about with this dude is the weight, because Canelo fights a few divisions below his frame (just like JCC jr) to have that advantage.

The hypocritical part of this is how everyone assumed Floyd wouldn't accept a fight with him, and now that he does, they're already lining up excuses just in case Canelo loses. Before, it was fighters that were too old, this time, it's gonna be how this guy was too inexperienced and young or dehydrated and weak. If people are so worried about a catchweight, they need to contact Canelo and tell him to fight in his true weight class to begin with. Hell, Andre Ward is looking for somebody to fight, but he won't do it, and neither will Sergio Martinez. Yet fans want to criticize Floyd? Please, if nobody that loved Manny Pacquiao had a problem with catchweights, they shouldn't now...

 

[Iron_Stark]

Based off what though? Who's he fought that's anywhere near the same class as Floyd? I mentioned those fighters simply because that's the same thing people said about all of them before the fight. How strong they were, how much pressure they're gonna apply & in Ortiz & Guerrero's case, how much youth was on their side. And yeah, in hindsight, it sounds foolish to everybody now. But beforehand, not so much...



The only thing I think anybody was ever concerned about with this dude is the weight, because Canelo fights a few divisions below his frame (just like JCC jr) to have that advantage.

The hypocritical part of this is how everyone assumed Floyd wouldn't accept a fight with him, and now that he does, they're already lining up excuses just in case Canelo loses. Before, it was fighters that were too old, this time, it's gonna be how this guy was too inexperienced and young or dehydrated and weak. If people are so worried about a catchweight, they need to contact Canelo and tell him to fight in his true weight class to begin with. Hell, Andre Ward is looking for somebody to fight, but he won't do it, and neither will Sergio Martinez. Yet fans want to criticize Floyd? Please, if nobody that loved Manny Pacquiao had a problem with catchweights, they shouldn't now...

I already said how Mayweather will win this fight, he'll pop shot and run his way to victory. NO way in hell will he stand toe to toe with Canelo and try to knock him out.

And like I said Canelo should give a big FU to Mayweather and come in at his proper weight. All he would do is get a fine like Maywether did against JMM.

And I've been looking back at some past posts and NOWHERE have I found anyone claiming Canelo is the new "boogeyman" or that people thought it was ok for Pac to fight at catchweights, much less praising him for doing it.

Like I've said plenty of times and this once again proves it, Mayweather is a hypocrite, he ragged on Pac for the catchweights and he's doing it right here

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Based off what though? Who's he fought that's anywhere near the same class as Floyd? I mentioned those fighters simply because that's the same thing people said about all of them before the fight. How strong they were, how much pressure they're gonna apply & in Ortiz & Guerrero's case, how much youth was on their side. And yeah, in hindsight, it sounds foolish to everybody now. But beforehand, not so much...

Agreed, but this is an opponent who doesn't just have a puncher's chance. Canelo is a young and very talented fighter (like Ward). Guys like Ortiz and Guerrero [combined] are aren't as talented as Saul. So I do view that as a factor.

The only thing I think anybody was ever concerned about with this dude is the weight, because Canelo fights a few divisions below his frame (just like JCC jr) to have that advantage.

The hypocritical part of this is how everyone assumed Floyd wouldn't accept a fight with him, and now that he does, they're already lining up excuses just in case Canelo loses. Before, it was fighters that were too old, this time, it's gonna be how this guy was too inexperienced and young or dehydrated and weak. If people are so worried about a catchweight, they need to contact Canelo and tell him to fight in his true weight class to begin with. Hell, Andre Ward is looking for somebody to fight, but he won't do it, and neither will Sergio Martinez. Yet fans want to criticize Floyd? Please, if nobody that loved Manny Pacquiao had a problem with catchweights, they shouldn't now...

Eh, that's not the tone I'm reading into when you got fans stammering and coming up faux argumentative points with this match up. It makes it seem as if Mayweather fans are scared for Floyd (and they have every right to be because Saul is a legitimate threat).

I don't got a problem with that, because everybody does it. Every fighter seeks an advantage. That's what Mayweather, Pacquaio and Martinez have been doing for years after all. I don't view Canelo as that inexperienced either. He rose to the occasion against Trout. To me, he's young, hungry, gifted, and strong. Good enough in my opinion. The rest is up to Saul now.

 

[Doc Samson]

I already said how Mayweather will win this fight, he'll pop shot and run his way to victory. NO way in hell will he stand toe to toe with Canelo and try to knock him out.

And once again, what's your point? It's boxing, the sweet science, the objective isn't to get hit, it's to hit. And outside of De La Hoya (which was his first major fight of that magnitude against one of the legends of the previous era) Floyd hasn't moved around the ring much against anyone. He stands right in front of people. Just another silly and untrue statement.

And I've been looking back at some past posts and NOWHERE have I found anyone claiming Canelo is the new "boogeyman" or that people thought it was ok for Pac to fight at catchweights, much less praising him for doing it.

People propped up Canelo much faster after Manny got knocked out. Almost overnight, he became the new guy that's going to beat Floyd. If Manny doesn't lose in that fashion, I doubt anyone would be clamoring for Alvarez to get this shot this soon.

When I say "boogeyman" I'm not saying that anyone here literally posted that in those exact words, but the meaning is the same. Basically everyone figured he wouldn't fight Canelo. That he was scared of him and hence, he became Floyd's new boogeyman. The monstrous, unstoppable fighter that will have Floyd shaking in his boots whatever, the same way they tried to create that image with Pac. I'm not just talking here, I'm talking media, fans, everywhere...

And you were basically praising Manny for catchweights because all you did for years in here was talk about how great he was because of these bigger fighters he was facing. Not once did you ever talk about Manny and catchweights but the first time Floyd does it, you're trying to criticize him about it.

I don't got a problem with that, because everybody does it. Every fighter seeks an advantage. That's what Mayweather, Pacquaio and Martinez have been doing for years after all. I don't view Canelo as that inexperienced either. He rose to the occasion against Trout. To me, he's young, hungry, gifted, and strong. Good enough in my opinion. The rest is up to Saul now.

And Ray Leonard, and JCC and countless others. The only reason Floyd ever brought it up in the first place is because of all the people coming at him about "cherry-picking" fights. I feel he was in the right to point out that not only did Manny fight plenty of the same guys after he did, he also demanded catchweights on a few occasions.

Canelo may not be inexperienced, but in a fight of this magnitude, I think he is. And if he gets handled, I'm almost sure every Mayweather hater is going to act like the catchweight and his youth were the issues. Alvarez is known to get gassed out, he certainly was against Trout and his conditioning has been a problem before, so the weight won't have anything to do with it if he's not prepared to go 12 rounds. I just don't want any collective amnesia around here...

 

[Iron_Stark]

And once again, what's your point? It's boxing, the sweet science, the objective isn't to get hit, it's to hit. And outside of De La Hoya (which was his first major fight of that magnitude against one of the legends of the previous era) Floyd hasn't moved around the ring much against anyone. He stands right in front of people. Just another silly and untrue statement.



People propped up Canelo much faster after Manny got knocked out. Almost overnight, he became the new guy that's going to beat Floyd. If Manny doesn't lose in that fashion, I doubt anyone would be clamoring for Alvarez to get this shot this soon.

When I say "boogeyman" I'm not saying that anyone here literally posted that in those exact words, but the meaning is the same. Basically everyone figured he wouldn't fight Canelo. That he was scared of him and hence, he became Floyd's new boogeyman. The monstrous, unstoppable fighter that will have Floyd shaking in his boots whatever, the same way they tried to create that image with Pac. I'm not just talking here, I'm talking media, fans, everywhere...

And you were basically praising Manny for catchweights because all you did for years in here was talk about how great he was because of these bigger fighters he was facing. Not once did you ever talk about Manny and catchweights but the first time Floyd does it, you're trying to criticize him about it.



And Ray Leonard, and JCC and countless others. The only reason Floyd ever brought it up in the first place is because of all the people coming at him about "cherry-picking" fights. I feel he was in the right to point out that not only did Manny fight plenty of the same guys after he did, he also demanded catchweights on a few occasions.

Canelo may not be inexperienced, but in a fight of this magnitude, I think he is. And if he gets handled, I'm almost sure every Mayweather hater is going to act like the catchweight and his youth were the issues. Alvarez is known to get gassed out, he certainly was against Trout and his conditioning has been a problem before, so the weight won't have anything to do with it if he's not prepared to go 12 rounds. I just don't want any collective amnesia around here...

Find me ONE quote where I praised Pac on catchweights.

You were saying that I'm going to be making excuses if Canelo loses, I'm telling you what I know what will happen in a typical Mayweather fight.

The consensus around here is that Canelo is inexperienced, it's all the flomo fans that think their hero picks the most dangerous fights out there, when in reality he carefully picks his opponents, cruises to a boring victory and tries to come off as the greatest ever.

 

[Doc Samson]

Find me ONE quote where I praised Pac on catchweights.

You were saying that I'm going to be making excuses if Canelo loses, I'm telling you what I know what will happen in a typical Mayweather fight.

The consensus around here is that Canelo is inexperienced, it's all the flomo fans that think their hero picks the most dangerous fights out there, when in reality he carefully picks his opponents, cruises to a boring victory and tries to come off as the greatest ever.

You were praising him for fighting these dudes and you never, not once, acknowledged a catchweight with him. But the one time Floyd requests it, you're trying to use that as some sort of criticism. Is that not true?

And I wasn't just talking about you, I'm talking about anybody like you that hates Floyd for whatever reason, they already got excuses lined up. You said that there's NO WAY Floyd would fight Canelo, and now that he does, you're trying to act like he's so inexperienced. If that's the case, he was inexperienced the whole time you first started talking about him as some sort of threat to Mayweather. This is the guy you wanted to see him fight, and he's fighting him, so what's the problem?

 

[antonydelfini]

I hate catchweights. I don't think Floyd needs to have a catchweight to win against Canelo the same way Manny didn't need one against Cotto. He's gonna box his ears off. Canelo is inexperienced and not yet in his prime. He's not even in the top 10 pound for pound list.

I agree with these articles:

From Yahoo Sports:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/floyd-...atchweight-canelo-fight-points-171500697.html

"
Unlike many, though, this writer's opinion is firm and consistent-Catchweights like these are bad for the sport. Whether it's Pacquiao asking two pounds of Cotto or Mayweather asking two pounds of Alvarez, this is really little more than a contractually imposed cheat and it ruins the integrity of the actual fight.
Two pounds can, and does, make a difference to a fighter, especially in this day and age when fighters usually compete well below their natural "walking around" weight.
The most frustrating part is that Mayweather won't likely need a contractual cheat to beat Canelo Alvarez, just as Pacquiao probably didn't need one to beat Cotto. In the end, all the catchweight nonsense does is cast shadows on what might normally be an outstanding achievement.
"I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated."

--Floyd Mayweather via HBO's Face Off with Max Kellerman.
So, after September 14, will Canelo Alvarez remain undefeated, even if Mayweather has his hands raised in victory?"




And from Ring:


http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/179079-dougies-friday-mailbag



"Weight was an issue in this fight, even though Mayweather has twice fought at junior middleweight (vs. Oscar De La Hoya and Cotto) and currently holds the WBA’s “super” 154-pound title. In a very clear way, Mayweather is paying Canelo the ultimate compliment by having their fight contested two pounds under the junior middleweight limit. He’s basically telling the boxing world that he views Canleo as more of a threat than the two future first-ballot hall of famers.
Yes, Mayweather is flip-flopping his so-called stance against catchweights that he used to promote last year’s Cotto fight (and to take digs at Manny Pacquiao). That shouldn’t come as a surprise to fans. He fought Juan Manuel Marquez at a contracted 144 pounds at a time when the Mexican veteran had never fought above 135 pounds – and then he came in at 146.
However, something that Mayweather’s very vocal and extremely sensitive fans fail to grasp is that it’s not the catchweight that most fans are criticizing; it’s the hypocrisy."

 

[Doc Samson]

Unlike many, though, this writer's opinion is firm and consistent-Catchweights like these are bad for the sport. Whether it's Pacquiao asking two pounds of Cotto or Mayweather asking two pounds of Alvarez, this is really little more than a contractually imposed cheat and it ruins the integrity of the actual fight.
Two pounds can, and does, make a difference to a fighter, especially in this day and age when fighters usually compete well below their natural "walking around" weight.

And that's problem number one right there. Canelo (and JCC jr especially) impose cheats almost every time they get in the ring. No matter what the catchweight is, he'll most likely be over 170 pounds on fight night. In actuality, he could be facing off against plenty of other fighters at his natural weight and then he wouldn't have to worry about it at all. But that's his decision, so let's not cry him a river.

 

[antonydelfini]

And that's problem number one right there. Canelo (and JCC jr especially) impose cheats almost every time they get in the ring. No matter what the catchweight is, he'll most likely be over 170 pounds on fight night. In actuality, he could be facing off against plenty of other fighters at his natural weight and then he wouldn't have to worry about it at all. But that's his decision, so let's not cry him a river.

That's actually a disadvantage to the one doing it.

If you're saying that Canelo should be at 160 or 168 and he's going down to 154 to fight, that's actually a bigger disadvantage to Canelo. Draining makes you weak, easily tired, and slow. When he becomes 170 lbs on fight day, it actually makes him slower.

 

[Doc Samson]

If you're saying that Canelo should be at 160 or 168 and he's going down to 154 to fight, that's actually a bigger disadvantage to Canelo. Draining makes you weak, easily tired, and slow. When he becomes 170 lbs on fight day, it actually makes him slower.

No it's not because he's naturally bigger, with a bigger frame, than most boxers at 154, giving him power that he might not really have at 160-168. When he comes in at 170 on fight night, and Floyd doesn't get over 156, it's a distinct advantage.

On top of that, his conditioning is always a problem (once again, just like JCC jr) so maybe that's a big reason why, but either way, him gassing out won't be a new phenomenon. On the contrary, if he actually shows stamina late (assuming it goes late) that'll be a revelation.

 

[antonydelfini]

No it's not because he's naturally bigger, with a bigger frame, than most boxers at 154, giving him power that he might not really have at 160-168. When he comes in at 170 on fight night, and Floyd doesn't get over 156, it's a distinct advantage.

On top of that, his conditioning is always a problem (once again, just like JCC jr) so maybe that's a big reason why, but either way, him gassing out won't be a new phenomenon. On the contrary, if he actually shows stamina late (assuming it goes late) that'll be a revelation.

Doc, it's a fact in boxing that going below your natural weight is a bad thing. Yes you'll have a bigger frame than your opponent, but you'll be sluggish and weaker as it involves dehydrating oneself and not eating. You gain weight after the weigh-in and that's considered as a bad thing. Look at Oscar during the Pacman fight or Roy Jones vs Tarver fight. Losing weight is usually more dangerous for a fighter than moving up in weight that's why moving up in weight is common while moving down is rare. It's just a general boxing fact.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I hate catchweights. I don't think Floyd needs to have a catchweight to win against Canelo the same way Manny didn't need one against Cotto. He's gonna box his ears off. Canelo is inexperienced and not yet in his prime. He's not even in the top 10 pound for pound list.

I agree with these articles:

From Yahoo Sports:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/floyd-...atchweight-canelo-fight-points-171500697.html

"
Unlike many, though, this writer's opinion is firm and consistent-Catchweights like these are bad for the sport. Whether it's Pacquiao asking two pounds of Cotto or Mayweather asking two pounds of Alvarez, this is really little more than a contractually imposed cheat and it ruins the integrity of the actual fight.
Two pounds can, and does, make a difference to a fighter, especially in this day and age when fighters usually compete well below their natural "walking around" weight.
The most frustrating part is that Mayweather won't likely need a contractual cheat to beat Canelo Alvarez, just as Pacquiao probably didn't need one to beat Cotto. In the end, all the catchweight nonsense does is cast shadows on what might normally be an outstanding achievement.
"I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated."

--Floyd Mayweather via HBO's Face Off with Max Kellerman.
So, after September 14, will Canelo Alvarez remain undefeated, even if Mayweather has his hands raised in victory?"




And from Ring:


http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/179079-dougies-friday-mailbag



"Weight was an issue in this fight, even though Mayweather has twice fought at junior middleweight (vs. Oscar De La Hoya and Cotto) and currently holds the WBA’s “super” 154-pound title. In a very clear way, Mayweather is paying Canelo the ultimate compliment by having their fight contested two pounds under the junior middleweight limit. He’s basically telling the boxing world that he views Canleo as more of a threat than the two future first-ballot hall of famers.
Yes, Mayweather is flip-flopping his so-called stance against catchweights that he used to promote last year’s Cotto fight (and to take digs at Manny Pacquiao). That shouldn’t come as a surprise to fans. He fought Juan Manuel Marquez at a contracted 144 pounds at a time when the Mexican veteran had never fought above 135 pounds – and then he came in at 146.
However, something that Mayweather’s very vocal and extremely sensitive fans fail to grasp is that it’s not the catchweight that most fans are criticizing; it’s the hypocrisy."

Exactly right, especially the last sentence is what all the flomos out there don't seem to grasp.

Completely blinded by Mayweathers hypocrisy.

 

[Docker2.0]

What's up with the Mayweather hate? Canelo walks around at 170 so I can't blame May. Sergio fought a cruiserweight in JCC and got knocked out plus Canelo is a lot more skilled. It's crazy people are downing Mayweather for this.

 

[antonydelfini]

What's up with the Mayweather hate? Canelo walks around at 170 so I can't blame May. Sergio fought a cruiserweight in JCC and got knocked out plus Canelo is a lot more skilled. It's crazy people are downing Mayweather for this.

Again, it's not the catchweight people are hatin on, it's the hypocricy.

Floyd was like, "Cotto is undefeated cause Margarito cheated and Pacman beat him 2 lbs below welter limit". So will he consider Canelo undefeated if he beat him cause he is fighting him 2 lbs below super welter limit.

Floyd was also like, "i fight guys at their natural weight so there will be no excuses". So based on Floyd's logic, Marquez, Hatton, and the soon to be victim Canelo have reasonable excuses.

Again, it's the hypocricy that's botherin people. Read the Yahoo and Ring articles that I posted.

 

[antonydelfini]

And again, if people are saying Canelo should be fighting at 160 or 168 and should not fight in 154 because it's way below his walk-around weight, then that means he's draining himself to fight at 154.

It's common boxing knowledge that draining yourself to make weight makes you sluggish and weak. Just ask De La Hoya when he fought Pacman.