The Official Boxing Thread!!!

[Docker2.0]

Yet when Paq fights him, he's ok. Do you listen to yourself? ESPN's Dan Rafael refers to you Paq supporters and "Pactards" because you blindly follow dude no matter how wrong he is. I've said numerous times in the past, that both Paq and Mayweather are wrong for not fighting each other but the real problem isn't either of them it's BOB ARUM, but yet people like you continue to blame Mayweather only. And yeah, I know you are going to say "noooooo, I blame them both! but the truth is, every post you make is about Mayweather being a coward or something to that affect. It gets old dude.

 

[Doc Samson]

They both b***ed out of fighting Martinez. What's your point. You're sayin Jr needs to find some balls to fight Maravilla, yet never say the same thing about Mayweather, and now that Jr is fighting Sergio, you stay quiet. You also implied that Jr was scared to fight Sergio, then say no professional fighter is scared to fight other fighters as soon as I say the same thing about Mayweather, typical hypocracy from you.

The point is you act like Manny is some type of unstoppable gladiator but call Floyd scared, when they both have done the exact same things. Almost every fighter in history could be accused of not taking a fight at the right time, so what's your point, if you have one? Be consistent, at least, or be quiet.

And I don't know where your getting the rest of that nonsense, I've never called any fighter or boxer scared, you must be confusing me with somebody else. That's the crap you always say, and I always check you on it.

 

[Iron_Stark]

You just got through saying JCC Jr needs to grow some balls and fight Martinez! Are you dense or something? He's signed on to fight Martinez in Septmber, what say you? Whether he gets ko'd in the 1st or survives to hear the last bell, he will be doing something that Mayweather and Pac didn't want to do, fight Martinez.

You're the one that needs to be consistent or be quiet.

Like I said hypocrasy at its finest from you.

@Docker, who the hells talking about Pac right now? Doc said Chavez Jr needs to grow some balls and fight Martinez. I've never heard him say the same about Mayweather. He also implied Chavez was scared, since he didn't have the balls to fight Martinez, yet when I say the same about Mayeather he gets defensive and starts ranting that no professional prize fighter is scared of anyone.

Like I've said plenty of times, you two are only bias towards fighters of a certain skin color, had Canelo backed out of fighting Kirkland we would've been hearing it from you two. Hypocrites are what y'all are.

 

[Docker2.0]

You just got through saying JCC Jr needs to grow some balls and fight Martinez! Are you dense or something? He's signed on to fight Martinez in Septmber, what say you? Whether he gets ko'd in the 1st or survives to hear the last bell, he will be doing something that Mayweather and Pac didn't want to do, fight Martinez.

You're the one that needs to be consistent or be quiet.

Like I said hypocrasy at its finest from you.

@Docker, who the hells talking about Pac right now? Doc said Chavez Jr needs to grow some balls and fight Martinez. I've never heard him say the same about Mayweather. He also implied Chavez was scared, since he didn't have the balls to fight Martinez, yet when I say the same about Mayeather he gets defensive and starts ranting that no professional prize fighter is scared of anyone.

Like I've said plenty of times, you two are only bias towards fighters of a certain skin color, had Canelo backed out of fighting Kirkland we would've been hearing it from you two. Hypocrites are what y'all are.

JCC Jr ducked Martinez for almost 2 years which is why he has been criticized. Most critics agree with that statement. He has been a protected fighter. And go back a few pages and you will see that I said noone wants to fight Martinez because he's probably the most feared fighter in boxing and I don't blame Mayweather or Paq for ducking him. Yet you only seem to blame Mayweather when Martinez has called out Paq constantly. Dude leave race out of this. No one has mentioned race at all except for you. Martinez and Chavez are both hispanic so how the freak is that racist? And I've stated numerous times Paq is good but the problem is Bob Arum. Only racist call other people racist when race isn't even brought up.

 

[Doc Samson]

You just got through saying JCC Jr needs to grow some balls and fight Martinez! Are you dense or something? He's signed on to fight Martinez in Septmber, what say you? Whether he gets ko'd in the 1st or survives to hear the last bell, he will be doing something that Mayweather and Pac didn't want to do, fight Martinez.

You're the one that needs to be consistent or be quiet.

Like I said hypocrasy at its finest from you.

This proves your almost certainly clinically insane! Lol, please, find the page, the quote, whatever, when I said anything about JCC needing balls to fight Martinez? Please!! Docker might've said that, I sure as hell didn't, and as usual, you probably skimmed through a comment, got confused, and blurted out garbage. Wouldn't be the first time

I've said that Arum built JCC up on tin-cans, and I stand by that, he's done that with plenty of his fighters. But needing balls? You would say something like that, I don't even type like that.

I actually think JCC could beat Martinez, not because he's a better boxer, he's clearly not, but because he could very well show up 20-30 pounds bigger on fight night. And I don't think Sergio has enough strength to stop JCC from crowding his space and bullying him inside and against the ropes. So what the hell are you talking about?

Dude leave race out of this. No one has mentioned race at all except for you. Martinez and Chavez are both hispanic so how the freak is that racist? And I've stated numerous times Paq is good but the problem is Bob Arum. Only racist call other people racist when race isn't even brought up.

Now this is true, I've already broken down how Floyd exploits race to amplify his role as the "villain" but also employs more varied races than almost any other fighter does. I see hispanic and white people on Floyd's team, I don't see that many black people on most hispanic or white fighter's teams, if at all. Unless it's Emanuel Steward, of course .

Stark on the other hand, I've never seen praise any black fighter, so you might be right, I think he just might have that side to him. But I've dealt with his kind in my everyday life, he's gonna have to come with something better to these debates.

 

[B]

Right I decided to rewatch the Paquiao/Bradley fight again after I got a lend of it from a mate who'd recorded it onto a DVD. This time around I was actually watching the fight closer/better than I was when it was going on live.

I'll be the first to admit my initial reaction after the fight was vurtually a clean sweep of rounds for Pacquiao & that the judges needed to be fired. I'd still say that perhaps Pacquiao just should have edged a decision.. maybe/possibly, however my opinion is that the fight was much, much closer than what I originally thought it was.

I wish I had the time to count up the punch stats for the fight myself because one thing I am certain of that I've seen several places, Pacquiao didn't land 253 proper punches on Bradley.. if he did land 253 punches, I'd like to see what those 253 punches looked like because I'm seeing alot of punches missing completely due to Bradley weaving/ducking, hitting Bradley's glove as he pats his hand away then Pacquiao getting counterstruck.

Just look at Bradley's face, it was vurtually unmarked. If Pacquiao landed 253 punches then I'd question the actual quality of the punches in the first place given that there isn't even any swelling. In saying that though I do think Pacquiao did outland him, however based upon my initial impression after watching the fight again I think the stats should be much, much closer..

 

[Docker2.0]

I have to agree B. I have Paq still winning the fight but it was closer than people realize because I just don't trust compubox. There was one round where they had Paq landing 100 punches and Bradley landing only like 13 and I know for a fact that Bradley landed more than that. I still think Paq got robbed but I agree, if you watch it on mute without listening to the bias commenting on HBO and the crowd, it was a much closer fight.

 

[Assassin32]

Pacquiao won eight rounds to four for me.

 

[Docker2.0]

Pacquiao won eight rounds to four for me.

Sounds good to me. Most people I know have it a shut out which is far from true. Manny to a few minutes off in some rounds which I think cost him, though I truly think Arum is trying to build up his next cash cow.

 

[Raiden]

WBO: Pacquiao should have won

Kind of useless since it doesn't reverse the judges' decision for the fight, but at least it validates what everyone has been saying after the victory was given to Bradley erroneously.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You're not too bright either. You pulled that ninety percent out of your ass. No such figure exists. No such figure can even be calculated because of the sophomoric way you formed your statement.

Pacquaio lost to Marquez. Deal with it. You may not be fond of the idea that your boy lost to JMM but it happened. While the percentage is slightly exaggerated, it is clear as day that the mainstream media and social networking sites in the Philippines, Mexico and America favored Marquez after 12 rounds, not Paquiao.

 

[Assassin32]

Pacquaio lost to Marquez. Deal with it. You may not be fond of the idea that your boy lost to JMM but it happened. While the percentage is slightly exaggerated, it is clear as day that the mainstream media and social networking sites in the Philippines, Mexico and America favored Marquez after 12 rounds, not Paquiao.

I disagree. Any other dead horses you'd like to dig up?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Right I decided to rewatch the Paquiao/Bradley fight again after I got a lend of it from a mate who'd recorded it onto a DVD. This time around I was actually watching the fight closer/better than I was when it was going on live.

I'll be the first to admit my initial reaction after the fight was vurtually a clean sweep of rounds for Pacquiao & that the judges needed to be fired. I'd still say that perhaps Pacquiao just should have edged a decision.. maybe/possibly, however my opinion is that the fight was much, much closer than what I originally thought it was.

I wish I had the time to count up the punch stats for the fight myself because one thing I am certain of that I've seen several places, Pacquiao didn't land 253 proper punches on Bradley.. if he did land 253 punches, I'd like to see what those 253 punches looked like because I'm seeing alot of punches missing completely due to Bradley weaving/ducking, hitting Bradley's glove as he pats his hand away then Pacquiao getting counterstruck.

Just look at Bradley's face, it was vurtually unmarked. If Pacquiao landed 253 punches then I'd question the actual quality of the punches in the first place given that there isn't even any swelling. In saying that though I do think Pacquiao did outland him, however based upon my initial impression after watching the fight again I think the stats should be much, much closer..

I gotta agree here.

My first viewing of the fight was on a horrible live web stream, I had Pac 117-111, but then on my second viewing on HBO in HD I had the fight 115-113 for Pac...

I guess I shouldn't drink so much alcohol when I am watching boxing.

 

[Docker2.0]

F-ing drunk!











So was I.......fyi

 

[FCEEVIPER]

F-ing drunk!











So was I.......fyi

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[FCEEVIPER]

Antonio Tarver Fails Drug Test in California After Kayode Fight

Antonio Tarver escaped with a draw on June 2 in Carson, Calif., against Lateef Kayode, and now, he's got far bigger problems. The 43-year-old Tarver has tested positive for a banned substance in his post-fight drug tests administered by the California State Athletic Commission.

Steven Feder, Kayode's manager, and CSAC chief inspector Che Guevara spoke about the matter on Friday morning.

"I'm aware of the situation, and I'm going to meet with Lateef this afternoon, and once I do we'll come out with an official comment," said Feder. "We're just very surprised that someone of his stature would even take a risk and even do this. Neither one of us ever thought that someone at this level would ever do this."

Now, it's not clear what the drug was -- it could be a steroid, it could be testosterone, or it could be something that helped him make weight, like a diuretic. It could be marijuana. It could be a lot of things.



But we've got to get away from guys acting all "shocked" after these things happen. Feder has to be aware that this is happening. I mean, what on earth would make these people in boxing believe that "high-level" fighters wouldn't cheat? High-level athletes in every single sport have cheated. Why in the world would boxing be any different?

It sort of does a disservice to the campaign to get this sport regulated with real drug testing. Acting surprised is pretending there's not a problem that everyone knows is a problem.

The only thing that really, truly surprises me about this is that someone of Tarver's stature failed a state athletic commission's test.

As far as I know, Tarver is scheduled to work in the commentary booth tomorrow night on Showtime for the Victor Ortiz vs Josesito Lopez fight.

Stupid Tarver, I Showtime cans his arse!

 

[Doc Samson]

Welp, we may have seen the last of Victor Ortiz...

 

[Project862006]

like freddie roach said

victor has no heart

great boxer with tons of talent but no heart to back it up

 

[Iron_Stark]

Lol, and to think people actually thought Ortiz was a legitimate foe for Mayweather. He's a mental midget the likes of Zab Judah and Golota.

GBP should now look to see if they can get a fight made with Lara, Berto or even Josesito to fight Canelo. If they don't find anybody to fight Canelo, they should get him a can to fight and put it on network tv.

 

[Docker2.0]

Berto was positive for PED's so I doubt Canelo fights him. Lara would be a good fight for him. I can see Lara actually beating him. Dude is clearly underrated as he got robbed in the Paul Williams fight.

 

[Project862006]

^solid fights but none are ppv worthy outside of a cotto fight

 

[Iron_Stark]

Berto was positive for PED's so I doubt Canelo fights him. Lara would be a good fight for him. I can see Lara actually beating him. Dude is clearly underrated as he got robbed in the Paul Williams fight.

Forgot about Berto testing positive.

I would love to see a Lara/Canelo fight, but I doubt GBP would. I imagine they would steer clear from him.

@Project862006, yeah Cotto would be another good matchup for Canelo and PPV worthy.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I attended the event last night, it was a great night for boxing. (Maybe because it wasn't a Top Shank Promotions)



But I am so bummed that Soto lost, I was so sure he would KO Lucas Matthysse. Soto was such a let down.

 

[Nightmare]

Nice shot. Nice seats.

On the Ortiz fight. I saw at the end of the fight, his counter pushed him to keep going even though he suffered a broken jaw in round 1. But Ortiz looked over his corner called the ref over and said he was done.

 

[Docker2.0]

I was shocked that he did that with only 2 rounds to go. Dude is clearly a mental midget. Something is missing upstairs. He could have ran away the last two rounds but then again, a broken jaw is nothing to play with.