First Avenger The Official Captain America Critic's Review Thread - Part 2

[Godman]

You're bringing TDK into this...sigh.

why not, it got the Comic Book genre right as it left the hokey poke on the cutting room floor and brought us the dramatic fleshed out realm that comic books derive from to begin with rather than the biff pow era marvel seem to be reviving smh. I expect high quality film making...not generic. Thats why i use TDK, because it set a high standard in which i now expect from all adaptations and if i dont get that i will not be satisfied nor act it

 

[roach]

why not, it got the Comic Book genre right as it left the hokey poke on the cutting room floor and brought us the dramatic fleshed out realm that comic books derive from to begin with rather than the biff pow era marvel seem to be reviving smh. I expect high quality film making...not generic. Thats why i use TDK, because it set a high standard in which i now expect from all adaptations and if i dont get that i will not be satisfied nor act it

oh one of those

 

[Godman]

cause captain america was fighting for the allies and the Skull was working for the Nazi's....do you need it spelled out what makes one evil when they are a Nazi?

why are the nazi's evil in this movie? we were not given a reasoning as to why, and we were not given a reason as to why skull had no loyalty to hitler and why he would turn on his own country as such...why???!!! no dynamis whatsoever.

so if Cap America happened to be Captain germany the americans would have been the evil ones? these are the arcs that i need to be explored within two hours and not a collage meshup of mediocre sequences that add nothing to the character development

 

[chiefchirpa]

The ending is one of the more genuinely emotional moments i've seen in a CBM.

I think Thor's ending is emotional too when Loki falls down and Jane stares blankly into the sky. I hope Iron Man 3 ending won't be as emo. It would be jarring to see Tony Stark goes emo.

 

[Godman]

again have you read a Captain America comic???

I shouldnt have to. I went to watch a film and not a comic book. I never read one lord of the rings book, nor ever read an ironman book, but they seemed to have gotten their message across without CAMP!!!!

 

[captainrogers]

I'm glad this movie had "Camp".
It was the tone I wanted. Like classic Indiana Jones.
My opinion. It was well done. The character calls for it.
If anything, my only complaint was that the movie was too short.

 

[shogunrua]

why are the nazi's evil in this movie? we were not given a reasoning as to why, and we were not given a reason as to why skull had no loyalty to hitler and why he would turn on his own country as such...why???!!! no dynamis whatsoever.

so if Cap America happened to be Captain germany the americans would have been the evil ones? these are the arcs that i need to be explored within two hours and not a collage meshup of mediocre sequences that add nothing to the character development

I stopped reading after this one sentence

 

[Godman]

cause captain america was fighting for the allies and the Skull was working for the Nazi's....do you need it spelled out what makes one evil when they are a Nazi?

really he trained in boot camp to become as good as james bond in combat or as slick as any free runner? really? thats what u saw in boot camp? i saw him ****ing up all the time besides the flag, which was no skill about it.

Gosh debating fan boys kills me. Superman is an ALIEN and we do not understand the dynamics of his powers as they are alien and we cant argue with what we dont understand.

Captain america is just a slightly enhanced human who like any other marksman, would have to train vigorously in order to pull of the angles etc with his shield and also on earth we understand METAL as its a solid that does not have RUBBER bounce qualities, so how was metal able to bounce of metal at such high speeds and come back to cap am? bullets ricochet, and that would be some robocop calculations or something to make the bullets bounce precisely to hit a target after the bounce, so how did captain america make that sheilld bounce off surfaces and come right back??? when did he train to do this? Hell, even the XMEN trained and spent a good time doing so...i dont recall the experiment in CA coming with a skill set. smh

 

[TheVileOne]

CBMovie, our site goes through some down periods really late at night. It will come back eventually . I think it is like a daily maitenance routine.

Also, NewsCorp. is a big multimedia conglomerate. They own all of Fox TV, 20th Century Fox, and a lot of newspapers in the UK. One newspaper is now being accused of hacking into phones of people and apparently 9/11 victims which is why the story is getting even more attention here in the US. Rupert Murdoch was called to speak before Parliament on the accusations as he's the head honcho.

But I mean for example, some time ago a NY Times journalist named Jaysen Blair was caught falsifying stories for the paper. So I mean, this was the only instance that was brought to light. If NY Times published fake stories here how do we know they didn't do it before?

I think my basic point is, we should scrutinize the credibility of the sort. We shouldn't believe or take everything we see at face value. And there is a paper trail where we have to follow the money. It is no secret why a POS movie like Catwoman of all things gets a cover story in EW. Everyone smelled a turd on that one but it still got a big cover story. Not only that, the reviewer of the movie gave it a B- grade even though the review was deemed "ROTTEN" by Rotten Tomatoes and the content didn't really suggest a B- rating. Also let me clarify that Catwoman came out in 2004, this was well before the Time Warner buyout of RT.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

lol comparing TDK to any origin story, the whole reason the Joker got so much development time was because they didn't have to explain how Batman came to be.

 

[roach]

why are the nazi's evil in this movie? we were not given a reasoning as to why, and we were not given a reason as to why skull had no loyalty to hitler and why he would turn on his own country as such...why???!!! no dynamis whatsoever.

so if Cap America happened to be Captain germany the americans would have been the evil ones? these are the arcs that i need to be explored within two hours and not a collage meshup of mediocre sequences that add nothing to the character development

I am sorry you didnt like the film...however I dont see any need to continue the discussion as it will both get us no where...good day

 

[captainrogers]

I stopped reading after this one sentence

I continued on just outta morbid curiousity. But, hey, this movie won't be for everyone.
I went in expecting CAPTAIN AMERICA.
SOME seem to go in expecting a certain other character.
I got a good movie that just happened to gel with a vibe of Indy. I won't expect all my CBMs to conform to the Bat,only those characters that call for it.
And Nazis were just.....bad in general. Just, take our word for it, k?

 

[Spideyfan93]

How much ******* exposition do you want in these movies?!

Yeah, let's have a 5 minute scene showing how Dum Dum grew his famous stache...

 

[Liam_H]

I am sorry you didnt like the film...however I dont see any need to continue the discussion as it will both get us no where...good day

Shouldn't you guys be having your little back and forth in the fan review thread? But it appears to be over by now so whatevers.

 

[Godman]

I stopped reading after this one sentence

enlightened people see all perspectives of every war and understand them. may not agree, but one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. learn to see beyond cliche ideals formulated by ur governments for their own personal war benefits. Its the devil god complex...satan actually tells more tuth in the bible than god himself, also satan is a revolutionary who is freeing the angels from slavery of the highest dictator.

just a perspective. I was given a paper once to write from hitler's perspective without p painting him evil and it was tough until i learned the point of the home work. understand EACH side of the story and why who does what when they do it. I understood why the joker did what he did. it was all clearly explained and drilled into our heads as was the villain in watchmen. the best villins are those who dont consider themselves villains, but see the hero as the bad guy. those are some SCARY villains.


hitler thought he was liberating germany and in essence he did...i mean he created social security lol...

 

[TheVileOne]

CBMovie, there might be nothing to your story. However, there is nothing wrong with scrutinizing and testing Rotten Tomatoes.

We should scrutinize them now that they are under ownership of their Time Warner masters. If you have time, I'd say follow the story and even post an update regarding their Tweets. It is clear they have taken notice of your story. Also, as I said earlier, the folks at Marvel also have. I mentioned the story to both producers (Feige and D'Esposito) and they both knew the story and had read it. So they are following it as well.

 

[roach]

Shouldn't you guys be having your little back and forth in the fan review thread? But it appears to be over by now so whatevers.

I apologize....my bad

 

[Hiraga]

I would just like to say that I'm incredibly excited to see this movie. It's my most anticipated movie of the year, and I'm sure I'm going to love it to death!

Nice to finally join these boards, I've been a frequent visitor for quite a long time now!

 

[shogunrua]

lol comparing TDK to any origin story, the whole reason the Joker got so much development time was because they didn't have to explain how Batman came to be.

what character development ? I thought that what made Joker such a nice character was that he lacks character completely, he just "do" things like he says he's more like a force of nature, an "agent of chaos", that made him completely unpredictable and dangerous. But why does he do what he does? what's his motivation besides just a nice challenge? I didn't see any of that in that movie.

TDK is a really nicely made movie, but no it didn't set any standard for the superhero genre, or maybe just the realistic angle hollywood so much thrives on these days. I think the grandfather of the superhero genre is Donner's Superman. By the way, TDK is full of inconsistencies.

Anway, I can't wait to see Cap

 

[Spideyfan93]

enlightened people see all perspectives of every war and understand them. may not agree, but one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. learn to see beyond cliche ideals formulated by ur governments for their own personal war benefits. Its the devil god complex...satan actually tells more tuth in the bible than god himself, also satan is a revolutionary who is freeing the angels from slavery of the highest dictator.

just a perspective. I was given a paper once to write from hitler's perspective without p painting him evil and it was tough until i learned the point of the home work. understand EACH side of the story and why who does what when they do it. I understood why the joker did what he did. it was all clearly explained and drilled into our heads as was the villain in watchmen. the best villins are those who dont consider themselves villains, but see the hero as the bad guy. those are some SCARY villains.


hitler thought he was liberating germany and in essence he did...i mean he created social security lol...

Ok, you're looking too far into it now.

 

[Godman]

I continued on just outta morbid curiousity. But, hey, this movie won't be for everyone.
I went in expecting CAPTAIN AMERICA.
SOME seem to go in expecting a certain other character.
I got a good movie that just happened to gel with a vibe of Indy. I won't expect all my CBMs to conform to the Bat,only those characters that call for it.
And Nazis were just.....bad in general. Just, take our word for it, k?

take ur word for nazis being bad like how people took obamas and bushes word about the evil iraq people who didnt ask to be invaded and got bombed for oil and called terrorists when in essence they werent the ones dropping tons of ammo and bombs in foreign countries? lol

i know why the nazis were considered bad, but i also see the same reasons in ALL regimes that think their cause is righteous just like AMERICA.

red skull was germanies weapon and cap am was americas. who is to say one is right and one is wrong? both sides are fighting for victory over the other no matter the methods.

 

[Godman]

Ok, you're looking too far into it now.

probably what they told chris nolan when he pitched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight...WB saw that people are capable of a lil thinking here and there too...not just seat fillers from snazzy trailers.

 

[Hiraga]

take ur word for nazis being bad like how people took obamas and bushes word about the evil iraq people who didnt ask to be invaded and got bombed for oil and called terrorists when in essence they werent the ones dropping tons of ammo and bombs in foreign countries? lol

i know why the nazis were considered bad, but i also see the same reasons in ALL regimes that think their cause is righteous just like AMERICA.

red skull was germanies weapon and cap am was americas. who is to say one is right and one is wrong? both sides are fighting for victory over the other no matter the methods.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

what character development ? I thought that what made Joker such a nice character was that he lacks character completely, he just "do" things like he says he's more like a force of nature, an "agent of chaos", that made him completely unpredictable and dangerous. But why does he do what he does? what's his motivation besides just a nice challenge? I didn't see any of that in that movie.

TDK is a really nicely made movie, but no it didn't set any standard for the superhero genre, or maybe just the realistic angle hollywood so much thrives on these days. I think the grandfather of the superhero genre is Donner's Superman. By the way, TDK is full of inconsistencies.

Anway, I can't wait to see Cap

when i say character development i mean all the time they were able to focus on him and his crazy games. A luxury only afforded because we didn't have Batman's origin to worry about

 

[Herolee10]

This is going to be a long night..lol

What's funny is that I just realized, most our posts would fit more better in the "Regular Review" thread instead of the critics one.lol