First Avenger The Official Captain America Box Office Thread! - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

He can tell the difference, he just recognizes that it's entirely subjective. You not liking the idea of Green Lantern doesn't make it a damn bit sillier than a guy with spider powers, a guy who stretches or a man who turns big and green when he's angry.

For the love of Christ knock off this stupid Marvel vs DC ********. It's posters like you who are part of the problem. You are the one who needs help. Grow up.

If this were facebook, I would like this post

 

[hatebox]

This was always going to make more money overseas than domestically, but the lack of overseas performance relative to other movies shows that foreigners (in particular, western Europe) have an anti-american bias.

TFA made more than Thor in several markets, but in Western Europe, Cap basically performed like Green Lantern. .

Europe's generally pretty indifferent to comic book movies anyway - that Cap was the 4th of the summer didn't help.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Shadowlord, I happen to agree with your opinion on GL, and I was just being sarcastic with my POV. But, what might sound silly to us might be cool to someone else. Power rings are not my thing. But others don't care for shields that bounce around and take out a number of bad guys, always returning to its thrower. We suspend disbelief for the things that catch our imagination.

I apologize for offending any GL fans out there. Sarcasm and friendly ribbing doesn't come through too well on the internet.

Dude, I'm not trying to be offensive to people or create MARVEL vs DC tension. I am, however, a great supporter of facing reality. Had people faced reality, noone would ever thought that certain characters would do well as a live film.

But for me the topic is done; I'm perfectly happy leaving people to wallow in their ignorance

 

[marcvader]

Nice last line to end a discussion. You're a class act.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

He can tell the difference, he just recognizes that it's entirely subjective. You not liking the idea of Green Lantern doesn't make it a damn bit sillier than a guy with spider powers, a guy who stretches or a man who turns big and green when he's angry.

For the love of Christ knock off this stupid Marvel vs DC ********. It's posters like you who are part of the problem. You are the one who needs help. Grow up.

This.

To whoever says GL can't work in movies is seriously lacking in imagination (keep in mind that this is my opinion). It could work, and the biggest problems weren't the character itself, but other things.

Captain America was a character that was created in the 40s (before the popular version of the Green Lantern) and is a successful character that's had a successful movie today. Saying that DC characters are outdated is ridiculous.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dude, I'm not trying to be offensive to people or create MARVEL vs DC tension. I am, however, a great supporter of facing reality. Had people faced reality, noone would ever thought that certain characters would do well as a live film.

But for me the topic is done; I'm perfectly happy leaving people to wallow in their ignorance

Time for me to do work...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He can blow it off and act innocent all he wants, all you have to do is scroll through his post history for a bit and the anti-DC pattern emerges. He's like that all the time.

 

[The Morningstar]

I honestly don't understand the Marvel vs DC thing. It's two corporations at the end of the day. Why show some kind of obsessive loyalty to them? They don't give a **** about us, apart from our $$$ £££.

Good comics are good comics, whether they are from DC, Marvel, Image or whatever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He can blow it off and act innocent all he wants, all you have to do is scroll through his post history for a bit and the anti-DC pattern emerges. He's like that all the time.

Like I said with the whole Marvel/DC thing. People may think their opinion is right on which is better and that is fine, but disrespectful trolling is not something I tolerate and people who continue to do this, like Shadowlord up here, will be punished

 

[TheVileOne]

It really has nothing to do with that. The International film market is just bigger than the domestic one; big blockbusters this summer averaged 60-70% of their total gross outside of the United States.

This was never going to do as little money overseas as people on this board thought it would. This was always going to make more money overseas than domestically, but the lack of overseas performance relative to other movies shows that foreigners (in particular, western Europe) have an anti-american bias.

TFA made more than Thor in several markets, but in Western Europe, Cap basically performed like Green Lantern. If I was part of the marketing team for Cap 2, I think I'd focus on growing the markets where Cap performed well. Cap 1 was sort of testing the waters to figure out where they could make money internationally. They should try to get The U.S.A. upto $200 M+, and get 30-50% bumps in South America and Asia, and Cap 2 will be fine.

I think Bryn does have a good point there. I think there is a lot to be said with how uncomfortable Hollywood is with American patriotism and characters like Captain America.

THE FIRST AVENGER subtitle is proof of that. It was unnecessary and quite frankly doesn't really even make any sense. Captain America isn't really THE FIRST AVENGER, it was sort of a tacky title.

Even Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes writer/producer Josh Fine talked about doing a focus group for the Avengers cartoon and a British kid said he didn't like Captain America because the kid said he "hates America." So that went into part of why Iron Man was the leader and more featured character over Captain America in the cartoon.

There was a lot going against Cap this summer as well. I think if they do a Cap sequel, the campaign needs to be more sure of itself and stop worrying about the patriotic aspect. And don't be afraid to use Memorial Day weekend/4th of July weekend, I mean why wouldn't you want the man who wears the American flag released on on weekends like that? I don't get why Michael Bay of all people gets that spot and for some reason his military infomercials are fine and he makes gajillions but people seem clueless and scared to their gills over how to deal with Captain America. Something isn't working with this formula to me.

 

[Liam_H]

Transformers gets the spot because its proven to rake it in during that time frame, which it did once again. No reason to mess with that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Bryn does have a good point there. I think there is a lot to be said with how uncomfortable Hollywood is with American patriotism and characters like Captain America.

THE FIRST AVENGER subtitle is proof of that. It was unnecessary and quite frankly doesn't really even make any sense. Captain America isn't really THE FIRST AVENGER, it was sort of a tacky title.

Even Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes writer/producer Josh Fine talked about doing a focus group for the Avengers cartoon and a British kid said he didn't like Captain America because the kid said he "hates America." So that went into part of why Iron Man was the leader and more featured character over Captain America in the cartoon.

There was a lot going against Cap this summer as well. I think if they do a Cap sequel, the campaign needs to be more sure of itself and stop worrying about the patriotic aspect. And don't be afraid to use Memorial Day weekend/4th of July weekend, I mean why wouldn't you want the man who wears the American flag released on on weekends like that? I don't get why Michael Bay of all people gets that spot and for some reason his military infomercials are fine and he makes gajillions but people seem clueless and scared to their gills over how to deal with Captain America. Something isn't working with this formula to me.

Tranformers made a ton of bank, so Paramount was likely right to put that in the July 4th spot over Cap. It was more of a guaranteed money maker.

 

[Marvel]

Saw it again today for the last time in regular theatres. It's still playing near me. Kind of sad but it's the perfect way to spend the last day of summer. The summer of Marvel is officially over and what a great three picture ride we all enjoyed.

 

[BigThor]

THE FIRST AVENGER subtitle is proof of that. It was unnecessary and quite frankly doesn't really even make any sense. Captain America isn't really THE FIRST AVENGER, it was sort of a tacky title.

Yeah, I've always wondered why they call Cap the First Avenger since Thor was alive centuries before Cap was even thought of.

Even Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes writer/producer Josh Fine talked about doing a focus group for the Avengers cartoon and a British kid said he didn't like Captain America because the kid said he "hates America." So that went into part of why Iron Man was the leader and more featured character over Captain America in the cartoon.

Actually once came became an Avengers member in A:EMH, Cap, Iron Man, and Thor were pretty much equally featured (Cap and Iron Man a bit more).

He also had his fair share of leadership moments in the episode that made it seem like he was more of the leader than Iron Man.

 

[Bryn]

Tranformers made a ton of bank, so Paramount was likely right to put that in the July 4th spot over Cap. It was more of a guaranteed money maker.

That's right. It's all about money, really. And, as much as I suspect Hollywood is uncomfortable with American patriotism, I think if they focus grouped it and found that tons of people were tracking with it, they'd play to it. We saw a little of that besides: the whole "On July 22nd Heroes are Made In America" was playing to a domestic patriotic vibe. And I loved it. But it made them look a bit foolish after they spent a year of Joe Johnston and others downplaying the patriotism and saying Cap wasn't going to be a flag-waver. No, just a flag wearer! LOL.

But in the end, everything is about money. Now they know they have a base for Cap movies. Avengers might expand that. They'll schedule a sequel.

 

[KangConquers]

Soo...any updated charts? Cap should've crossed or should be crossing 190 M foreign by Monday. Can't wait for it to hit $200 M foreign!

 

[rashad]

soo...any updated charts? Cap should've crossed or should be crossing 190 m foreign by monday. Can't wait for it to hit $200 m foreign!

184,177,428

 

[DeGenerate10]

Any chance it passes Thor?

 

[BigThor]

Any chance it passes Thor?

None whatsoever

 

[Liam_H]

Certainly not passing WW or even domestic but essentially close enough in the latter.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well, the differences between the domestic gross are about the same or negligible really. I think arguably more people saw Cap, but they just didn't see it in 3D.

 

[marcvader]

How much more do you guys think Cap would've made had it been released in May?

 

[Liam_H]

You should specify when in May and if whether it replaces any of the big ones. If it had Thor's slot probably similar amount or maybe a bit more. But if it went up against Pirates or Hangover it would've taken a good hit.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I think it would've made much more domestically because in its second week it's biggest competition would've been Priest, not Cowboys and Aliens or Smurfs.

 

[marcvader]

You should specify when in May and if whether it replaces any of the big ones. If it had Thor's slot probably similar amount or maybe a bit more. But if it went up against Pirates or Hangover it would've taken a good hit.

So Marvel would release two movies in the same month? Obviously I meant in place of Thor. I'd guess it would've of benefited from being the first comicbook movie. That alone I think would have given it an advantage.