The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Docker2.0]

Doesn't matter. Ward won. Dude your obsession with these guys is crazy.

 

[Iron_Stark]

How doesn't it matter? Since winning the tournament 3+ years ago, Ward hasn't done squat. Froch has done more than him.

So again, why is Ward more deserving of a major PPV payday over Froch, besides the win?

Pretend you're Ward's promotor and I'm the casual audience and the Latino fanbase, tell me why I should buy Ward vs GGG over GGG vs Canelo/Cotto on big Latino holidays, or why I should buy Ward vs JCC Jr over Froch vs JCC Jr in Las Vegas.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well since the tournament, he beat the lineal Light Heavyweight champion of the world and cleaned out his division completely. But I guess that doesn't count huh?

 

[Iron_Stark]

Lmao,

1. Dawson wasn't the lineal Lt HW champion
2. Ward made Dawson come down in weight, so even if Dawson was champ, which he wasn't that fight wasn't a Lt HW fight or for the lineal championship.
3. Defeating Edwin Rodriguez isn't cleaning out the division.
4. Froch did more to clean out the division than Ward did.

Try again.

 

[Docker2.0]

Froch?! Are you serious?! Ok, let's just say you are serious, Ward but the frock out of Froch so what does that say about Ward?

 

[Docker2.0]

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All the people saying GGG is the most avoided man in boxing, here are two guys that have called him out but yet nothing from him. Matter of fact, people completely overlook it and believe what they want to believe. Samething with JCC Jr. I'm not a Chavez Jr fan but for people to say he's afraid of GGG is bs. Arum was trying to trick him and extend his contract to which Julio said no, now everyone is believing the lies or Arum saying he's afraid of him. Not. True. GGG is good but he's being pushed by the media and hyped big time. When he gets in the ring with a boxer, he will get schooled. He's been in the ring with nothing but brawlers thus far.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Sorry Docker but I'm with Iron Stak here. Though Ward did beat Froch easily and it would happen again if they had a rematch.

Lmao,

1. Dawson wasn't the lineal Lt HW champion
2. Ward made Dawson come down in weight, so even if Dawson was champ, which he wasn't that fight wasn't a Lt HW fight or for the lineal championship.
3. Defeating Edwin Rodriguez isn't cleaning out the division.
4. Froch did more to clean out the division than Ward did.

Try again.

 

[Docker2.0]

Sorry Docker but I'm with Iron Stak here. Though Ward did beat Froch easily and it would happen again if they had a rematch.

Wait! So you think Froch did more in his division than Ward did? The difference is that Froch has the UK behind him which makes him a draw and Ward won't fight out of California for whatever reason. There's a reason why GGG, Froch, and Hopson want no part of Ward.

 

[Docker2.0]

One more guy!! Hopkins called out GGG as well but again....................GGG is this monster no one wants a part of but he's been called out numerous times and now he doesn't want it.

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[Fallen Angel]

Wait! So you think Froch did more in his division than Ward did? The difference is that Froch has the UK behind him which makes him a draw and Ward won't fight out of California for whatever reason. There's a reason why GGG, Froch, and Hopson want no part of Ward.

I think so yeah. Ward has been inactive and has fought twice since 2011. Okay he did have a shoulder injury that kept him out for a bit.

Froch has fought in the last 5 years the likes of:

Jean Pascal
Glen Johnson
Andre Dirrell
Arthur Abraham
Lucien Bute
Mikkel Kessler
and George Groves (twice)

That's a who's who of the 168lb division.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think so yeah. Ward has been inactive and has fought twice since 2011. Okay he did have a shoulder injury that kept him out for a bit.

Froch has fought in the last 5 years the likes of:

Jean Pascal
Glen Johnson
Andre Dirrell
Arthur Abraham
Lucien Bute
Mikkel Kessler
and George Groves (twice)

That's a who's who of the 168lb division.

I agree that Froch has done more in the past 5 years but let's be honest, who on that list wants to fight Ward because they know it's a loss but really feel they can beat Froch. Other than Dirrell, I don't see anyone in the division that can challenge Ward and even him I'm not sure about. Groves wants no part of Ward and if he did, he'd get schooled. If Froch knocked him out, I can only imagine what Ward does. And I do acknowledge your boxing knowledge but that darn Iron Stark discredits any TRUE boxer in the sport. If he ain't a brawler, in his eyes they suck.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Oh no doubt I agree with your point a fit and healthy Andre Ward beats all of them quite convincingly as well. Groves isn't ready for him in my eyes. He still needs to fight more durable and legit top 10 contenders of the division.

My point is Froch after that defeat didn't stop and continued fighting the other guys of that division. Where as Ward sat on his a$$ and then made a weight drained Chad Dawson move down to a weight he aint comfortable with.

So Ward is the undisputed #1 of the division, yes but he's been inactive so long that his name get's put in brackets and you have to say Froch is currently the number 1. Ward is the elephant in the room but that elephant is camouflaged you can't see him for the time being.

 

[Docker2.0]

Oh no doubt I agree with your point a fit and healthy Andre Ward beats all of them quite convincingly as well. Groves isn't ready for him in my eyes. He still needs to fight more durable and legit top 10 contenders of the division.

My point is Froch after that defeat didn't stop and continued fighting the other guys of that division. Where as Ward sat on his a$$ and then made a weight drained Chad Dawson move down to a weight he aint comfortable with.

Yeah but there are not to many guys that want to fight Ward. Even Hopkins has said he wanted no part of him so if a legend says it you know there is something there. The biggest thing that all these guys keep saying is he's not a draw but he's the best boxer behind Mayweather.
And I'm not a GGG hater, I just hate the fact that he's hyped up on every media site as the most feared boxer when he has been called out numerous times and now this lie about JCC Jr is being spread when clearly Arum is to blame but people gloss over that fact and make him look like a coward. JCC Jr. is a weedhead and slacker but one thing he is not is a coward. He went against his own management's advice and wanted Sergio, and even though he got schooled, I think that fact screwed up Sergio's career. He does have some talent and I'd put money on a fight between him and GGG that he'd beat GGG because he can not box, only brawl and I believe JCC Jr's weight will play a huge part in that fight.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I get your point about not many boxers not wanting to fight Ward and sighting the money and ticket/PPV sales etc.But you have to remember boxing is not like it was 15 years ago. The best don't or hardly ever fight the best now and money DOES matter to these guys. Lets' be honest here Ward can't sell s**t anywhere bar his own backyard and that barely sells out even.

Hopkins is campaigning at 175lb these days no way he would've come down to fight Ward. He's also made a joke a few years back saying that he would come down to fight Mayweather and people took it seriously.

Golovkin is fighting Martin Murray in February and he should've beat Sergio Martinez but got screwed over in Argentina. I do think he's getting overrated too and his promoters need to match him up with better fighters.

 

[Doc Samson]

JCC Jr. is a weedhead and slacker but one thing he is not is a coward. He went against his own management's advice and wanted Sergio, and even though he got schooled, I think that fact screwed up Sergio's career. He does have some talent and I'd put money on a fight between him and GGG that he'd beat GGG because he can not box, only brawl and I believe JCC Jr's weight will play a huge part in that fight.

If JCC ever committed himself to the sport he'd be light years beyond whatever he is now. When he decides to throw it, he has a pretty good jab as it is, and his in-fighting is decent to begin with as well. If nothing else, he seems to have a damn good chin too. Not saying he'd win, but I think it would be a good step up in challenge, provided JCC took it serious...

 

[Docker2.0]

If JCC ever committed himself to the sport he'd be light years beyond whatever he is now. When he decides to throw it, he has a pretty good jab as it is, and his in-fighting is decent to begin with as well. If nothing else, he seems to have a damn good chin too. Not saying he'd win, but I think it would be a good step up in challenge, provided JCC took it serious...

What are you, a vampire? Do you only post at night now?

 

[Doc Samson]

What are you, a vampire? Do you only post at night now?

Lol, my work schedule switches every 3 weeks. Right now, I'm on nights

 

[Iron_Stark]

I agree that Froch has done more in the past 5 years but let's be honest, who on that list wants to fight Ward because they know it's a loss but really feel they can beat Froch. Other than Dirrell, I don't see anyone in the division that can challenge Ward and even him I'm not sure about. Groves wants no part of Ward and if he did, he'd get schooled. If Froch knocked him out, I can only imagine what Ward does. And I do acknowledge your boxing knowledge but that darn Iron Stark discredits any TRUE boxer in the sport. If he ain't a brawler, in his eyes they suck.

Who the hell is discrediting Ward's boxing abilities? When the hell did I ever say he's UN-talented, or that he can't beat any of those guys, including GGG. QUOTE ME or ****.

Again, apart from beating Froch 3+ YEARS ago, tell me why Ward deserves a big PPV fight? What has he done lately to deserve a big payday?

And I'll ask this again since you only choose to read and answer what you want:

Pretend you're Ward's promotor and I'm the casual audience and the Latino fanbase, tell me why I should buy Ward vs GGG over GGG vs Canelo/Cotto on big Latino holidays, or why I should buy Ward vs JCC Jr over Froch vs JCC Jr in Las Vegas.

 

[Docker2.0]

Who the hell is discrediting Ward's boxing abilities? When the hell did I ever say he's UN-talented, or that he can't beat any of those guys, including GGG. QUOTE ME or ****.

Again, apart from beating Froch 3+ YEARS ago, tell me why Ward deserves a big PPV fight? What has he done lately to deserve a big payday?

And I'll ask this again since you only choose to read and answer what you want:

Pretend you're Ward's promotor and I'm the casual audience and the Latino fanbase, tell me why I should buy Ward vs GGG over GGG vs Canelo/Cotto on big Latino holidays, or why I should buy Ward vs JCC Jr over Froch vs JCC Jr in Las Vegas.

1) The way you post, I thought you were a casual fan.
2) He's the #2 P4P fighter in the world. That should be enough to buy it when he fights the "monster" GGG. GGG vs Cotto won't be close IMO. Not sure about Canelo.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Do GGG vs Cotto at The Garden and you'd sell out. They have a large Puerto Rican community.

 

[Docker2.0]

It would sell out but that fight would be so one sided it's not even funny.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I

1) The way you post, I thought you were a casual fan.
2) He's the #2 P4P fighter in the world. That should be enough to buy it when he fights the "monster" GGG. GGG vs Cotto won't be close IMO. Not sure about Canelo.

That's it? The #2 P4P fighter is your selling point? Really? You really think the casuals and Latino fan base give two flying f-s about Ward being the #2 guy? Smdh.

And you talk about the Cotto/GGG fight not being close and nobody would be intersted, yet Ward/GGG would more likely be a complete shut out also, so why would people be interested in a 12 round boring boxing lesson, over a MW unification bout that would more than likely end in a KO.

And you call me the casual? Lol.

 

[Docker2.0]

I never said no one would want to see GGG/Cotto. I said it would be very one sided because Cotto isn't a MW. GGG/Ward is debatable even though I think Ward wins easily. Not sure why anyone would pay for a one sided ass whooping. And if you can't see my point then you are a casual fan.

 

[Iron_Stark]

You don't even know what the hell you're talking about, you're all over the place.

If Cotto isn't a MW, then GGG isn't a Super MW. So why do you want that fight? Why is it ok for certain fighters to go up in weight and not ok for others? And btw, Cotto is THE middleweight champion of the world, so you're reasoning is off.

Atleast I'm not the only one that knows GGG would be better off financially fighting guys like Canelo and Cotto.

And this sport is after all, all about the money, correct? That's what you've been harping on for ages, seeing what fighter can make the best money out there. Well it wouldn't make any sense for GGG to fight Ward. That fight would not sell. Period.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Cotto isn't a true middleweight. The dude started his career at Lightweight man. It's like saying Roy Jones Jr was a heavyweight. He wasn't a true heavyweight,his best days were at Middle/Super Middle.

Golovkin and his trainer have even said he'll move up to Super Middle eventually once he's cleaned house at Middleweight (His words not mine).