The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Doc Samson]

Supposedly, according to Stephen A Smith anyhow, Mayweather has offered Arum 10 Million to step aside in negotiations/promotion of any fight with Pacquiao.

Clearly, I don't think Arum would accept such a relatively small amount. Secondly, although Smith has been on point with almost all things Basketball related, he has zero credibility when it comes to reporting on Boxing, as far as I know.

And lastly, I just can't imagine a world where a promoter, ANY promoter, much less Bob Arum, would willingly step away from what would surely be the richest Boxing match to date. Realistically, I think the best shot of this fight happening went out the window when Manny signed another contract with Arum.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Bob Arum the senile old fool is the biggest obstacle for a potential Mayweather/Pacman fight. Let's not beat around the bush here we'd all love to see it even though it's about 4 years too late.

I think as long as Arum is there this fight won't happen and lets' be honest he won't move out the way coz he want's a a share of that money pie.

 

[Docker2.0]

Supposedly, according to Stephen A Smith anyhow, Mayweather has offered Arum 10 Million to step aside in negotiations/promotion of any fight with Pacquiao.

Clearly, I don't think Arum would accept such a relatively small amount. Secondly, although Smith has been on point with almost all things Basketball related, he has zero credibility when it comes to reporting on Boxing, as far as I know.

And lastly, I just can't imagine a world where a promoter, ANY promoter, much less Bob Arum, would willingly step away from what would surely be the richest Boxing match to date. Realistically, I think the best shot of this fight happening went out the window when Manny signed another contract with Arum.

Bob Arum the senile old fool is the biggest obstacle for a potential Mayweather/Pacman fight. Let's not beat around the bush here we'd all love to see it even though it's about 4 years too late.

I think as long as Arum is there this fight won't happen and lets' be honest he won't move out the way coz he want's a a share of that money pie.

Agreed on all points! Why can't Iron Stark see it?!?!?

 

[Docker2.0]

When it comes to Manny vs Mayweather, I honestly believe there has been a verbal agreement since last year between the two camps.They just had to get some minor things settled.

Look at the signs:
1. Mayweather saying he had a surprise announcement.
2. Mayweather taking on Maidana and Pacquiao taking on Algieri. These are like tuneup fights for the styles they would be facing. Almost mirror styles of their opponents. Maidana is a brawler like Paq and Algeiri is a pure boxer like Floyd.
3. Mayweather Sr. talking to much. He said the fight will happen but maybe he spoke to soon?
I think this fight is happening in May due to neither guy making nowhere near the amount they could plus they are running out of opponents.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lets not get things twisted, the only one that wants the fight is Manny. I think Floyd would win, but it is risky, and Floyd doesn't do risky. Arum knows that if Manny loses, which he probably would, his meal ticket is done.

 

[Docker2.0]

Lets not get things twisted, the only one that wants the fight is Manny. I think Floyd would win, but it is risky, and Floyd doesn't do risky. Arum knows that if Manny loses, which he probably would, his meal ticket is done.

I don't know why people think Manny is a "risky" fight for Floyd. It's a proven fact that Manny has trouble dealing with counter punchers and Floyd is the best in the business. He also has every advantage you can think of. I honestly think Manny will be one of Floyd's easiest fights. He'd pick Manny apart. People keep saying he's afraid of Manny but I think it's more of him not wanting to deal with Arum.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Manny is risky because of how he moves and works. I personally think Floyd could keep Manny at a distance and hit him with the straight right all night. But if Manny were able to get inside and look busy, he could easily win rounds he shouldn't. Also Manny could force Floyd to work. Floyd loves to take breaks in fights. He wouldn't be able to do that with Manny. If Floyd didn't fear Manny a little, he wouldn't come up with all the excuses he does. Yes, Arum is a big part of it, but clearly not all of it.

I wish Floyd had taken this fight 4 years ago. Floyd was faster then, and had more legs. I don't think Manny would of had a pray back then.

 

[Docker2.0]

Manny is risky because of how he moves and works. I personally think Floyd could keep Manny at a distance and hit him with the straight right all night. But if Manny were able to get inside and look busy, he could easily win rounds he shouldn't. Also Manny could force Floyd to work. Floyd loves to take breaks in fights. He wouldn't be able to do that with Manny. If Floyd didn't fear Manny a little, he wouldn't come up with all the excuses he does. Yes, Arum is a big part of it, but clearly not all of it.

I wish Floyd had taken this fight 4 years ago. Floyd was faster then, and had more legs. I don't think Manny would of had a pray back then.

This is what I don't get. I just posted a link with excuses Arum has made but yet people still blame Floyd. Floyd has made 10 excuses MAX, and I'm not sure it's even 10, I'm just rounding it up to give you guys the benefit. Who the freak would build a stadium for ONE Fight!?! ONE!!!!! I think Canelo was a more dangerous fight than Manny because of his size and popularity and people don't want to give him any credit but he can box and has good hand speed. Don't get me wrong, Manny throws punches in flurries and quite possibly has the fastest hands in boxing(up there with Khan)but he has huge flaws. His defense sucks which is why JMM knocked him out cold. Mayweather has height, reach, speed, and is a smarter boxer than JMM, not to mention(according to Sugar Shane)has more power than people realize. Floyd has every right to demand blood testing for Manny who came up almost 30 lbs after getting knocked out by a cab driver in the Philippines to knocking out full blown Middleweights. I don't know why anyone would blame him for doing so.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I've always said had this fight happened 4 years ago I'd have fancied Pacman just about to win but his descent from his peak has been quicker than Floyd's. If the fight happens now Floyd to win but with a few close calls to shake him as Manny will get through.

 

[Docker2.0]

I've always said had this fight happened 4 years ago I'd have fancied Pacman just about to win but his descent from his peak has been quicker than Floyd's. If the fight happens now Floyd to win but with a few close calls to shake him as Manny will get through.

Agreed. A few years ago when Manny was quite possibly juicing, I think he could have beaten Floyd but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't bet against Floyd. The way Floyd adapts in fights to guy's styles would have Manny confused. The only chance I give Manny now is a puncher's chance. Maidana caught Floyd at the end of a round that dazed Floyd, so did Mosley so he could get tagged but Manny is so wide open that he'd get countered all day.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is what I don't get. I just posted a link with excuses Arum has made but yet people still blame Floyd. Floyd has made 10 excuses MAX, and I'm not sure it's even 10, I'm just rounding it up to give you guys the benefit. Who the freak would build a stadium for ONE Fight!?! ONE!!!!! I think Canelo was a more dangerous fight than Manny because of his size and popularity and people don't want to give him any credit but he can box and has good hand speed. Don't get me wrong, Manny throws punches in flurries and quite possibly has the fastest hands in boxing(up there with Khan)but he has huge flaws. His defense sucks which is why JMM knocked him out cold. Mayweather has height, reach, speed, and is a smarter boxer than JMM, not to mention(according to Sugar Shane)has more power than people realize. Floyd has every right to demand blood testing for Manny who came up almost 30 lbs after getting knocked out by a cab driver in the Philippines to knocking out full blown Middleweights. I don't know why anyone would blame him for doing so.

I am not disagreeing about Floyd's chances. What I am disagreeing on is Floyd's willingness to make the fight. He might not have a thousand excuses, but some of the ones Floyd has made in the past are just downright ridiculous. We he started talking about having to watch out for his health, I knew he was at least a little worried.

Agreed. A few years ago when Manny was quite possibly juicing, I think he could have beaten Floyd but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't bet against Floyd. The way Floyd adapts in fights to guy's styles would have Manny confused. The only chance I give Manny now is a puncher's chance. Maidana caught Floyd at the end of a round that dazed Floyd, so did Mosley so he could get tagged but Manny is so wide open that he'd get countered all day.

4 years ago Floyd's hand speed, foot work and clinch work were all top notch. He would have knocked Manny out 4 years ago rather easily imo.

 

[Iron_Stark]

This is what I don't get. I just posted a link with excuses Arum has made but yet people still blame Floyd. Floyd has made 10 excuses MAX, and I'm not sure it's even 10, I'm just rounding it up to give you guys the benefit. Who the freak would build a stadium for ONE Fight!?! ONE!!!!! I think Canelo was a more dangerous fight than Manny because of his size and popularity and people don't want to give him any credit but he can box and has good hand speed. Don't get me wrong, Manny throws punches in flurries and quite possibly has the fastest hands in boxing(up there with Khan)but he has huge flaws. His defense sucks which is why JMM knocked him out cold. Mayweather has height, reach, speed, and is a smarter boxer than JMM, not to mention(according to Sugar Shane)has more power than people realize. Floyd has every right to demand blood testing for Manny who came up almost 30 lbs after getting knocked out by a cab driver in the Philippines to knocking out full blown Middleweights. I don't know why anyone would blame him for doing so.

Those excuses you posted were quotes from 4-5 years ago, from fighthype.com no less, the biggest Flomo website there is.

Mayweather has more excuses than Arum and anyone else put together at this moment.


And GTFO with the juicing conspiracies, when Pac got knocked out all those years ago at flyweight he was 17 years old. How much did Mayweather weigh at 17 compared to now? I bet you there's a 30 lb difference between now and then.

EDIT: Yep, just as I thought, at 17 Mayweather was competing at 106 lbs for the Golden Gloves, he's now at 147. A 40 lb difference! He must also be juicing huh.

The ones that should be tested for juicing are Mayweather and his loser boxers, who have in FACT been busted for juicing. "I'm cleaning up da sport doe"

I don't know why people think Manny is a "risky" fight for Floyd. It's a proven fact that Manny has trouble dealing with counter punchers and Floyd is the best in the business. He also has every advantage you can think of. I honestly think Manny will be one of Floyd's easiest fights. He'd pick Manny apart. People keep saying he's afraid of Manny but I think it's more of him not wanting to deal with Arum.

Mayweather has always had trouble dealing with left handed fighters and loves feasting on slow plodders, which is the reason he avoided Pac all these years.

Don't get sh** twisted.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Arum got smart. He stopped making excuses, and instead just says nothing. Instead he promotes other potential fights, which for the most part suck. Floyd tries to talk around it, but his ego gets the better of him.

Personally, I don't know why they are talking about Danny Garcia. If that fight actually happens, chances are he beats Manny.

 

[Docker2.0]

I am not disagreeing about Floyd's chances. What I am disagreeing on is Floyd's willingness to make the fight. He might not have a thousand excuses, but some of the ones Floyd has made in the past are just downright ridiculous. We he started talking about having to watch out for his health, I knew he was at least a little worried.


4 years ago Floyd's hand speed, foot work and clinch work were all top notch. He would have knocked Manny out 4 years ago rather easily imo.

I understand what you are saying about the health thing, but again, Manny got knocked out cold by a lightweight years ago. He then goes up to fight Middleweights like Margarito and Cotto, guys known for knocking dudes out and not only taking their best punches but literally asking for them to hit him. That's why he was questioning his health, and I don't blame him one bit.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I understand what you are saying about the health thing, but again, Manny got knocked out cold by a lightweight years ago. He then goes up to fight Middleweights like Margarito and Cotto, guys known for knocking dudes out and not only taking their best punches but literally asking for them to hit him. That's why he was questioning his health, and I don't blame him one bit.

I am not saying I blame him, but that is a reason he used for not making the fight. Which means he didn't want the fight.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I understand what you are saying about the health thing, but again, Manny got knocked out cold by a lightweight years ago. He then goes up to fight Middleweights like Margarito and Cotto, guys known for knocking dudes out and not only taking their best punches but literally asking for them to hit him. That's why he was questioning his health, and I don't blame him one bit.

OMG, when will your delusions stop? Margarito has NEVER been a middleweight, and a few pages ago you said Cotto wasn't a true middleweight and that he was small. Now all of a suddem he's a full blown middleweight? And when Pac/Cotto fought it was at a catchweight of 145, not even close to being a middleweight bout.

Guess you missed my post or are avoiding the truth, here you go again

When Pac got knocked out all those years ago at flyweight he was 17 years old. How much did Mayweather weigh at 17 compared to now? I bet you there's a 30 lb difference between now and then.

EDIT: Yep, just as I thought, at 17 Mayweather was competing at 106 lbs for the Golden Gloves, he's now at 147. A 40 lb difference! He must also be juicing huh.

 

[Docker2.0]

Those excuses you posted were quotes from 4-5 years ago, from fighthype.com no less, the biggest Flomo website there is.

Mayweather has more excuses than Arum and anyone else put together at this moment.


And GTFO with the juicing conspiracies, when Pac got knocked out all those years ago at flyweight he was 17 years old. How much did Mayweather weigh at 17 compared to now? I bet you there's a 30 lb difference between now and then.

EDIT: Yep, just as I thought, at 17 Mayweather was competing at 106 lbs for the Golden Gloves, he's now at 147. A 40 lb difference! He must also be juicing huh.

The ones that should be tested for juicing are Mayweather and his loser boxers, who have in FACT been busted for juicing. "I'm cleaning up da sport doe"



Mayweather has always had trouble dealing with left handed fighters and loves feasting on slow plodders, which is the reason he avoided Pac all these years.

Don't get sh** twisted.

Doesn't matter when he made those excuses, he made them. His excuses are way more ridiculous than Floyd's. But yet you ignore that and focus on Floyd. And with every excuse Arum has used, there is a link that shows where he said them, some were a Filipino website which is known to back Manny.

Arum got smart. He stopped making excuses, and instead just says nothing. Instead he promotes other potential fights, which for the most part suck. Floyd tries to talk around it, but his ego gets the better of him.

Personally, I don't know why they are talking about Danny Garcia. If that fight actually happens, chances are he beats Manny.

I think Danny beats him as well. He thinks it will be an easy fight but he is a better boxer than people give him credit for it. Plus listen to what Arum says after each fight. People don't realize, he already has Vargas lined up to fight Manny next(yet another in house fight)but yet people(like Iron Stark) will blindly blame Floyd yet again for this fight not happening. Unreal!

 

[Docker2.0]

OMG, when will your delusions stop? Margarito has NEVER been a middleweight, and a few pages ago you said Cotto wasn't a true middleweight and that he was small. Now all of a suddem he's a full blown middleweight?

My bad! You are right! Jr. Middleweight but you catch my drift. Getting knocked out by lightweights then taking multiple punches from Jr. Middleweights is an entirely different thing. Unlike you, I can admit I made a mistake.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

OMG, when will your delusions stop? Margarito has NEVER been a middleweight, and a few pages ago you said Cotto wasn't a true middleweight and that he was small. Now all of a suddem he's a full blown middleweight? And when Pac/Cotto fought it was at a catchweight of 145, not even close to being a middleweight bout.

Guess you missed my post or are avoiding the truth, here you go again

When Pac got knocked out all those years ago at flyweight he was 17 years old. How much did Mayweather weigh at 17 compared to now? I bet you there's a 30 lb difference between now and then.

EDIT: Yep, just as I thought, at 17 Mayweather was competing at 106 lbs for the Golden Gloves, he's now at 147. A 40 lb difference! He must also be juicing huh.

Manny was so obviously juicing. His power traveled in a very odd way. But more importantly, his legs started cramping like crazy and his choice of "nutritionist".

And if you want to talk "bad" excuses, being afraid of needles is a classic.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Manny was so obviously juicing. His power traveled in a very odd way. But more importantly, his legs started cramping like crazy and his choice of "nutritionist".

And if you want to talk "bad" excuses, being afraid of needles is a classic.

Oh don't get me wrong, I know there was something fishy in those Ariza Shakes. But to say Pac was the only one doing it, while the entire TMT stable was in fact busted is hypocritical.

The needle excuse was bad, especially when he has a bunch of tattoos.

 

[Doc Samson]

Yeah I mean, even Freddie Roach was out of the loop with what Ariza was doing to Manny. Considering how relatively weak Manny has been since, with no KO's in 5 years, along with other Ariza boxers failing drug tests, I think it's safe to assume he was doing something.

Regardless, unless this fight happens "within the first 6 months of next year" as Arum puts it, it won't happen. Even though I firmly believe this could be an easy fight for Floyd as long as he doesn't try to fight out of character, it would still be the biggest match of his career. I think he would want that last fight on his contract as a rematch possibility...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Docker 2.0 and Iron Stark for Best Rivalry at the Hype Awards.

I know it won't win as not many visit these threads but I'll be nominating you two guys.

 

[Docker2.0]

Docker 2.0 and Iron Stark for Best Rivalry at the Hype Awards.

I know it won't win as not many visit these threads but I'll be nominating you two guys.

Me and Iron Stark!??! You clearly haven't seen him and Doc Samson go at it. I'm just filling in until he comes back to his regular program. Speaking of Iron Stark, got an old article for him to read about his idol Bob Arum. I wonder will he still back him up afterwards.


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/sports/boxing-arum-gives-description-of-payments-to-ibf.html

 

[Fallen Angel]

Oh yeah I forgot about Doc Samson.You guys are awesome.We may have different views but at least we're passionate about the sport in some ways.

 

[Fallen Angel]

My cousin wanted to see this so I thought I'd post this here as well.

Legendary Nights: Tale of Gatti V Ward.

[YT]watch?v=UViOdXG7eGc[/YT]


You guys should watch it if you haven't.