The Official Boxing Thread!!!

[Docker2.0]

Arum wants an investigation of the fight now. That's like a fox wanting an investigation of the missing chickens when he just happen to be there at the hen house the previous night.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Another fix job by Bob Arum. No surprise here people.

BTW, I had the fight 116-111 for Manny Pacquiao.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I know one thing that's increasingly starting to get on my nerves. That all of a sudden people cite this as the death knell for boxing. Really?

Just a few months ago Pacquiao got away with a decision he had no business getting against JMM. Where were all the hounds at then? He actually got 3 decisions against Marquez that he shouldn't have, and nobody cared. Now that it's Bradley, it's the death of boxing? Where's the consistency...

America hates Mexicans.

In all seriousness though, yeah it pisses me off that Pacquiao stole (at the very least) two decision victories away from Marquez. It was universal (other than the Pacman fanboys) at the bar I attended for fight when Manny got the decision. 95% of the bar was booing and 'calling BS' on the decision, but nobody on ESPN or HBO had a damn titty attack over it. However, Manny gets screwed this time around and the media goes nuts over Pacman losing -- acting as if Paquiao got drugged prior to the fight.

Justifiably, Juan should be insulted and vexed. He fought his heart out three times against Manny and he got the shaft, yet a fighter like Bradley who clearly got outboxed gets the title.

 

[Doc Samson]

Yeah, it's just the double standard of it all that bothers the hell out of me. He did himself no favors taking off the first 2 minutes of the later rounds, then trying to steal it with late flurries. Bradley isn't the most skilled guy in the world, but he's plenty tough, and applied whatever pressure he could. On a fractured foot no less. No doubt, Pac should've won, but I just want to know where all these people crying foul were for those Marquez fights?

 

[Assassin32]

I don't think Marquez got shafted so much as he simply GOT DROPPED FOUR TIMES. Those points add up, and deservedly so. All three Pacquiao-Marquez wars were razor-thin contests, and if the decisions had been reversed in the Mexican's favor, I believe there would be just as much controversy; those two were made for each other.

This Bradley fight, on the other hand, seems to be another beast entirely. I was working Saturday night, so I'll have to wait for the HBO replay before I can chime in.

 

[Project862006]

manny just needs to make a statement in the rematch

same thing happened in the UFC with Shogun vs Machida everyone felt shogun got robbed and he ko'd machida in the 1st in the rematch to make a statement

 

[Raiden]

Yeah, it's just the double standard of it all that bothers the hell out of me. He did himself no favors taking off the first 2 minutes of the later rounds, then trying to steal it with late flurries. Bradley isn't the most skilled guy in the world, but he's plenty tough, and applied whatever pressure he could. On a fractured foot no less. No doubt, Pac should've won, but I just want to know where all these people crying foul were for those Marquez fights?

I'm not a huge boxing fan, so I don't really care about the perceived double standard against Pacman, and I'm more interested in the fact that this sport is more prone to this kind of judge incompetence than other sports such as Figure Skating which also relied on judges' subjective grading system to determine the winners. And this latest fallout is just going to make people even less enthusiastic about boxing in the future, since many of them are convinced that there's something rotten at the top of the organization.

 

[Assassin32]

same thing happened in the UFC with Shogun vs Machida everyone felt shogun got robbed and he ko'd machida in the 1st in the rematch to make a statement

Spot on.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

america hates mexicans.

in all seriousness though, yeah it pisses me off that pacquiao stole (at the very least) two decision victories away from marquez. It was universal (other than the pacman fanboys) at the bar i attended for fight when manny got the decision. 95% of the bar was booing and 'calling bs' on the decision, but nobody on espn or hbo had a damn titty attack over it. However, manny gets screwed this time around and the media goes nuts over pacman losing -- acting as if paquiao got drugged prior to the fight.

Justifiably, juan should be insulted and vexed. He fought his heart out three times against manny and he got the shaft, yet a fighter like bradley who clearly got outboxed gets the title.

qft.

 

[Doc Samson]

I don't think Marquez got shafted so much as he simply GOT DROPPED FOUR TIMES. Those points add up, and deservedly so. All three Pacquiao-Marquez wars were razor-thin contests, and if the decisions had been reversed in the Mexican's favor, I believe there would be just as much controversy; those two were made for each other.

This Bradley fight, on the other hand, seems to be another beast entirely. I was working Saturday night, so I'll have to wait for the HBO replay before I can chime in.

Well when you see it, you'll understand that while Pac won, it was basically like De la Hoya/Trinidad.

If Pac applied the pressure, he may have gotten him out of there early. Instead he was just taking 2 minutes a round off, then trying to rally with late flurries to steal the round.

As my main criticism of Manny has always been, he's a legendary fighter, but only a marginal boxer. He was swinging, flailing and missing a lot, they both were, as neither of them are really accurate punchers with craft and technique. Pac's been winning by outworking bigger, slower guys. This time, Bradley didn't just stop and let Manny hit him, he was trying to land shots too, and sometimes judges value pressure over anything else. It wasn't right, but Manny's decisions weren't right either.

JMM clearly beat him the last fight, and I feel the 2nd one as well. He was down, but outside of that, he was winning (or should've been winning) almost all the other rounds. Like clearly!

I'm not a huge boxing fan, so I don't really care about the perceived double standard against Pacman, and I'm more interested in the fact that this sport is more prone to this kind of judge incompetence than other sports such as Figure Skating which also relied on judges' subjective grading system to determine the winners. And this latest fallout is just going to make people even less enthusiastic about boxing in the future, since many of them are convinced that there's something rotten at the top of the organization.

Understood, and I agree because I do feel Bob Arum is one of the slimiest human beings ever involved with boxing.

But that can't change the fact that in three fights with JMM, Manny was awarded controversial decisions each time, and hardly anyone cried foul. So I don't want to hear about it being the end of boxing because he finally ended up on the other side of the shaft. It should've been the end of boxing decades ago if that were the case.

 

[Assassin32]

JMM clearly beat him the last fight, and I feel the 2nd one as well. He was down, but outside of that, he was winning (or should've been winning) almost all the other rounds. Like clearly!

Of the 36 rounds they boxed, I have Marquez winning 19 and losing 17. However, because of the nature of how rounds in boxing are scored according to ten-point must systems, I don't have Marquez winning a single fight in the trilogy. It is what it is. They're an evenly matched pair.

As for the Pacquiao-Bradley fight, I can't wait to see it for myself. You're not the first person I've heard evoke De La Hoya-Trinidad.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Of the 36 rounds they boxed, I have Marquez winning 19 and losing 17. However, because of the nature of how rounds in boxing are scored according to ten-point must systems, I don't have Marquez winning a single fight in the trilogy. It is what it is. They're an evenly matched pair.

Wow this gave me a laugh, you must have been watching those fights with your eyes closed.

 

[antonydelfini]

Marquez had a clearer "victory" against Manny in their 3rd fight than Manny's "victory" against Bradley. I gave Bradley the 1st 2 rounds for his counter punching, rounds 3-9 for Manny for hurting Bradley although hr fought in spurts and only 1 minute of each round, and Bradley the last 3 rounds for potshotting Manny and Manny doing nothing but rest. Definitely an Oscar-Felix situation.

 

[killface]

i saw the fight as bradley negating pacquiao's style most of the fight. well, except for the middle rounds where it certainly appeared to me as bradley on his way to getting knocked out. why pacquiao let up in his attack during that time bothered me right then and there. i mean come on pacquiao, keep up and the pressure and bradley's going down.

i didn't see the decision as a highway robbery of colossal proportions but a decision that could have gone either way. i wouldn't mind if bradley lost by account of the stats and manny as the champion and being the aggressor but i also don't mind that pacquiao lost if it was based on "style" (style wouldn't really be that much of an applicable term because watching bradley fight that fight was like watching a stuck pig bleed to death).

pacquiao-marquez 3 was the highway robbery that actually irked me.

i definitely gave rounds 1-3, 10-12 to bradley
rounds 4-7 to pacquiao
8-9 was too close to call and could have gone either way.

 

[Doc Samson]

^ That's basically how I had it. Honestly, Pac's whole demeanor lately is strange to me. Perhaps the media talk about him finding religion affecting his aggression is true. But the past 3 fights he's looked less than impressive, at least for someone as ferocious as his fans make him out to be.

He could've gotten Mosley out of there early too, and did the same exact thing. Obviously I think he lost to JMM, and now this? Maybe that hunger really isn't there, or it's a situation that I speculated about here:

I agree, but I will say this: I'm concerned with Manny's interest level in this fight to begin with. It's something I wasn't so worried about with Floyd because Floyd knew Cotto had the potential to beat him if he wasn't focused.

Bradley doesn't really have any sort of reputation or legacy yet, and obviously the whole world is going to be more concerned with what Pacquiao has to say in regards to Mayweather than the fight itself. They're not in the same league, and clearly anything going to the cards won't be in Bradley's favor no matter what he does. But it's not like Manny is hard to find, he's absolutely susceptible to getting caught with a lucky shot.

Lol, guess I was wrong about that decision not being in his favor though, but I think the only fight he'll really get up for is Mayweather. Unfortunately, he doesn't call his own shots, and has to fight when, where, and who, Arum says...

 

[killface]

the media hype is what's bothering me more than anything. it just looks like media hyping up the rematch and not really a show of sincere concern for how boxing is such a seedy industry.

as for pacquiao, my assessment is that he has lost a step and along with that, his passion for boxing isn't what it used to be. i mean come on, he may be the star of the show but choosing to watch the heat-celtics game over going out there and whoop bradley's ass in no time is very telling.

and i really hate to say it but pacquiao is just arum's stooge. he fights whoever arum wants to fight. which is why i hate pacquiao for not pressuring arum to make the mayweather fight happen. pacquiao's an arum yes-man through and through

 

[B]

****ing Bob Arum strikes again, ****ing tube.. how has this crook not been investigated & banned from boxing already.

1 of 2 things happened the other night, either it was another Bob Arum fix or else the judges scoring the fight don't have a clue how to score a boxing fight & need to be fired ASAP. It's one or the other.

I've only watched the fight once (for free thank goodness) & I'm not gonna be watching the fight again, nor will I pay Bob Arum a single cent/penny for a rematch. However that aside, it would have been generous to keep the fight within 4 rounds between the 2 fighters in favour of Pacquiao nevermind actually scoring the fight against him.

Bob Arum is actually playing it up touting that it was a crazy decision, of course he is he ****ing wants the 2 back in the ring for a rematch so the wanker can get paid twice for the same fight.

 

[Harley2004]

So apparently the results before hand in wwe wrestling are less certain than boxing.

 

[Assassin32]

Wow this gave me a laugh, you must have been watching those fights with your eyes closed.

No, I had my eyes wide open for every single time Marquez was dropped on his ass with a laser left hand.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Of the 36 rounds they boxed, I have Marquez winning 19 and losing 17. However, because of the nature of how rounds in boxing are scored according to ten-point must systems, I don't have Marquez winning a single fight in the trilogy. It is what it is. They're an evenly matched pair.

As for the Pacquiao-Bradley fight, I can't wait to see it for myself. You're not the first person I've heard evoke De La Hoya-Trinidad.

Talk about a fanboy.

90% of the boxing community saw that JMM beat Pacquaio.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

No, I had my eyes wide open for every single time Marquez was dropped on his ass with a laser left hand.

Not sure if you know this (which clearly you don't), but in boxing the point is you have to win "ROUNDS" in a 10 point must system and not the amount of times you drop your opponent in 2 fights.

This might be shocking to you, but if a boxer gets drops 3 times in one round that boxer can still win if he wins the other rounds.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Just a survey I'm conducting;
Is anyone even remotely excited for Haye vs Chisora?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Just a survey I'm conducting;
Is anyone even remotely excited for Haye vs Chisora?

Not excited, but I'll watch it.

I hope Chisora beats the crap outta Haye.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Not excited, but I'll watch it.

I hope Chisora beats the crap outta Haye.

Yeah I'll probably watch it. I don't care who wins as long as they both get hurt.
Not likely though.

 

[Poeman]

That is real