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[jonmon]

Haye was simply scared to engage, he would throw one big punch a round then just try to stay out of Wlad's reach and survive. Not surprised that Haye had an excuse at the end though. Credit to him taking some of those big shots from Wlad.

 

[Docker2.0]

Good fight but nowhere near as lopsided as the judge gave it to Klitschko. Don't get me wrong he won the fight but I was surprised at how many rounds he was given when it was either or draw or dare I say Haye won.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Wait what? All Haye did was flop around, look at the ref for help, run all night and fight like a b****. It was pretty pathetic on his part, especially after all the s-talking he was doing.

 

[ShrinkingMan]

i kinda wanted haye to win. that would have most likely set up a Vitali fight. lord knows heavyweight boxing needed another meaningful fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wait what? All Haye did was flop around, look at the ref for help, run all night and fight like a b****. It was pretty pathetic on his part, especially after all the s-talking he was doing.

He started to flop a lot after the 6th round but let's be real, Wladimir was pushing him a lot in the back of the head. Also, we agree he won the fight but I don't think it was as far a spread as the judges gave it. I've seen more punches thrown in pornos than in that entire fight.

 

[B]

He started to flop a lot after the 6th round but let's be real, Wladimir was pushing him a lot in the back of the head. Also, we agree he won the fight but I don't think it was as far a spread as the judges gave it. I've seen more punches thrown in pornos than in that entire fight.

George Foreman apparently had it neck & neck for the first 8 rounds or so..

Different people see different fights, I think Wlad won but I'd agree with your comments I felt it wasn't a comprehensive a win as at least 1 of the judges gave it. He gave every round to Wlad bar the point deduction one.

Some of the rounds Wlad threw like 30 punches landing only 5 of them because of Haye's head movement & in that same round Haye threw maybe 10 punches landing 4 of them.. and in truth there were no 'big punches' thrown or landed in the fight so I wouldn't say Wlad's 5 were any better than Haye's 4.

For me a round like that would have been Haye's regardless of whether Wlad was the one pressing forward or not. In some cases being the aggressor would win you a decision in my eyes, but not if you are missing a **** load of punches & not landing any cleaner.

 

[jonmon]

Sorry guys but Haye didn't do anything! Im Polish so I root for Adamek in case anyone thinks I am biased but Klitschko easily took 10 or 11 rounds in my book. It was especially sad that Haye didnt even try to go for the KO when it was obvious that Wlad was in total control by the 9th. At that point a fighter with heart will go balls to the wall and not get back on their bike. Brits should be disgusted by Haye's showing. As for Klitschko, he was the aggressor most of the dight and I dont fault him for not knocking out Haye. It takes 2 people to make the fight and Wlad was the only one who showed up. Hope my boy can put a dent in the Klitschko era all though I admit it is unlikely.

 

[B]

Sorry guys but Haye didn't do anything! Im Polish so I root for Adamek in case anyone thinks I am biased but Klitschko easily took 10 or 11 rounds in my book. It was especially sad that Haye didnt even try to go for the KO when it was obvious that Wlad was in total control by the 9th. At that point a fighter with heart will go balls to the wall and not get back on their bike. Brits should be disgusted by Haye's showing. As for Klitschko, he was the aggressor most of the dight and I dont fault him for not knocking out Haye. It takes 2 people to make the fight and Wlad was the only one who showed up. Hope my boy can put a dent in the Klitschko era all though I admit it is unlikely.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that's why there are 3 judges & not 1, because different people judge fights on different things. For example in a couple of rounds Wlad threw for example 40 punches & landed only 5, Haye threw 15 & landed 5, all punches connected with the same amount of intent with none more powerful than the next.. for me personally in a round like that I'd be more inclined to give the round to Haye for making Kitschko miss more & having a better accuracy ratio in that particular round. Unless the fighter is clearly more aggressive & looking to win more, being aggressive wouldn't win a round in my eyes.

As for Klitschko being the aggressor, I wouldn't really agree with that. He didn't really show any true aggression until the final round, but then again so did Haye. Wlad took the centre of the ring & more or less kept Haye at bay, he didn't go after Haye in any sort of aggressive manner, he peppered his face with the odd jab when Haye entered his range but because of Haye's speed & excellent head movement he didn't go after him.

In my opinion neither fighter dominated the fight, I believe Wlad won, but I don't feel it was as comprehensive a win as at least one of the judges gave it ie 11 rounds to 1.

 

[Docker2.0]

Couldn't have said it better B!

 

[Iron_Stark]

I must've seen another fight?? Haye didn't do any of that. He ran, flopped, ran some more, was looking for the ref for help and finally make excuses about a boo boo on his toe.

But you're right Wlad didn't dominate because it is pretty hard for someone to dominate an opponent who's running for 11.5 rounds.

Like Merchant said, that was his big plan to just land one big punch? His biggest fight of his career up to that point and that was his plan?

 

[jonmon]

Well B I disagree with you assessment of the fight but at least we agree Wlad won the fight. I just dont see any scenario where Haye could possibly beat Wlad. He hit Wlad with a couple good punches which didnt put Wlad down. Many people where saying Wlad would be put to sleep with one punch so that strategy goes out the window for Haye. And I dont see any scenario where Haye could out point Wlad, I dont think Haye realized how quick Wlad was until Saturday night.

Basically for me Wlad comprehensively UD Haye and I do NOT want to see a rematch. I dont trust Haye to show up with a game plan to make the fight competitive. In all honesty I dont see anyone in the division who could give the Klit brother's problems. They should fight 2 more years, get their finances in order, give us a couple cool KO's, and then retire in 2013.

 

[B]

I must've seen another fight?? Haye didn't do any of that. He ran, flopped, ran some more, was looking for the ref for help and finally make excuses about a boo boo on his toe.

But you're right Wlad didn't dominate because it is pretty hard for someone to dominate an opponent who's running for 11.5 rounds.

Lets not get silly, saying Haye was running for 11 rounds implys that Klitschko was chasing him.. which he wasn't. He more or less took the middle of the ring, which you'd expect given the fact hes much bigger & the fact that Haye is more of an outside fighter, were he held his ground against Haye who was circling him trying to find an opening.. which there wasn't very many considering Wlad doesn't take very many real risks in fights.

Wlad couldn't dominate him because he couldn't hit Haye due to his superior speed & movement, how many times in the fight did Haye drop his hands & stand stationary allowing Wlad to have a few swings at his head.. which he couldn't even hit properly when Haye was stationary.

Like Merchant said, that was his big plan to just land one big punch? His biggest fight of his career up to that point and that was his plan?

Worked for Haye pretty much in every other fight in his career, he uses his superior speed, movement & feints to draw an opening so he can throw a 1 or a 1, 2.

Haye's plan seemed to be to counter punch Wlad, which is easier said than done because of how Wlad sets himself up.. that being said I think if anyone was gonna trouble Wlad it would be someone like Haye who has good fast head movement & quick powerful punches.

 

[B]

I dont think Haye realized how quick Wlad was until Saturday night.

I thought this as well, I don't think it was a case of Klitschko was quick, I think it was more a case of he was quicker than Valuev with just as long a reach, giving Haye abit of false hope that he could get round his jab as easily as he did with Valuev..

 

[Docker2.0]

I think if they were the same size, Haye would have won easily. Klitschko's reach clearly gave him problems. This is actually the worst thing that could have happened for the heavyweight division. Had Haye won it actually could have woke up that dead division. Now you got 2 champions that people don't care to see.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Lets not get silly, saying Haye was running for 11 rounds implys that Klitschko was chasing him.. which he wasn't. He more or less took the middle of the ring, which you'd expect given the fact hes much bigger & the fact that Haye is more of an outside fighter, were he held his ground against Haye who was circling him trying to find an opening.. which there wasn't very many considering Wlad doesn't take very many real risks in fights.

Wlad couldn't dominate him because he couldn't hit Haye due to his superior speed & movement, how many times in the fight did Haye drop his hands & stand stationary allowing Wlad to have a few swings at his head.. which he couldn't even hit properly when Haye was stationary.



Worked for Haye pretty much in every other fight in his career, he uses his superior speed, movement & feints to draw an opening so he can throw a 1 or a 1, 2.

Haye's plan seemed to be to counter punch Wlad, which is easier said than done because of how Wlad sets himself up.. that being said I think if anyone was gonna trouble Wlad it would be someone like Haye who has good fast head movement & quick powerful punches.

I'm watching the fight again and Haye has yet to set on that McFit sign. He's just now started flopping all over the ring.

There was nothing superior about Haye, he talked all that noise and come fight night he pussed out.

About his big plan (run for 11 and fight the 12th), it may have worked for his fight against Chewbacca, but Chewy was a lumbering punching bag, Wlad is no Chewy.

 

[jonmon]

If you guys dont think Wlad was too quick watch the fight again. There where numerous times where David would wing a punch, Wlad dodged it and popped him with a quick left hook. Wlad was just a better boxer.

And as for the size thing everyone was saying how size doesn't matter and Haye would have an easier time chopping Wlad down because he would get under the jabs and punches. Sorry but this is the heavyweights. A good boxer wins regardless of size. Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson are both shorter than Haye.

What it comes down to is Wlad is a better boxer who knows how to utilize his strengths. Haye came into the fight with the notion that he would scare Wlad ****less with one punch and beat him pillar to post after unsettling him. Well that didnt happen, you dont become undisputed heavyweight champion of the world by being "soft" as many people claim Wlad is. So Haye realized he would get smoked if he tried to engage and decided to play it easy and survive till the bell.

 

[Iron_Stark]

At this point I have more respect for Peter McNeeley with his fight against Tyson than this supposed "savior" of the HW division.

 

[jessica001]

I want to discuss about Mohammad Ali..

 

[Docker2.0]

Jessica?! What is a female doing in a boxing thread?! Get in the kitchen where you belong!!







Seriously what about Ali? He's the greatest of all time, what more can be said?

 

[ShrinkingMan]

i missed the fight but I heard Lara was robbed and the judges gave the victory to Paul Williams. this makes me hate him even more. i'm gonna go watch Martinez knock him out again and again

 

[Docker2.0]

Why would you hate dude? He actually fights who ever comes his way unlike Pacquio and Mayweather. He and Sergio Martinez is everything that is right with boxing, unlike the two boxers I just mentioned.

And yeah I saw the fight was stunned when I saw that Paul Williams won by decision. But then again, I could see how though. Lara got some pretty good shot but Paul was aggressive the entire time. He actually mixed it up. Now would I have given Williams the fight? Heck no! I'd give it a draw at best. But I can understand why the judges did to a degree.

 

[ShrinkingMan]

honestly....






it's because he's 6'2". no other reason. i know it's a dumb reason. i just get ticked off at how much taller he is than the people he fights. he has such broad shoulders, I have no idea how he makes weight at 147/154.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dude I agree. Watching him fight last night they didn't even look like they were in the same weight class! But like I said, he fights anyone who comes his way. He fought a guy that was undefeated when he doesn't even own a title which is rare when everyone in boxing picks safe fights to secure more money. And for that, I give him my respect.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Looks like the three idiot judges that scored the Pwill/Lara fight all got an indefinite suspension by the NJ State Athletic Commission.

Those morons shouldn't be allowed to watch boxing on tv.

 

[Docker2.0]

More than likely they were paid off. Boxing is one of the most corrupt sports in the business, second only to the NBA.