The Official Budget & Box Office Thread

[Karea07]

Yep that is her... she is a hottie!

 

[kamaldhamal2007]

Yep that is her... she is a hottie!

are you from india or u just know her??

did you watch DHOOM 2.

You should if you haven't because she rocked in it!!!!

 

[Karea07]

i just know of her... saw her on 60 minutes last year and was mesmerised (sp)

yeah, i did watch that movie. few other white people were there too, so i didnt feel weird there was also one black girl representin too! haha

 

[Danny No-Shame]

I think there are enough comicbook geeks and sci-fi nerds on planet Earth to keep WB and Jon Peters in business for a very long time. See you in the queue suckers

 

[Road Warrior]

I think there are enough comicbook geeks and sci-fi nerds on planet Earth to keep WB and Jon Peters in business for a very long time. See you in the queue suckers

Maybe.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I disagree that you can't do a Superman remake well. Bond is remade all the time, Batman the best yet in the latest remake, Spiderman now is apparently to go onmto a 4, 5 and 6th film but that will mean a remake of sorts as a new younger actor will have to be brought in to replace Toby probably as soon as Spidey 4 and no later than 5.

The problem with trying to copy/requel S: TM is that you can't go home. it is never as good as you remember it, it is never as perfect as you once thought.

The only proper way to have handled this was, IMO, do a totally new take - does not have to be an origin story.

Singer's problem in casting Routh was that he went for someone who looked like Reeve, but Reeve's greatness was more his persona, charisma, presence. That is what Singer should have looked for in the new actor - a Reeve-like presence as opposed to a physical look.

Singer should have made this his film. He should have become the Donner to today's generation.

Brandon Routh has a great Presence, he did a really good job with the part. As far as Singer being this generations Dick Donner, no offense but Donner's made some fun movie but he's mad a couple of real stinkers(Timeline and Ladyhawke spring to mind) So don't hold Donner up as the Holy Grail of Film making. Bryan Singers track record is alot better.

The problem with alot of people here is that they're comparing Superman Returns to STM and complaining because it wasn't as good. I think it was , But that's neither here or there. The point I'm making is your comparing it to a movie most us saw for the first time when were were 5- 10 years old. So to quote Carlos Mencia" Of course you thik the old movies were better, you saw hem when you were 10 Years old... Everythings better when you're 10!"
No one who has a negative opinion has yet to judge the movie on it's own merits, I've been paying attention. When ever there's a complaint it's because they're comparing it to STM, which would have happened with ANY take that would have been done by any director.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I doubt a sequel will be able to make much more than SR did. Too much baggage - its the batman and Robin syndrome which hurt BB's box office.

WB should follow what they are doing with the Hulk. Re-starting and doing everything they can to distance themselves from the Hulk from 2003 cause that studio knows an association could be a real killer.

No way do I see an SR sequel being able to overcome the bad buzz - its a very untenable situation to be in and one has to think some of the suits at WB realize this.

The Difference is SR Made more money, was better reviewed and did better in general than the Hulk. The WB is happy with the results, So much so that Singer has already dropped out of Logan's Run to work on the sequel, which he signed to do a few months back. Every non fan that I talk on a n almost daily basis, the moment they find out I draw comics they want to talk about SR. You'd be suprised at the reactions,They really liked it. The only people who have problems with the movie are die hard geeks. Frankly there just aren't enough of them in the world to make Warner bros. go in another direction.

 

[GreenKToo]

^ your right...just not enough people hated S.R. to force W.B. to go in another direction,and really the only place I see hate for it is here.Even the people I know that didnt love it, didnt really hate it.Their biggest gripe was a lack of a supervillian, and that is being taken care of in the sequel.

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

This movie wont make more than the first, but the budget will surely be less than the first films, so it should make a profit.

The sequel will be lucky to make 120million with all the bad buzz, and how badly the first one turned out.
And given the news that the new movie will have a smaller bidget, and smaller running time.
All that spells doom for the sequel.

Maybe they should pull the plug on it now before they lose more money!

 

[DavidTyler]

Brandon Routh has a great Presence, he did a really good job with the part. As far as Singer being this generations Dick Donner, no offense but Donner's made some fun movie but he's mad a couple of real stinkers(Timeline and Ladyhawke spring to mind) So don't hold Donner up as the Holy Grail of Film making. Bryan Singers track record is alot better.

I don't.

The problem with alot of people here is that they're comparing Superman Returns to STM .....................................................................................................................When ever there's a complaint it's because they're comparing it to STM, which would have happened with ANY take that would have been done by any director.

That's complete and utter nonsense. These boards are filled with people who have been judging SR on it's own merits or the lack there of.

There have been a lot of inciteful negative reviews on these boards of this movie that have very little to do with Donner or his original film.

You do your fellow posters a grave disservice by dismissing their opinions as those of the uninformed and unable to formulate an opinion on their own.

And just to refute your typecasting - I was never a big fan of the first Donner movie. It's a comedy for the most part. I knew that when I was a kid seeing it for the first time.

I've seen a lot of interpretations of Superman and the only one that even comes close for me is the Timm/Dini version from the animated series. Singer's interpretation just misses the mark on a lot of levels for me. His Christ parallel which is nothing of the kind (hell, except for the cute savior speach and that falling to Earth in a crucifixion pose, there's no parallel at all). His 'returning to a world that's moved on without him - will they accept him back?' is a joke. No one except Lois has any issue with him being gone or being back. It was a pointless plot point. The contradictions with how the Kryptonite effects him was confusing. He lands on the island and almost immediately loses his powers yet he can come back and lift the whole island with the kryptonite growing right into his face.

And this doesn't even come close to covering all my concerns.

I did like Spacey, however. And I thought Bosworth was taking a needless beating from the fans here. She did a reasonably good job with what they gave her.

I would have liked it if they could have touched on the Ben Hubbard and Martha Kent relationship. It was definitely one of the good changes that Singer brought - unlike the kid.

 

[DavidTyler]

BTW, I was much more pleased with Donner's cut of Superman II than I was his original movie ... and that puts it quite far ahead of SR.

 

[lexlives]

Sadly, Superman's problem is not all SR or Singer or Routh or writing. It goes beyond that and was there long before Singer came on board.

Sadly, and I hate that this is true, audiences and popular culture see Superman as passe or boring.

In the comic shop where I am purchasing All Star, there are virtually no "kids" buying Superman comics. I'm early 30s and the sjop owner admitted most Superman buyers are my age and older.

Prior to SR target and WalMart and the rest always carried Spiderman or X-Men or Batman toys but you were hard pressed to find a Superman toy.

So can Superman compete with the big guys on film? Frankly, I am not sure he can, The popular culture interest is just not there from what I see around me.

Not talking Spiderman as he is in a league of his own.

More X-Men, Batman and Fantastic 4. My bet is FF 2 does close to 250 million and the Batman sequel too.

Frankly I am note sure if even a perfectly executed Superman film can do that.

Has the ship sailed on the big-screen Superman?

Is it possible - how - to get Superman at least competitve with FF and Batman again?

 

[Pickle-El]

*To those who attempt to bite the bate. Keep in mind, more people paid to watch Superman Returns than both FF and BB in theatres.

 

[Jimmy, GL]

Sadly, Superman's problem is not all SR or Singer or Routh or writing. It goes beyond that and was there long before Singer came on board.

Sadly, and I hate that this is true, audiences and popular culture see Superman as passe or boring.

In the comic shop where I am purchasing All Star, there are virtually no "kids" buying Superman comics. I'm early 30s and the sjop owner admitted most Superman buyers are my age and older.

Prior to SR target and WalMart and the rest always carried Spiderman or X-Men or Batman toys but you were hard pressed to find a Superman toy.

So can Superman compete with the big guys on film? Frankly, I am not sure he can, The popular culture interest is just not there from what I see around me.

Not talking Spiderman as he is in a league of his own.

More X-Men, Batman and Fantastic 4. My bet is FF 2 does close to 250 million and the Batman sequel too.

Frankly I am note sure if even a perfectly executed Superman film can do that.

Has the ship sailed on the big-screen Superman?

Is it possible - how - to get Superman at least competitve with FF and Batman again?

Completely possible. The reasons you say about Superman being unpopular is because of one reason and one only. He's been out of the picture. Batman has been more popular because he's had more and better movies. The same can be said for Spiderman, FF, Hulk, even Ghostrider. The reason that everyone thinks Superman is boring and still do is for the same reason as in SR. People don't think they need him. What the movie was supposed to do was what Spiderman, X-Men, FF, and DareDevil did. Reintroduce the character in a fresh new way and make him popular again among both comic book fans and movie fans alike. Sadly this didn't happen. Somehow they managed to do it with Smallville but they can't do it in a movie yet. Strange.

 

[dark_b]

i will tell you something. people on the earth when see superman they think of epic big action. so if you have a lot of action you make a lot of money.

200 milions and they say that they dint have enough money for more action?

 

[Brainiac 2009]

Superman will never be as popular as it once was in todays generation. We, as a society, prefer the complex heroes or anti-heroes that are dark or freaks of society.

Singer partially tried to rework Superman into an isolated figure in SR and while it got critical praise, it isolated the old school fans who see Superman as this perfect moral beacon of hope from an America that once was.

If Singer restores Superman to the Alex Ross-like classic vision that alot of comic book fans see Superman as for the sequel, it may make him alot less interesting compared to the darker grittier heroes we have today.

Superman will never phase out completely because hes so fundemental as the basis for what a superhero is in a classical sense but we cant expect a character of such classic American values to stand as tall as he once did in today's controversial wartorn and imperfect world.

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

Sadly, Superman's problem is not all SR or Singer or Routh or writing. It goes beyond that and was there long before Singer came on board.

Sadly, and I hate that this is true, audiences and popular culture see Superman as passe or boring.

In the comic shop where I am purchasing All Star, there are virtually no "kids" buying Superman comics. I'm early 30s and the sjop owner admitted most Superman buyers are my age and older.

Prior to SR target and WalMart and the rest always carried Spiderman or X-Men or Batman toys but you were hard pressed to find a Superman toy.

So can Superman compete with the big guys on film? Frankly, I am not sure he can, The popular culture interest is just not there from what I see around me.

Not talking Spiderman as he is in a league of his own.

More X-Men, Batman and Fantastic 4. My bet is FF 2 does close to 250 million and the Batman sequel too.

Frankly I am note sure if even a perfectly executed Superman film can do that.

Has the ship sailed on the big-screen Superman?

Is it possible - how - to get Superman at least competitve with FF and Batman again?

A movie with the right cast, right director, and a great story would be bigger then both Pirate movies, and both Spiderman movies!
SR Just wasn't good on any level, and that's why it flopped...

 

[superbaby]

Sadly, Superman's problem is not all SR or Singer or Routh or writing. It goes beyond that and was there long before Singer came on board.

Sadly, and I hate that this is true, audiences and popular culture see Superman as passe or boring.

In the comic shop where I am purchasing All Star, there are virtually no "kids" buying Superman comics. I'm early 30s and the sjop owner admitted most Superman buyers are my age and older.

Prior to SR target and WalMart and the rest always carried Spiderman or X-Men or Batman toys but you were hard pressed to find a Superman toy.

So can Superman compete with the big guys on film? Frankly, I am not sure he can, The popular culture interest is just not there from what I see around me.

Not talking Spiderman as he is in a league of his own.

More X-Men, Batman and Fantastic 4. My bet is FF 2 does close to 250 million and the Batman sequel too.

Frankly I am note sure if even a perfectly executed Superman film can do that.

Has the ship sailed on the big-screen Superman?

Is it possible - how - to get Superman at least competitve with FF and Batman again?

a good writer. and a good director. unfortunately, superman has neither.
i still believe people today appreciate goodness and virtues.

 

[El Payaso]

Big B.O. hits in movies have never needed good writers or directors or actors, they need mindless action and cool music.

 

[SatEL]

Sadly, Superman's problem is not all SR or Singer or Routh or writing. It goes beyond that and was there long before Singer came on board.

Sadly, and I hate that this is true, audiences and popular culture see Superman as passe or boring.

In the comic shop where I am purchasing All Star, there are virtually no "kids" buying Superman comics. I'm early 30s and the sjop owner admitted most Superman buyers are my age and older.

Prior to SR target and WalMart and the rest always carried Spiderman or X-Men or Batman toys but you were hard pressed to find a Superman toy.

So can Superman compete with the big guys on film? Frankly, I am not sure he can, The popular culture interest is just not there from what I see around me.

Not talking Spiderman as he is in a league of his own.

More X-Men, Batman and Fantastic 4. My bet is FF 2 does close to 250 million and the Batman sequel too.

Frankly I am note sure if even a perfectly executed Superman film can do that.

Has the ship sailed on the big-screen Superman?

Is it possible - how - to get Superman at least competitve with FF and Batman again?

Bull**** if done properly superman could have returned with a bang.

 

[SatEL]

A movie with the right cast, right director, and a great story would be bigger then both Pirate movies, and both Spiderman movies!
SR Just wasn't good on any level, and that's why it flopped...

Very very true all thats needed is the right team who have a clue about the character Superman.

 

[El Payaso]

A movie with the right cast, right director, and a great story would be bigger then both Pirate movies, and both Spiderman movies!
SR Just wasn't good on any level, and that's why it flopped...

Bigger as in what? Moneymaking? You don't need a great story for that.

 

[SatEL]

Bigger as in what? Moneymaking? You don't need a great story for that.

Somtimes action action action isnt the key in terms of doing big numbers at the box office a good director would be able to find a medium, Spielberg or Jackson are capable of such tasks if Singer isnt up to it.

 

[matthooper]

Sequels generally make less than the orignals. There are a few exceptions.

However, looking at comic book franchises, Spider-man made 403 million domestic and SM2 made 373 million domestic. Batman made more than Batman Returns, MIB made more than MIBII. However, since Superman Reurns was a huge dissapointment, any sequel might have a good chance of making more if the marketing is done right. Singer's X-2 made more than X-Men, so it's possible. The problem is, no one cares about Superman Returns or a sequel. I'm not talking about the fans on the board, obviously they care. But the general public is not clammering for a sequel, they are pretty apathetic.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Big B.O. hits in movies have never needed good writers or directors or actors, they need mindless action and cool music.

NEVER? I could see if you said doesn't always. But NEVER?

James Cameron would bit-ch slap you to no tomorrow if he heard that.