The Official Contest of Marvels 3 Discussion Thread

[wiegeabo]

Potential
Adam Warlock - Don't know his recent
Baron Karza - Can't really find anything on him.
Fallen One - See like just another herald. But I can't help but think there was something that made him more than just a herald when he was used in either CoM or DTL.
Her - She's just a female Adam Warlock, right?
Super Adaptoid - I don't think he has a base powerset.
Terrax - At least Surfer level. Probably more powerful, but not as skilled. And his axe is a formidable weapon. Can cut through anything, even reality.
Xemnu - Yeah, could easily be tuber. That kind of psionics and the fact you can't kill it or it'll just take over your body...I guess if you could knock it out...not sure.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'll get to the list of Keeps when I have more time.

Potential
G-Type Sounds fine, nothing impressive.
Hepzibah I'm good with keeping her.
Hobgoblin (Shi'ar) Dosn't sound like there's much to him
Smasher Sounds fine. A brick with some eye powers? Could use more info.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Potential
Fallen One - See like just another herald. But I can't help but think there was something that made him more than just a herald when he was used in either CoM or DTL.

I'm thinking the same thing. I'm more worried that he may not be defined enough to debate with or against accurately. And I don't think he was ever in the CoM, so it must have been in the DTL. In fact, I think X had him briefly in one of the first two seasons when I played.

Her - She's just a female Adam Warlock, right?

Yeah, I think so, but that's not helping much since Adam's a little hard to figure out for me as well.

Super Adaptoid - I don't think he has a base powerset.
Terrax - At least Surfer level. Probably more powerful, but not as skilled. And his axe is a formidable weapon. Can cut through anything, even reality.
Xemnu - Yeah, could easily be tuber. That kind of psionics and the fact you can't kill it or it'll just take over your body...I guess if you could knock it out...not sure.

Then I say drop all 3 of these guys.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Also note... I took Morg off of my keep list due to my remembering that he was more powerful than Silver Surfer. And I added a question about whether or not Stardust is too uber. I figure you guys can check some bios and decide on that one.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Keep

Air-Walker
Annihilus
Blastaar
Bug
Captain Marvel (Genis)
Darkhawk
Drax
Firelord
Gamora
Gladiator
Harvest
Mantis
Maxam
Moondragon - (Original Version....The dragon would be a pain in the butt to do, especially if you get a limited location where a dragon just couldn't get around.)
Morg - (Since we already have some real powerhouses in this contest, I don't see how Morg can't be in it. After all, he was beaten in past contests.)
Nova
Paibok The Power Skrull
Praxagora
Quasar (Phyla Vell)
Rocket Racoon
Ronan The Accuser
Stardust - Maybe too uber?
Star Lord (Quill)
Super Skrull
Terrax
Ultron - (Specifiy version as most recent??)
Warlock (Phalanx)
Wraith (Zak-Del)

Potential
Adam Warlock
Cosmo - (This is the dog, right? From what I read, his few appearances might not have even given us the extent of his powers. Not sure if he fits into this contest.)
Groot - (Due to size...and, my lack of interest, I don't really like him that much.)
Super Adaptoid
Xemnu

Drop
Baron Karza
Captain Universe (Gabriel Varga) - (As described, the abilities of each Captain Universe varies, and without adequate explanation of Varga's abilities, I think it would be more of a headache to fight with or against.)
Fallen One
Her
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn) - (Wendall is a mystery as to what his new abilities are, or if he's just a spirit or whatever. I say have just the one.)

Needs Moved
Clea (Other)
Baron Mordo (Other)

 

[JewishHobbit]

Keep
Moondragon - (Original Version....The dragon would be a pain in the butt to do, especially if you get a limited location where a dragon just couldn't get around.)

I'm cool with this.

Morg - (Since we already have some real powerhouses in this contest, I don't see how Morg can't be in it. After all, he was beaten in past contests.)

If we include Morg, then we'd have to include Silver Surfer, as Morg is more powerful than SS (when SS isn't his current Herald version, as he's more powerful now than ever). And that would also answer my questions on Terrax and Stardust, both being allowed in. Are we wanting to go that powerful? We'd be right back in the boat of people like Hawkeye, Spider-Man, and Punisher having absolutely no chance at all at winning this thing, and the powerhouses easily winning the first few rounds.

Ultron - (Specifiy version as most recent??)

I don't think it's necessary, but if you think it'd help lesson confusion we can go with Ultron (Phalanx).

Potential
Cosmo - (This is the dog, right? From what I read, his few appearances might not have even given us the extent of his powers. Not sure if he fits into this contest.)
Groot - (Due to size...and, my lack of interest, I don't really like him that much.)

He was fleshed out pretty well in the Secret Invasion arc of Guardians of the Galaxy. He was powerful enough to take on Adam Warlock, and then to completley take out the entirety of the Guardians and the Luminals with one mind attack. I'd say he's probably about an Emma Frost level telepath. And we all know how furocious ticked off dogs can be.

And Groot's size shouldn't be much of an issue, as we have bigger in the series, but if it's just an interest deal then we'll let W break the tie. Think Treebeard from Lord of the Rings... but cooler, and less articulate.

Some bios for W to help him break the ties.

Groot
Cosmo

Drop
Captain Universe (Gabriel Varga) - (As described, the abilities of each Captain Universe varies, and without adequate explanation of Varga's abilities, I think it would be more of a headache to fight with or against.)
Fallen One
Her
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn) - (Wendall is a mystery as to what his new abilities are, or if he's just a spirit or whatever. I say have just the one.)

I'm okay with dropping Captain Universe, Fallen One, and Her. I don't mind dropping Quasar also, but I know there's a lot of Wendall fans on the hype, so someone may actually want him. We can take him prior to his current energy form, before Annihilus killed him. Or at least put him in potential for the time being. Again, I'll let W give his opinion on this one.

 

[JewishHobbit]

So far...

Definate Keeps
Air-Walker
Annihilus
Blastaar
Bug
Captain Marvel (Genis)
Darkhawk
Drax
Firelord
Gamora
Gladiator
Harvest (Phalanx)
Mantis
Maxam
Moondragon (Human)
Nova
Paibok The Power Skrull
Praxagora
Quasar (Phyla Vell)
Rocket Racoon
Ronan The Accuser
Star Lord (Peter Quill)
Super Skrull
Ultron (Phalanx)
Warlock (Phalanx)
Wraith (Zak-Del)

Potential
Adam Warlock
Cosmo
Groot
Quasar (Wendall Vaughn)

Drop
Baron Karza
Captain Universe (Gabriel Varga)
Fallen One
Her

Still Being Debated
Morg
Red Shift - I'll add him in here as well, being that he's the only Herald not to be discussed. I kinda missed him before. I don't mind keeping him, especially if we allow the rest in.
Silver Surfer
Stardust
Terrax

 

[wiegeabo]

On the Morg question, do we want to try and set a tuber bar? Basically, find a set of character the represent top level ubers we want to let in, and bottom level tubers that we want to exclude.

May make it easier to figure out who's too powerful for the contest.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I think the Hulk is a good bar to set. If they can wave a hand and defeat the Hulk. They prolly don't belong in the tourney.

 

[wiegeabo]

Groot and Cosmo don't impress me. Although I don't see a real reason to keep them out. Keeping them on potential is cool.

I'm fine with the other decisions.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Cool. I'll definately be debating to include Groot if we need to fill a spot

Anyhow. So we're at the Heralds again. And yeah, a cap would be good.

Powerful characters that's been in question and how they relate to one another according to battles and such.

Sentry is equal to World War Hulk
World War Hulk is more powerful than normal Silver Surfer
Sentry is way more powerful than Terrax
Terrax is about level or slightly under normal Silver Surfer
Morg is more powerful than normal Silver Surfer
Current Silver Surfer is probably more powerful than all these.

So going by that (based on Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, and Silver Surfer comics), Current Silver Surfer is probably about level with World War Hulk and Sentry. I'm guessing that Thanos is probably about level with them (all his power, but he was killed simply by having his heart ripped out). Morg may be just shy of this level.

My opinion, I think they're all too uber. Sentry is the only question because his weakness is easily exploitable. Morg is questionable if they are the level we start dropping people.

Now Morg is above the normal Silver Surfer. Normal Silver Surfer, Terrax, and Stardust are about the same level. However, none of them have any notable weaknesses and could be more difficult to take out than Sentry. Others in this category may be Red Shift, Firelord, Air Walker, Dr. Strange, Savage Hulk, Nova, and Gladiator... but they all have weaknesses to exploit.


These are the power levels and about where people rank in my opinion based on what I've read. I think the initial group is too powerful, though I can be pursuaded to include the Sentry. The second group are a bit too uber for me unless they have notable weaknesses (like Nova, Gladiator, etc.). Those characters are possibly alright because even low level characters can find a way to defeat them. In my opinion, that's where the line should be. Right about that level, provided they have a notable path to defeat.

 

[POWdER-man]

I actually don't know much about the character, but I think we got rid of him due to being too uber, but if there's a version that isn't then I'm game for hearing a defense as to why he should be included. But let's wait until we debate Fantastic Four Characters. We're going alphabetically and will be doing Cosmic characters next.

I didn't notice Molecule Man in the FF section. His original incarnation would be a good addition. Inorganic molecules only and of course his mortal body is a weakness.

He was in Season one (Phaed had him) and I think he was dropped because of the unlimited potential of the character. However I did manage to convince enough people that Reed's father could beat him.....heheh

 

[JewishHobbit]

That's right. I do remember that. You're such a bullcrapper.

 

[POWdER-man]

Awww.....flattery won't get you anywhere...:heart:

 

[random_havoc]

Just reiterating my vote to keep sentry in lol (he's my fave)


Also, did anyone else find it odd that Thanos surprise weakness was that the part of his heart containing his chest was made of tissue paper?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I always did find that a bit wierd that Thanos withstood all he has, but then Drax was able to rip his hand thorugh his back and out his chest. Made for a cool scene though, that's for sure.

 

[Phaedrus45]

For some reason, I was under the assumption that Silver Surfer was in our contest, even though I should have noticed him not on the list. Yes, if Silver Surfer is in here, then I thought the others should be too. And, WWH is pretty uber; so, if we have that Hulk, then I think we should have the heralds. (Of course, you are right...all these ubers make the next level of characters almost out of it.)

 

[JewishHobbit]

So what are your thoughts on just getting rid of that level of characters? If we don't then we're back to the first season when it's just eliminating the minor characters until all these characters are in the top 8 or 16 spots. I say get rid of those characters. At most I say the next level of characters I suggested be the limit, provided they are able to be defeated by characters not of that level. (Gladiator, Nova, Firelord, etc.). Sentry's about the only upper level character (so far) that I can be convinced is alright due to his obvious flaws.

 

[wiegeabo]

So, if herald level characters are over the tuber bar, does that also eliminate WWH?

 

[Phaedrus45]

I think that would eliminate him, simply because that event made him out to be insanely uber, even not being defeated by Blackbolt speaking.

 

[JewishHobbit]

WWH brushed off Blackbolt's speaking, defeated nearly all the X-Men Universe at once, Beat down Iron Man easily (even with Hulk Buster Armor), physically beat down Strange in his astral form, beat Silver Surfer in Planet Hulk, and went toe to toe with a fully focused, full powered Sentry (though it drained him completely). That would actually make him equal to Sentry if he had no restrictions and no holding back, no weaknesses. I definately think him to be Too Uber at that point.

 

[JewishHobbit]

So we need definate opinions from you too on where the line should be. Do you agree with me or do you think it should be higher/lower?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, sounds like we've decided Uber Out! Go ahead and make the necessary deletions.

 

[Franklin Richards]

That wasn't Blackbolt.

 

[Franklin Richards]

That wasn't Blackbolt.