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[DoomsdayApex]

Anyone think JMM can pull the impossible, and win against Pacman a third time?

I certainly believe that Marquez was robbed before (twice). Now that he's older, does any think Juan finally get the judges' nod?

 

[Doc Samson]

He was never humble or professional, he used to call the $5 million he earned from HBO "slave wages"

He was extremely humble early in his career, statements like this are what make me question your knowledge of him in the first place. It's just asinine and wrong, completely. Especially when dealing with idiots like Merchant who repeatedly disrespected him. "Your only fast in the ring" Remember that, during Floyd's postfight with Manfredy, because the man was trying to articulate himself and take his time speaking. He should've yelled on him then, but I digress...

He never called out Mosley or Tszyu

Once again, patently not true, at all. He was trying to get a match with Mosley since before 2000, all the way up to '04. And he publicly called out Tszyu after his match with Chavez.

He got the "Money" moniker from being on WWE

I'm talking about the persona itself, his change of attitude and approach to making the most lucrative fight as opposed to perhaps the most challenging, even though I guarantee you Pacquiao will not be a challenge. At all.

So pretty much he's great because he called out a couple of people, because Merchant was wrong about him and because he has money? smh.

If that's what you got out of that, your dumber than you type. Clearly.

I've yet to see anyone post opponents that Mayweather has fought that were better than Marquez, Barerra and Morales.

Perhaps because you can't read, I've already done that at least 3 times. And once again, Morales beat him the first time, & Marquez was robbed twice. This is less than stellar for your "argument" in his favor lol

Again, without people skirting around the question, I'm not talking about talent, because no one can touch Floyd in that department, but what opponents and what fights have made him better than Pacquiao? What opponents and what fights have made people say "Oh **** did you see that Floyd fight last night? He's going down as an atg!"

Floyd's been great since he was ever mentioned, way back as an amateur, and he's done nothing to change that viewpoint. He's been great for almost 15 years, not just 5. What's Pacquiao done to even be mentioned in the same breath? Beat slow and plodding, over the hill and washed up Welterweights? Beat the same guys Floyd already beat? Is that something to be commended?

 

[Iron_Stark]

He was extremely humble early in his career, statements like this are what make me question your knowledge of him in the first place. It's just asinine and wrong, completely. Especially when dealing with idiots like Merchant who repeatedly disrespected him. "Your only fast in the ring" Remember that, during Floyd's postfight with Manfredy, because the man was trying to articulate himself and take his time speaking. He should've yelled on him then, but I digress...

Once again, patently not true, at all. He was trying to get a match with Mosley since before 2000, all the way up to '04. And he publicly called out Tszyu after his match with Chavez.

I'm talking about the persona itself, his change of attitude and approach to making the most lucrative fight as opposed to perhaps the most challenging, even though I guarantee you Pacquiao will not be a challenge. At all.



If that's what you got out of that, your dumber than you type. Clearly.



Perhaps because you can't read, I've already done that at least 3 times. And once again, Morales beat him the first time, & Marquez was robbed twice. This is less than stellar for your "argument" in his favor lol

Floyd's been great since he was ever mentioned, way back as an amateur, and he's done nothing to change that viewpoint. He's been great for almost 15 years, not just 5. What's Pacquiao done to even be mentioned in the same breath? Beat slow and plodding, over the hill and washed up Welterweights? Beat the same guys Floyd already beat? Is that something to be commended?

Lol, seems like I'm touching a nerve.

Resorting to personal insults now?

So not winning a Gold Medal at the Olympics now makes one a great amateur?

And yes he did say 5 million dollars was slave wages.

But I guess between that, berating his opponents (calling Gatti all sorts of names) and buring $100 dollars bills, makes him a humble person and someone you want to root for, then knock yourself out.

And what exactly has he done in the past 15 years makes him this legendary fighter that will go down alongside the greats?

Seriously, name a couple of fights that will make him go down as an atg.

 

[Doc Samson]

Lol, seems like I'm touching a nerve.

Resorting to personal insults now?

So not winning a Gold Medal at the Olympics now makes one a great amateur?

And yes he did say 5 million dollars was slave wages.

But I guess between that, berating his opponents (calling Gatti all sorts of names) and buring $100 dollars bills, makes him a humble person and someone you want to root for, then knock yourself out.

And what exactly has he done in the past 15 years makes him this legendary fighter that will go down alongside the greats?

Seriously, name a couple of fights that will make him go down as an atg.

So, for argument's sake, say Floyd knocks Pacquiao straight out, would you concede his greatness then or make excuses? Would beating Manny solidify Floyd that much in your eyes? Do you hold Manny in such high regard that only a victory against him can cement a legacy of 42 straight victories? Honestly?

 

[Iron_Stark]

So, for argument's sake, say Floyd knocks Pacquiao straight out, would you concede his greatness then or make excuses? Would beating Manny solidify Floyd that much in your eyes? Do you hold Manny in such high regard that only a victory against him can cement a legacy of 42 straight victories? Honestly?

I give credit where credit is due. If Mayweather were to beat him, what excuses are there to be made? I wouldn't make any just like everyone else clamoring for this fight, on both sides, shouldn't be making excuses.

I still wouldn't put Mayweather in the top 20 atgs, even if he did beat Pacquiao. He wasted too much of his career beating bums like Sosa and Bruseles' to be considered up there.

 

[Docker2.0]

Anyone think JMM can pull the impossible, and win against Pacman a third time?

I certainly believe that Marquez was robbed before (twice). Now that he's older, does any think Juan finally get the judges' nod?

Now that Pacquio's juicing? Not going to happen. And yes, dude did get robbed twice which is why Paq is fighting him again because in his heart he knows he lost both of those fights.

 

[B]

Quote me where I said Mosley and Marquez are/were credible opponents.

Did you ever say it..?

Pacquiao has already been outdoing Mayweather in terms of opponents, and has been for years.

I've yet to see anyone post opponents that Mayweather has fought that were better than Marquez, Barerra and Morales.

In truth though he hasn't really. The likes of Morales, Barerra & Marquez are no better than the likes of Castillo, Chavez, Corrales or Hernandez.. at least on paper.

Pacquiao has been beat by Morales & drew with Marquez on his first fight with both.

Paq defeated Hatton and Delahoya in a more devastating manner than Floyd did.

After Mayweather had already easily beaten & exposed both.

The Hatton that fought Mayweather was the undefeated Ricky Hatton, the Hatton that fought Pacquiao was one that tried to change his style of fighting thanks to Floyd Mayweather Snr. It's no question that the Hatton that fought Mayweather was better & the one that had made it 40 odd fights unbeaten.

Again, without people skirting around the question, I'm not talking about talent, because no one can touch Floyd in that department, but what opponents and what fights have made him better than Pacquiao? What opponents and what fights have made people say "Oh **** did you see that Floyd fight last night? He's going down as an atg!"

I pose the same question back at you, who has Pacquiao beat that is so leaps & bounds ahead of anyone Mayweather has ever fought that make him any better?

Mayweather has fought & largly embarassed 95% of the 42 guys hes fought & beaten with his superior punching skills & defensive ability. Anyone that doesn't think Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers to have ever fought doesn't know a thing about boxing. To be honest if someone actually came out with such rubbish it would instantly make me think they were trolling me & their opinion would mean **** to me from that moment onward.

 

[The Game]

Anyone think JMM can pull the impossible, and win against Pacman a third time?

I certainly believe that Marquez was robbed before (twice). Now that he's older, does any think Juan finally get the judges' nod?

Doubt it.

 

[Doc Samson]

Mayweather has fought & largly embarassed 95% of the 42 guys hes fought & beaten with his superior punching skills & defensive ability. Anyone that doesn't think Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers to have ever fought doesn't know a thing about boxing. To be honest if someone actually came out with such rubbish it would instantly make me think they were trolling me & their opinion would mean **** to me from that moment onward.

 

[antonydelfini]

Here's another article I would like to share

Debunking Floyd Mayweather’s “Pacquiao Myths”

September 29th, 2011
Bryan Parkhurst

It’s been about two weeks since Floyd “Money” Mayweather instigated heavy discussion among boxing fans because his highly controversial victory over Victor Ortiz. Apart from the actual ending to the bout, Mayweather’s post fight antics contributed to the highly debatable night. Yet, no amount of controversy could deviate from the very popular question: When will he fight Pacquiao?

As usual, Mayweather gave everyone the run around and never really answered the question. So, in order to help the process of getting the biggest fight in boxing signed and delivered I have decided to go through every “Pacquiao Myth” introduced by the Mayweather camp and debunk it.


Myth: Pacquiao is famous because of Mayweather
Quote: “ Pacquiao is famous because he is attached to my name. When they say Pacquiao, they say that’s the guy they are trying to get to fight Floyd.”

Actual: Manny Pacquiao is famous in spite of Floyd Mayweather. In 2001 while Mayweather was busy with Diego Corrales, Manny Pacquiao was stealing the show on the undercard of Lewis vs. Tyson. In 2003 Pacquiao broke into boxing fame by stopping the great Marco Antonio Barrera, and then engaged in an epic trilogy with Erik Morales in 2006. In 2006 he was even named fighter of the year and the thought of him fighting Mayweather hadn’t even been looked at.

Myth: Pacquiao only fights Top Rank Fighters

Actual: While this one does carry some truth to it, it also carries some faulty logic. It is true that Pacquiao’s last couple of fights have been with fighters under the “top rank banner” (Mosley,Margarito, Cotto, Clottey). Yet, Floyd Mayweather did exactly the same thing under the “golden boy banner “(De la hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz). The difference is Pacquiao has actually gone outside Top Rank, fighting De La Hoya and Hatton, while Floyd hasn’t stepped out of Golden boy since fighting De La Hoya.

Myth: Pacquiao turned great at 25 years old
Quote: “ I know what happens in this sport. A guy doesn’t all of the sudden get to a certain age and just become good. Certain years, where was this guy at? He all of the sudden just pop up, become good and just punching hard out of the blue? C’mon, make this make sense to me.”

Actual: In order to make sense of this one, one has to look at the time line of both fighters and put them side-by-side. There is no question as to which the more accomplished amateur fighter was, Floyd Mayweather was a multiple golden gloves champ and won a bronze medal in the Olympics. After that he turned pro at age 19. Manny Pacquiao turned pro at age 17. At the age of 21 Floyd Mayweather defeated Genaro Hernandez for his first world title. Manny Pacquiao defeated Chatchai Sasakul for his first world title at 20 years old.

Mayweather at the age of 25 would move up in weight and win the Lightweight Championship, thus making him a two division champion. Pacquiao at 21 years old would skip the Jr. Bantamweight and Bantamweight divisions and win a second title in a second weight class by knocking out Reynante Jamili in the 2nd round. He would then move up and defeat Marco Antonio Barrera for the lineal featherweight Championship. This would make Pacquiao a 3-division champion spanning 5 divisions, where he brutally knocked out 99% of his opposition before he was 25 years old.


By this logic, Manny Pacquiao was a more accomplished fighter before turning 25 than Floyd Mayweather (of course that’s only counting their professional careers). Pacquiao didn’t appear out of nowhere, he just wasn’t in Floyd’s radar.

Myth: Pacquiao is on Steroids
Quote: “ If I were to go up right now to heavyweight and complete with the Klitschkos, you would say Floyd Mayweather is on something. But a man goes up from 105 to 154 and you say oh its all natural”

Actual: Again, in order to explain this better its best to go to a time line because they never lie. The biggest difference between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is the time in which they both became professional fighters.

Floyd Mayweather had a stellar amateur career and opted to turn pro at the age of 19. Manny Pacquiao turned pro at the age of 16 in the Philippines. Manny Pacquiao, from the ages of 16-20 fought in between the 106 -126 lbs. Floyd Mayweather, during his amateur career fought in the Golden Gloves tournament in the 106lbs division at 16 and 114lbs at the age of 17. He then entered the Olympics at 125lbs. So Floyd Mayweather, from the ages of 16-20 fought between 106 – 125lbs before turning pro at 130lbs. By the age of 25 Floyd Mayweather moved up in weight to 135lbs, and by 27 years old he was at 140lbs. Meaning from the age of 20-28 Mayweather was at 130 – 140lbs. Manny Pacquiao after not being able to secure a rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez at featherweight moved up to 130lbs at the age of 27. So from the age of 20- 28 years old, Pacquiao’s average fighting weight would be from 125 – 130lbs.

Mayweather would go on and get all the way up to Jr. Middleweight, where the most he has weighed in was 150lbs. From 28 years old to 34 years old Mayweather’s fought from 140-150lbs. Manny Pacquiao, although he has won a Jr. Middleweight title the highest he has weighed in has been 145 lbs. So from 28 – 32 years old Pacquiao has fought from 130 – 145lbs.

Now, given that both fighter’s weight trajectory has been close to identical there’s only one logical conclusion: Either their both on PED’s or their both clean.


In conclusion, facts are facts. Any boxer in history, when put under the microscope can be discredited even Floyd Mayweather. One myth I didn’t include is whether Floyd Mayweather needs Manny Pacquiao and vice versa. That myth cant be answered yet, it can only be analyzed in 20 years when we look back and remember when the two best boxers of our time either avoided each other for 4 years or gave us one memorable, historic night in boxing. "




And the thing I admire the most about Pacman, he does not bad mouth Floyd even though Floyd is unfairly badmouthing him trying to pull him down. This crab mentality of Floyd is what annoys me the most about him. He may be a boxing genius, but as a man, as a person, he's a *****e. You don't have to pull down another guy to make yourself seem better.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Did you ever say it..?

In truth though he hasn't really. The likes of Morales, Barerra & Marquez are no better than the likes of Castillo, Chavez, Corrales or Hernandez.. at least on paper.

Pacquiao has been beat by Morales & drew with Marquez on his first fight with both.

After Mayweather had already easily beaten & exposed both.

The Hatton that fought Mayweather was the undefeated Ricky Hatton, the Hatton that fought Pacquiao was one that tried to change his style of fighting thanks to Floyd Mayweather Snr. It's no question that the Hatton that fought Mayweather was better & the one that had made it 40 odd fights unbeaten.

I pose the same question back at you, who has Pacquiao beat that is so leaps & bounds ahead of anyone Mayweather has ever fought that make him any better?

Mayweather has fought & largly embarassed 95% of the 42 guys hes fought & beaten with his superior punching skills & defensive ability. Anyone that doesn't think Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers to have ever fought doesn't know a thing about boxing. To be honest if someone actually came out with such rubbish it would instantly make me think they were trolling me & their opinion would mean **** to me from that moment onward.

You seriously did not just say Castillo, Chavez, Corrales, and Hernandez are in the same league as Barerra, Morales and JMM.



And it's not who Paquiao beat, but how he beat them. You say Mayweather embarrassed 95% of his opponents? LMAO, who looked more like the fool in the Baldomir fight? The slow as molasses light hitting chump um "champ" or this mighty superstar boxer who decided to bore everyone to death that night and run for 12 rounds?

And who cares if Paq got beat by Morales in the first fight? A real champ takes on challenges despite there being a chance of a loss.

Who'll go down as the greater champion and a legend, the guy that took on the best available in his era and won and lost some, or the guy that cherry picked his opponents, took it safe to get a win and bored people?

btw, Paq came back and beat Morales twice and beat JMM in the rematch.

As far as who has Paq faced that's better than who Floyd has faced, that's an easy one:

Morales 3x
Barerra 2x
JMM 2x, 1 upcoming
Cotto
Margarito

NO ONE that Mayweather has faced save for Castillo and Coralles back in 2001-2002 or Hatton (maybe) is close to the caliber of those guys.

And your last statement, is laughable, "you don't think highly of my guy, so you're trolling" Give me a break.


@antonydelfini

That article is spot on, Mayweather's a idiot with all those ridiculous quotes.

Myth: Pacquiao is on Steroids
Quote: “ If I were to go up right now to heavyweight and complete with the Klitschkos, you would say Floyd Mayweather is on something. But a man goes up from 105 to 154 and you say oh its all natural”

Actual: Again, in order to explain this better its best to go to a time line because they never lie. The biggest difference between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is the time in which they both became professional fighters.

Floyd Mayweather had a stellar amateur career and opted to turn pro at the age of 19. Manny Pacquiao turned pro at the age of 16 in the Philippines. Manny Pacquiao, from the ages of 16-20 fought in between the 106 -126 lbs. Floyd Mayweather, during his amateur career fought in the Golden Gloves tournament in the 106lbs division at 16 and 114lbs at the age of 17. He then entered the Olympics at 125lbs. So Floyd Mayweather, from the ages of 16-20 fought between 106 – 125lbs before turning pro at 130lbs. By the age of 25 Floyd Mayweather moved up in weight to 135lbs, and by 27 years old he was at 140lbs. Meaning from the age of 20-28 Mayweather was at 130 – 140lbs. Manny Pacquiao after not being able to secure a rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez at featherweight moved up to 130lbs at the age of 27. So from the age of 20- 28 years old, Pacquiao’s average fighting weight would be from 125 – 130lbs.

Mayweather would go on and get all the way up to Jr. Middleweight, where the most he has weighed in was 150lbs. From 28 years old to 34 years old Mayweather’s fought from 140-150lbs. Manny Pacquiao, although he has won a Jr. Middleweight title the highest he has weighed in has been 145 lbs. So from 28 – 32 years old Pacquiao has fought from 130 – 145lbs.

Now, given that both fighter’s weight trajectory has been close to identical there’s only one logical conclusion: Either their both on PED’s or their both clean.

Yep, like it's been said before, they both have weight around the same weight at their respective ages.

This one should put all this steroids, PEDs nonsense to rest. I'd like to see Floyd fans response to this one, it should be good.

 

[Docker2.0]

Stark................dude you are a walking contradiction. Everything you are saying about Mayweather can be said about Pacqiuo. That's what I don't get! It's like people are being blinded towards their fighters for whatever reason. They both cherry pick their opponents(Paq's last couple of fights should be a red flag to how true it is)and with the exception of Margarito, he's fought everyone that Mayweather has fought so how the freak can it be just Mayweather picking his opponents with Paq has fought the exact same opponents. In fact, Paq's next fight is with a guy that Mayweather has beaten already but yet Mayweather is only hand picking his opponents?! Are you serious?! He fought an up and coming boxer, not to mention champion, in Ortiz who was bigger and stronger and just embarassed dude but Pac hasn't fought a dude under 30 in years but yet Mayweather is the only picking his opponents?! Get real. I'm not saying Mayweather will win if they ever fought because I honestly don't know, Paq's all offense while Mayweather is all defense so it's a great contrast in styles...............but I just can't believe how blindly people make excuses for Paq when he actually fights worse fighters than Mayweather. As far as them fighting each other, then Paq should just agree to drug testing, which I now understand that he is doing but for years he would not submit, which again is a red flag. Bah! The double standards are mind boggling!

 

[Doc Samson]

IF this happens, and given Arum's history, I'm almost 100% sure it will, then I don't want to hear ANYTHING else about Floyd being "scared" or ducking this clown. Ever. Again.

Pay particular attention to how this source details precisely how Arum will finesse the drug testing to make it such that the WADA must perform it out of the country, even though they don't collect samples, and specified this already.

http://fighthype.com/pages/content10893.html?PHPSESSID=35c1fef0a73b3dc80171227f6af769b9

 

[B]

You seriously did not just say Castillo, Chavez, Corrales, and Hernandez are in the same league as Barerra, Morales and JMM.



And it's not who Paquiao beat, but how he beat them. You say Mayweather embarrassed 95% of his opponents? LMAO, who looked more like the fool in the Baldomir fight? The slow as molasses light hitting chump um "champ" or this mighty superstar boxer who decided to bore everyone to death that night and run for 12 rounds?

And who cares if Paq got beat by Morales in the first fight? A real champ takes on challenges despite there being a chance of a loss.

Who'll go down as the greater champion and a legend, the guy that took on the best available in his era and won and lost some, or the guy that cherry picked his opponents, took it safe to get a win and bored people?

btw, Paq came back and beat Morales twice and beat JMM in the rematch.

As far as who has Paq faced that's better than who Floyd has faced, that's an easy one:

Morales 3x
Barerra 2x
JMM 2x, 1 upcoming
Cotto
Margarito

NO ONE that Mayweather has faced save for Castillo and Coralles back in 2001-2002 or Hatton (maybe) is close to the caliber of those guys.

And your last statement, is laughable, "you don't think highly of my guy, so you're trolling" Give me a break.

Whatever you say.

 

[Docker2.0]

Did anyone see the Sergio Martinez fight on HBO? If so, did anyone see the ref count? It's funny because the ref counted 1, 6, 7, 8,9, 10 but noone is saying a word about it anywhere. Watch it on HBO and you'll see what I'm talking about. The ref skipped 5 numbers and counted the dude out. This is why a lot of people say that boxing is fixed. And its funny because noone is saying a word about it on any boxing sites.

 

[McgE1877]

Hi there i also like boxing..One of my favorite is many pacquiao i wanna see the very best fight in the world floyd jr and many pacquiao i think this two is match in ring because floyd jr is really good boxer and pacquiao is really fast boxer i am wondering why floyd jr is making news for pacquiao why they don't just fight to know??

 

[Assassin32]

Is anyone excited about Hopkins-Dawson this weekend? Yeah, neither am I.

 

[The Game]

is anyone excited about hopkins-dawson this weekend? Yeah, neither am i.

lol

 

[Assassin32]

And it's a PPV. Embarrassing.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Holy crap I didn't know there was a boxing thread here at the SHHype!

Subscribes!

Hey, does anyone know when the new season of ESPN's Friday Night Fights starts?

Is anyone excited about Hopkins-Dawson this weekend? Yeah, neither am I.

I am, I have always been a BHOP fan, but will I buy the PPV event this weekend? Nays...

Looks like it's P2P streaming for this one.

 

[Docker2.0]

I really do want to see that fight but I can't pay for it. I can't believe they put B-hops on ppv but yet can afford those boring arse Klitchs to fight on HBO. Now that's a waste of money. I'm just going to wait until the hopkins fight comes on HBO.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Find a sports bar and restaurant that shows the pay per views. I usually watch them on the big screen out on the patio of the restaurant I go to. It's usually so busy I don't even buy anything just hangout by a tv.

 

[Doc Samson]

Is anyone excited about Hopkins-Dawson this weekend? Yeah, neither am I.

I am, actually, I'm just not gonna pay for it lol.

I think Hopkins acquitted himself quite nicely against Pascal in his last fight, it was somewhat exciting, and I think Bernard is at the point in his career where he's taking more attempts to be exciting, for whatever reason.

It's similar to Roy Jones, who, after getting knocked out for the first time, seemingly decided to disregard caution and fight rather than box (which I'm not a proponent of by the way, just an observation)

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

I heard the fight ended well.

 

[Doc Samson]

I heard the fight ended well.

Lol, yeah really