The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Fallen Angel]

Frikin 2 rounds. GGG needs to be tested against live opponents not bums who are scared ****less.

 

[Docker2.0]

I agree. Rubio looked scared from the bell and even though he got hit, it looked like he didn't want to get up. Who smiles like that after a loss? I think GGG has already cleaned out the Middleweight division because there isn't anyone there. I think he beats Quillen, Cotto(not a true Middleweight), and who ever qualifies as one. I think Canelo would be interesting though. GGG is tailor made for him but GGG has the size and power advantage. He may have to move up sooner than he expected.

On a different note, did anyone see the judges scorecard on the Donaire fight? Walters was only up by 2 points on 2 of the judges scorecards. He clearly dominated that fight and I don't know how they can have it that close, especially after he went down in 2 rounds.

 

[Iron_Stark]

When GGG fights a JCC Jr or Ward, don't say I didn't tell you about him

The Ward card. If GGG is the bum that you claim he is, why won't you clamor for Ward to really challenge himself then and go up a division and fight all the guys at 175? And not waste his career like he's doing right now.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Ward card. If GGG is the bum that you claim he is, why won't you clamor for Ward to really challenge himself then and go up a division and fight all the guys at 175? And not waste his career like he's doing right now.

The same can be said for GGG. Why doesn't he move up? But I also said JCC Jr, not just Ward. Do you have selective reading? Plus Ward is the #2 P4P fighter in the world. Why wouldn't I want to see Ward fight GGG?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Ward isn't #2 P4P technically anymore. You can't be if you're inactive for so long and he isn't going to be fighting for a while yet with this case against his promoters management. Ward needs to move up to Light Heavy and GGG will move up to SM.

 

[Docker2.0]

There's really only one fight at Light Heavyweight for him and that's Kovalev. Stevenson seems to not have a clue what to do with his career, nor is he even a true Light Heavyweight and Hopkins has stated he wants no part of Ward so why go up? There are bigger fights at Super Middleweight but most(including GGG)are afraid to fight him. From my understanding, a fighter has be inactive for a year to fall out of the P4P list and Ward fought last November and is about to fall out.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Ward could fight a number of people at Light Heavy:

Tavoris Cloud
Jean Pascal
Lucien Bute (who is thinking about moving up)
Stevenson
Kovalev
Shumnov (Former IBF champ)
That dude who obliterated Cloud a few weeks ago has freakish power.
Maybe chad Dawson at 175lb as well.

The 175lb division is loaded with fighters with power and talent. It's also one of the most active divisions right now.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ward could fight a number of people at Light Heavy:

Tavoris Cloud
Jean Pascal
Lucien Bute (who is thinking about moving up)
Stevenson
Kovalev
Shumnov (Former IBF champ)
That dude who obliterated Cloud a few weeks ago has freakish power.
Maybe chad Dawson at 175lb as well.

The 175lb division is loaded with fighters with power and talent. It's also one of the most active divisions right now.

Those are money fights? Let's be honest there's only like 4 good names in that division: Hopkins, Kovalev, Stevenson, and Pascal. Cloud is done, Bute is done as well and Shumnov isn't even a full time boxer from my understanding. He's a lawyer or something like that. Why can't he fight those guys at a catchweight? If I'm him, I wouldn't commit to that division because Super Middleweight is where some of the bigger names are. Plus if he fights GGG, I expect them both to get career high paydays.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I can see where you're coming from bar Stevenson and kovalev no name really stands out for Ward. But Ward barely sells anything anyway so it don't really matter about money. The only fight for Ward at SM is Golovkin when he moves up. But that won't be before he unifies the 160lb division.

 

[Docker2.0]

I can see where you're coming from bar Stevenson and kovalev no name really stands out for Ward. But Ward barely sells anything anyway so it don't really matter about money. The only fight for Ward at SM is Golovkin when he moves up. But that won't be before he unifies the 160lb division.

That's why I don't think he's going to move up until he absolutely has to. Bigger paydays are at SMW. He can't sell himself so he has to be the B side of negotiations. If Stevenson fought Kovalev, the only people who will watch it are die hard fans because neither of them are household names. But if he fought JCC Jr and GGG(who's really getting pushed hard be the media)then he gets exposure and a payday. I think he could fight those guys and should but I wouldn't move up completely to light heavyweight just yet.

 

[Fallen Angel]

and this is why I hate modern fighters. They don't want to test themselves. I remember my grandpa and old man telling me during the golden age of boxing in the 60/70/80's where the best fought the best to prove they were the top dog.

Ward is the undisputed king of the Super Middleweights' why hang around and fight nobodies while waiting for Golovkin to move up. Golovkin isn't in a hurry to move up either.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well GGG is the boogeyman of boxing right now. Everyone is supposedly afraid to fight him and Ward may want to shut it up. To me, he's in the perfect position because he can go up or down to fight these guys and he's not to big or to small. You are right, boxing is a business and I hate that fighters today don't fight the best. But what I don't like is when people want a fighter who weighs like 147 lb to fight a guy who weighs 160 lbs..........actually expect him to and if he doesn't, he's a coward. OR when another fighter b fights in that same division that fighter a does but it's ok for fighter b to not fight fighter c because he's to small........but fighter a has to or he's a straight up duck. I'm sure you seen the posts here and know what I'm talking about.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ward is a great fighter. He is also fragile, boring, rarely leaves California to fight, and a is a small purse to fight. Plus, he is an idiot who has kept himself inactive for a long time for no real reason. The promoter stuff is a joke.

So basically, Ward is wasting his career.

 

[Fallen Angel]

^^

Good points DS.

Well GGG is the boogeyman of boxing right now. Everyone is supposedly afraid to fight him and Ward may want to shut it up. To me, he's in the perfect position because he can go up or down to fight these guys and he's not to big or to small. You are right, boxing is a business and I hate that fighters today don't fight the best. But what I don't like is when people want a fighter who weighs like 147 lb to fight a guy who weighs 160 lbs..........actually expect him to and if he doesn't, he's a coward. OR when another fighter b fights in that same division that fighter a does but it's ok for fighter b to not fight fighter c because he's to small........but fighter a has to or he's a straight up duck. I'm sure you seen the posts here and know what I'm talking about.

I know what you mean man.

This is one of the reasons what gives boxing a bad name and we're seeing more fans move over to the UFC because the best fight the best consistent basis. Don't get me wrong love mix martial arts too but boxing is my true passion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd v. GGG is different then GGG v. Ward. Floyd is the 154 Ring Champ. He is the legit 154 Champion of the World. GGG is willing to cut to fight him at 154. If Ward were willing to cut, I'd be fine with it, but he won't.

 

[Docker2.0]

I agree. I don't know how he could possibly be mad at Gossen when he has done everything to make him a star. He fights in his backyard most of the time, got him into the Super 6, had Chad Dawson fight him at his weight and not a catchweight. He's wasting his prime away for bs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree. I don't know how he could possibly be mad at Gossen when he has done everything to make him a star. He fights in his backyard most of the time, got him into the Super 6, had Chad Dawson fight him at his weight and not a catchweight. He's wasting his prime away for bs.

Ward to me is the kind of guy that if he could make a good living doing something else, wouldn't be a fighter. He is a good athlete and great boxer, but I just don't feel like he is "into" it. This long layoff is just stupid, and there is no excuse. His biggest problem with getting big paydays, is him. Nothing his management can do.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Those are money fights? Let's be honest there's only like 4 good names in that division: Hopkins, Kovalev, Stevenson, and Pascal. Cloud is done, Bute is done as well and Shumnov isn't even a full time boxer from my understanding. He's a lawyer or something like that. Why can't he fight those guys at a catchweight? If I'm him, I wouldn't commit to that division because Super Middleweight is where some of the bigger names are. Plus if he fights GGG, I expect them both to get career high paydays.

Give me a break. Now you're acting as financial advisor? Gtfo, Ward can't draw flies to sh-t. If we're playing accountant, then GGG would be better off getting career high paydays with Canelo, Cotto, Martinez and Mayweather (if he ever grew some balls and actually defended his 154 title).

Ward isn't fighting anytime soon, nobody knows who he is and nobody cares about him. He's boring, has a dull personality and never fights outside his hometown. So I fail to see how financially beneficial it would be for GGG to move up in weight and fight award.

Like it was posted already, there's a who's who in the 175 division. He needs to go up there and challenge himself and quit calling out these smaller guys.

Fighting Ward would definitely NOT be a career high payday.

 

[Iron_Stark]

double post

 

[Doc Samson]

You guys can say what you want about Ward's career, the fact remains: if he ever caught GGG in a ring, he'd whup his ass. With NO problem.

Said it time and time again, there was nothing more "marketable" about Bernard Hopkins throughout his career than Andre Ward, except Bernard got the benefit of existing in a time with better names in the middleweight/LH division. That's really it, Ward's style is extremely similar, but none of these potential opponents would draw any real money or attention either, not even GGG at this stage or JCC jr. IMO. If there was a Trinidad or De La Hoya waiting, I'm sure he wouldn't mind fighting anywhere on the Planet. I don't see many guys with that type of name strolling around nowadays...

 

[Docker2.0]

I've been on record saying that Ward would give GGG the arse whooping of his life and it wouldn't be close. I've also been on record saying, though I think GGG is good, he's a very limited fighter with suspect defense and once he gets in with a true boxer, he will be schooled. He reminds me of Lucas Matthysee, only bigger.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The same Lucas Matthysse who almost knocked out Danny Garcia and lost only a close decision after his eye closed up almost randomly? There is a reason Danny wants no part of a rematch.

You guys can say what you want about Ward's career, the fact remains: if he ever caught GGG in a ring, he'd whup his ass. With NO problem.

Said it time and time again, there was nothing more "marketable" about Bernard Hopkins throughout his career than Andre Ward, except Bernard got the benefit of existing in a time with better names in the middleweight/LH division. That's really it, Ward's style is extremely similar, but none of these potential opponents would draw any real money or attention either, not even GGG at this stage or JCC jr. IMO. If there was a Trinidad or De La Hoya waiting, I'm sure he wouldn't mind fighting anywhere on the Planet. I don't see many guys with that type of name strolling around nowadays...

That is quite possible. But that is because Ward has big size advantage.

 

[Docker2.0]

I almost won the lottery if I got another number right. Not trying to be smart but the truth is no matter how close he came to knocking him out, he got schooled. That fight was not as close as some people say IMHO.

Speaking of Ward's size advantage, Lara also called out GGG but you know what his management's response was? The same he used for Ward. There's no money in that fight. High risk, low reward. Amazing.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Lara is ass and ran in the biggest fight of his career. He's a non issue.

And if Ward really beats GGG with no problem, then why are you two clamoring for that fight? Why always bring up Ward when GGG is being discussed???

There is nobody in Ward's division left to fight, if he's really as great as everyone claims he is then go up in weight and clean out the 175 division. Fight all the guys there, quit calling out smaller guys or making guys drain themselves.

 

[Fallen Angel]

We have no idea when Ward will even come back to the ring man. Hes' still dealing with legal shenanigans with his promoter's management. But I agree Ward should move up to 175lb and deal with guys over there.