I never cared for the height-weight thing. Mike Tyson is 5'11'', and he was a heavyweight, Thomas Hearns was junior middleweight and welterweight and he's 6'1''! People are just built different from each other. The same with Donaire, he was more devastating at bantamweight than super bantamweight. But he's got to rise in weight and beat the top dogs in order to be real elite.
Like you said though, it's about how they're built, specifically in bone.
Tyson was only 5'11, but he's
naturally a Heavyweight, whereas someone like Evander, who's very muscular, is more of a "gym" Heavyweight, somebody who built muscle (and took some roids
) to achieve and sustain his weight. Even still, he's not as densely structured as a true Heavyweight.
It's the same dynamic at play with Donaire & JCC, they're both structured to naturally carry more weight then their current class would suggest, and at least in JCC's case, I think it's the only reason he's lasted this long with his style of fighting. I believe he has a chance to beat Sergio primarily because of this factor. I don't know how well Sergio can stand up to someone he can't put any space between.
No way is Ward above Floyd right now. He's good but he hasn't done enough yet to pass Floyd. I really don't see how Donaire is top 5 p5p, who has he beaten? I think dude is clearly overrated. As far as Chavez beating Martinez, it's not going to happen. Sergio's style is going to give Jr problems. The problem about protecting fighters is it hurts them long term and Chavez is not ready for this fight and never will be. But we agree Doc that the winner should fight Ward, but it won't happen. They are to busy trying to drop weight and fight Floyd.
I agree its too early, but I've been telling you guys for over a year now that Andre is the real deal. I think he'll be the P4P best throughout this decade when it's all said and done.
I still feel Martinez is going to have problems getting JCC off of him, and creating that space to engage him properly. Over time, it could wear him down. In no way, shape or form do I think JCC is an equal boxer or talent, but I think his size allows him to do the one thing he does pretty well, inside fighting.
Oh and Kobe sucks.
Now now Doc, this isn't the place for that. Although I know what you really meant to say was the NY Knicks suck!