Superman Returns The Official Brandon Routh IS Superman thread.

[Thunder Emperor]

keep ranting starvingartist, just keep ranting.

 

[Puckenstein]

You know, I hate to perpetuate another Welling rant, but how the hell can anyone go so far as to say Routh looks NOTHING like Superman and say Welling does? Welling doesn't have a square jaw, his nose is wide with constantly flaring nostrils, and his lips are ginormous. Superman.....doesn't.....look.....like....that. Period. He has in general hardly ever been drawn with any of those features let alone all of those features together. Sure an artist here and there may have put their personal stamp on their rendering of Superman by giving him whatever feature; but all around, Superman has thinner lips, a big square jaw, and a smallish nose sans raging bull nostrils. They chose Welling because he has a boyish face and would attract female fans because Smallville is Dawson's Creek but with Superman. Not because he was the spitting image of Superman per se. Routh's Jaw is huge, his nostrils aren't gaping, and his lips aren't nearly as Jolie as Wellings. Welling could very well be "an interpretation" of superman (he's not even superman, if anything he's the equivalent of superboy) but that's it. Routh fits that generic Superman look so much more, not to mention his voice is a hell of a lot deeper then Wellings.

Ok, I'm not a huge Schmelling fan, but I have to address some of your points. You're right - many times Schmellign doesn't look like Superman. He does have features which aren't traditionally drawn on Superman (I stress drawn, because that's what Superman is - a drawing - how can anyone look identical to a sketch of a fictional character?)

But Routh is in the same boat. Routh doesn't look exactly like Superman either, from the pictures we've seen. You see, that's where costume designers, trainers, makeup and artists come into play.

Routh is putting on pounds of muscle to make him have more of Superman's physique. I'm sure he'll meet up with a hair stylist at some point which will crop that mane of his and give him the signature curl.

Bottom line - BOTH Routh and Welling need changes made to themselves physically in order to look more like Superman. You can argue all day long that Welling doesn't look like Superman, but at the end of the day, neither does Routh until they are groomed. If you put them in the proper attire, with the proper physique and the proper style, they BOTH look like Superman.

 

[The Sage]

keep ranting starvingartist, just keep ranting.

Please do, as we need someone to counterbalance your ranting.

 

[gdw]

I agree with you mostly SA, but it's interesting that you described Superman as 'Thin lipped and small nosed' Add his squintyish eyes in there and it's everything Rouith is not actually, lol.

Just playing devils advocate here for fun

The square jaw mind you definatly.
But Routh has still big lips, especially his lower one, and a big nose and very wide eyed, Superman is not wide eyed.

But he does look more like Superman then Welling. It is only because Welling has become accepted so much by being on Smallville for so long. If they had cast Routh on Smallville then he would be far more accepted as well. I remember when I first saw the pic of Routh when he was cast I though 'I could see him being cast in Smallville too' but we got Welling there, and he suits the role and we have just grown acustom to his face, hehe.

But he is not Superman. Although I'm sure he could be made to look alot older, he would still not look as good as Superman, IMO, and he most definately could not pull it off acting wise. Although his acting has improved andprobably will continue to he is not that great.

I don't know how good or bad Routh is mind you, but I DO know that Welling is not good enough.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

Ok, I'm not a huge Schmelling fan, but I have to address some of your points. You're right - many times Schmellign doesn't look like Superman. He does have features which aren't traditionally drawn on Superman (I stress drawn, because that's what Superman is - a drawing - how can anyone look identical to a sketch of a fictional character?)

But Routh is in the same boat. Routh doesn't look exactly like Superman either, from the pictures we've seen. You see, that's where costume designers, trainers, makeup and artists come into play.

Routh is putting on pounds of muscle to make him have more of Superman's physique. I'm sure he'll meet up with a hair stylist at some point which will crop that mane of his and give him the signature curl.

Bottom line - BOTH Routh and Welling need changes made to themselves physically in order to look more like Superman. You can argue all day long that Welling doesn't look like Superman, but at the end of the day, neither does Routh until they are groomed. If you put them in the proper attire, with the proper physique and the proper style, they BOTH look like Superman.

thank you for a clear post there.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

Please do, as we need someone to counterbalance your ranting.

hey he is straving and needs a job. so i say he should go for it.

Goi starvingartist, go and keep ranting...

 

[Thunder Emperor]

I agree with you mostly SA, but it's interesting that you described Superman as 'Thin lipped and small nosed' Add his squintyish eyes in there and it's everything Rouith is not actually, lol.

Just playing devils advocate here for fun

The square jaw mind you definatly.
But Routh has still big lips, especially his lower one, and a big nose and very wide eyed, Superman is not wide eyed.

But he does look more like Superman then Welling. It is only because Welling has become accepted so much by being on Smallville for so long. If they had cast Routh on Smallville then he would be far more accepted as well. I remember when I first saw the pic of Routh when he was cast I though 'I could see him being cast in Smallville too' but we got Welling there, and he suits the role and we have just grown acustom to his face, hehe.

But he is not Superman. Although I'm sure he could be made to look alot older, he would still not look as good as Superman, IMO, and he most definately could not pull it off acting wise. Although his acting has improved andprobably will continue to he is not that great.

I don't know how good or bad Routh is mind you, but I DO know that Welling is not good enough.

its all a matter of opion. inmy view routh looks tomuch like reeve and les like superman.but that is an opinon. in the end we will see how Routh copes with all the pressure. and all thsoe stupid routh fan, can please shu up. they have never seent he guy act in anything concrete. so no one know how well he will pull it off, and also since he has no experince. all we can say is that his credit rating as an actor is 1.

 

[Crazymaverick]

I agree with you mostly SA, but it's interesting that you described Superman as 'Thin lipped and small nosed' Add his squintyish eyes in there and it's everything Rouith is not actually, lol.

Just playing devils advocate here for fun

The square jaw mind you definatly.
But Routh has still big lips, especially his lower one, and a big nose and very wide eyed, Superman is not wide eyed.

But he does look more like Superman then Welling. It is only because Welling has become accepted so much by being on Smallville for so long. If they had cast Routh on Smallville then he would be far more accepted as well. I remember when I first saw the pic of Routh when he was cast I though 'I could see him being cast in Smallville too' but we got Welling there, and he suits the role and we have just grown acustom to his face, hehe.

But he is not Superman. Although I'm sure he could be made to look alot older, he would still not look as good as Superman, IMO, and he most definately could not pull it off acting wise. Although his acting has improved andprobably will continue to he is not that great.

I don't know how good or bad Routh is mind you, but I DO know that Welling is not good enough.

Well put, and BTW kudos on the new Superman art!

 

[StarvingArtist]

Cheeky and fun? I must have missed that memo.

I was referencing supertroopers

 

[Zo Knows]

we are not asking you to be routh's fan and as a matter of fact, we are not his fan, at least not yet. but as a fan of superman, we do hope him can succeed, we do hope that he can perform as well as reeve and make the people believe again, in 'goodness', we do hope that the movie can truimph in the big screen...

Well done.

Nobody thinks Routh is a great actor. I mean, come on, it's not like anyone was petitioning the guy for the role, much less had anyone even heard of him before. It's impossible to judge his acting, because we haven't seen him deliver more than, what, 10 lines of dialogue? However, we all just want to give him a chance to prove himself before writing him off, simply because he IS in the role, it's his, no questions about it, and just by that fact, he's key to the movie's success. And ultimately, we'd all like to see this movie break every kind of record (which no one can say it won't, seeing as we have NO reliable info...not even a correct WB press release!...on the film's content yet). Why do we all want to jump on the bandwagon? Not because anyone thinks Singer is the second coming of Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick...But because - dammit - the public needs a good dose of Superman again! It's been long enough!

I ask you, all the people who complain about "narrow-mindedness" in this forum...Is that so wrong?

 

[Ruthmarks]

Well done.

Nobody thinks Routh is a great actor. I mean, come on, it's not like anyone was petitioning the guy for the role, much less had anyone even heard of him before. It's impossible to judge his acting, because we haven't seen him deliver more than, what, 10 lines of dialogue? However, we all just want to give him a chance to prove himself before writing him off, simply because he IS in the role, it's his, no questions about it, and just by that fact, he's key to the movie's success. And ultimately, we'd all like to see this movie break every kind of record (which no one can say it won't, seeing as we have NO reliable info...not even a correct WB press release!...on the film's content yet). Why do we all want to jump on the bandwagon? Not because anyone thinks Singer is the second coming of Orson Welles or Stanley Kubrick...But because - dammit - the public needs a good dose of Superman again! It's been long enough!

I ask you, all the people who complain about "narrow-mindedness" in this forum...Is that so wrong?

I agree with you completely, Zo.

Unfortunately, the people taking a consistently negative view towards the film aren't going to see it that way. Usually it's because (a) they didn't get their choice for Superman and will complain bitterly until the film is released, or (b) from what little they've heard, these people are convinced that the movie is going to be a disaster. Anyone who suggests that it's best to wait, or that the people who are consistently griping about the movie are simply being pessimistic to the point of headache-inducing repitition, is called "narrow minded" or told to "shut up." On the flip side, there's also been a lot of Tom Welling bashing going around, when quite honestly it's a dead subject and shouldn't be used to start flame wars in this thread (that goes for all parties on both sides).

Look, I have no idea what this movie is going to be like. I know that I love the original "Superman: The Movie." I love the character. And he's been out of sight for too long. I'm staying positive that the movie will be a fun and sweeping moviegoing experience that will hopefully make us all feel like kids again, even if it's just for two hours.

As Zo says, there's nothing wrong with that.

Keep your collective chins up. Singer is a good director, and his writers are quite capable.

As for Brandon Routh -- again, there's no way of telling what he'll be like. We've heard that he loves the character (Spacey), that he's been working out like a demon and has a ripped body (Batgirl), and that he gave a great series of auditions. Again, I'm going to do the smart thing here -- and I guess it comes down to three little words:

Wait and see.

If the movie comes out and you hate it, then you can let loose with all the cannons firing. But until then, give it a rest.

 

[Saint]

I'll certainly agree that there is a lot of narrow-mindedness on these boards--from both camps. A chunk of the Routh supporters have already branded him as the ultimate Superman of all-time, and those against him constantly conjure up thin reasons as to why he'll be the lamest person to ever be on screen in the history of the universe.

That said, what drives me nuts is that the negative people treat the positive people like sheep, and the positive people treat the negative people like trolls. You know--and this might come as a shock--both camps have valid points, so everybody needs to quit moaning about it. Debate is fine, but in here it always degenerates into mud-slinging.

 

[The Singularity]

A chunk of the Routh supporters have already branded him as the ultimate Superman of all-time

You mean like Bale being the ultimate Batman of all time...

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

fact this movie won't beat spiderman. it just has too much going against it

fact Routh will never be immortalized as superman, not when reeve passed away less than a year and half of the movies premire.

fact Routh will never be in the same league as Reeve

Fact Routh's acting career ends with superman.for the simple reason as did reeve's.

FACT! Everything you have stated as FACT, is in FACT opinion. Hypothosis, Theory, prediction, A hunch, An Educated guess, Pure speculation, YES!.... BUT IT IS NOT FACT!

 

[Thunder Emperor]

FACT! Everything you have stated as FACT, is in FACT opinion. Hypothosis, Theory, prediction, A hunch, An Educated guess, Pure speculation, YES!.... BUT IT IS NOT FACT!

specular that will be a fact, come 2006

 

[Saint]

You mean like Bale being the ultimate Batman of all time...

No. There's a huge difference there, because Christian Bale is an experienced actor, whose acting can be viewed in a slew of roles and a slew of films. We've even seen him act in roles that are somewhat Batman-esque (John Preston, anyone?). Moreover, we've seen him as Bruce Wayne and as Batman in both pictures AND footage. You see, there is reasonable basis for people to make assumptions about Bale's performance.

Routh, however, has only been seen in old pictures and miniscule parts that provide little opportunity for him to demonstrate anything we can judge. As such, it's silly to say "Routh will kick ass" or "Routh will suck" because there's simply no information to base that on. With Christian Bale, that is not the case.

And in any case, I don't see how the bat-fan opinion of Christian Bale has anything to do with the Super-fan opinion of Routh.

 

[Lone]

Fact - people who answer stupid posts with even stupider ones, look worse than the original poster....

Wow! Fortune cookie wisdom!! So that makes you the biggest idiot for replying to my post?

In other news:
We should all hope this movie does well for Superman's sake above all else. Even though I find myself having doubts, I still hope it scores well. The character has been shat upon for long enough, a popular move along with an already popular TV series would be welcomed

Like I said:

You're not a Superman fan if you're hoping this movie will fail just because your choice actor didn't get the role.

 

[Lone]

fact is this is just a dumb post,and you are dumb to post such a reply

You're admitting your own stupidity...that's progress.

fact if you read my original post I said this movie will not surpass the original spider, i never said it would bomb in the box office. those are two different statements.

You've been saying this movie would bomb ever since you registered.

the last stetment I won't even comment. its like me say i t hink Routh is sucking of Singer, so please don't insult me.

You have insinuated that on previous occasions.

final fact I don't need to prove my love for the character to you or anyone else.

Yeah...you can't anyway.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

You're admitting your own stupidity...that's progress.



You've been saying this movie would bomb ever since you registered.



You have insinuated that on previous occasions.



Yeah...you can't anyway.

i always said, that i don't think this movie will do to welll as expected, never said it will bomb. like i siad two different things are never the same.


also it wasn't my statement that was stupid.it was your dumb reply



who theh ell are you to open your mouth and expect me to prove anything to your lame ass.

 

[The Sage]

i always said, that i don't think this movie will do to welll as expected, never said it will bomb. like i siad two different things are never the same.

But you do hope it does...

 

[Lone]

i always said, that i don't think this movie will do to welll as expected, never said it will bomb. like i siad two different things are never the same.


also it wasn't my statement that was stupid.it was your dumb reply

What was your statement again?

fact this movie won't beat spiderman. it just has too much going against it

fact Routh will never be immortalized as superman, not when reeve passed away less than a year and half of the movies premire.

fact Routh will never be in the same league as Reeve

Fact Routh's acting career ends with superman.for the simple reason as did reeve's.

Spouting that crap from your Welling-worshipping mind and saying it as a fact ranks pretty high on the stupidity list.

And as a joke, it's not even funny.

Hell, you're a bigger joke than that.

who theh ell are you to open your mouth and expect me to prove anything to your lame ass.

I think it's safe to say that anyone who hopes this movie fails sure as hell ain't a fan of the character.

Remember the times you PMed me? Remember all the advice I gave you? Judging from your posts, I think not. Ever the delusional dumbass.

Well, look at it this way, at least all your idiotic rants are making you spell better.



























Not really. And I'm dropping this before this thread gets killed.

 

[Superman4ever]

I hate the idea of Routh, and I cringed at the idea of Welling (Thank G-d we dodged that bullet, among many others…Smallvillians need to face the fact that he’s a crap actor), but I've decided to put my feelings aside and SUPPORT THE HELL out of this movie. This is SUPERMAN, not a movie about Routh [or another name you please] and it's about a character I LOVE, and have done so unrelentingly since I was three. Yeah, Spider-man was OK, so were the X-men and Batman, but they all PALE in comparison to my Superman - always and forever! I know this movie will score HUGE, it’s Superman! He's etched in the worlds' consciousness, unlike any other. June 30, 2006...a man with clouds between his knees…It’s about time! I say bring of the X-men or any other would be stooge, just bring it.


We have great actors, a determined production company and a studio that’s been wanting this time in history for a long time!

 

[ohmshalone]

Passing by and thought I'd mention something you guys might be interested in....

I showed a girl (who obviously isn't a comics-nut, but like everyone else in the world, she has a sub-conscious idea of what the general superman looks like) the pic of brandon routh standing against that grey wall (in the official press release on this website). She replied, "Woah! If Superman was real, that's what he'd look like."

So I think that's a VERY good sign of the public's reaction to routh. Let me know what you think

EDIT: sorry, if I can truly recall the quote, it was "that's REALLY what he'd look like"

 

[The Sage]

Nice.

 

[Lara]

I can't believe everyone is still arguing about Welling sigh......